deca and test cycle dosage and length

[gjshivam]

my 3rd cycle
26yr 5'7'' 159lbs 10.5%bf 6years of training
test e 375mg 1-14weeks
deca 375mg 1-14 weeks
dbol 30mg 1-4 weeks
winny 30mg 12-17 weeks
ai aromasin 12.5 mg eod
caber 0.5mg e3d
HCG 13-17 weeks 250ius twice a week
liver support milk thistle and liv 52
PCT
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
clomid50/50/50/25/25/25
ai aromasin 12.5mg eod

[Iron Frenchie]

Im guessing your trying to bulk. I would change it up a little.
200mg Test P 1-9 weeks
600mg NPP 1-9 Weeks

With faster esters you will see results faster and have a total shutdown period of 10 weeks (9 on + 1 off) with your cycle above your looking at 17 weeks of total shutdown (14 on + 3 off) . You will recover faster and be able to jump back on sooner.

[cousinmuscles]

At 5'7" 160lbs and 10% you don't come up to par for third cycle even as an ectomorph, post up your diet (what you eat, when, and in what amounts), and also how do you train?

Either way check this for aromasin: https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rdosed-ai.html
The half life is very short so you'd do better taking it ED or even better twice a day

Run HCG throughout the cycle at 250iu per week

Add NAC 2400mg per day it will do more than your other aids

I agree with Iron Frenchie, with short esters you don't have to wait for it to kick in (and deca will take quite some time) nor wait for it to clear, and you get in essence the same time "on"... just more frequent pinning.

[Dannyboy51577]

I love me a test deca run. This is actually almoet the same as im doing now, just a little different dosage. Frenchie is right-you can run the npp in place of the regular deca- same compound just different ester- so it gets going sooner. I prefer just to frontload and stick with deca myself- i hadnt run it in a while but its a great compound. Im runnin winny for 4 wks at the end.

You will hear- run test higher than deca, run deca higher than test, etc etc. As long as you run test with it, and keep your estrogen in range and prolactin doesnt get outta control, you will be fine. Ive found its person specific-ive run it with lower test and higher test and just prefer my test a little higher, i feel better. You may find the opposite.

[ScotchGuard02]

my 3rd cycle
26yr 5'7'' 159lbs 10.5%bf 6years of training
test e 375mg 1-14weeks Durobolin is a very long ester. Run your Test a couple of week more than the Deca.
deca 375mg 1-14 weeks Run the Deca for 12 weeks.
dbol 30mg 1-4 weeks 30mg of Dbol will do little. Run 50mg to 60mg everyday.
winny 30mg 12-17 weeks Drop the winny.
ai aromasin 12.5 mg eod
caber 0.5mg e3d
HCG 13-17 weeks 250ius twice a week Run the HCG for the first 14 weeks. Stop HCG with the last Test injection.
liver support milk thistle and liv 52 Run N-Acetyl L-Cysteine (NAC) for liver support. Forget milk thistle.
PCT
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20 You can do a 5 week PCT 40/20/20/20/20
clomid50/50/50/25/25/25 Same with Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
ai aromasin 12.5mg eod You don't need the aromasin

I'm assuming you're running a bulking cycle with Deca and Dbol. In that case, drop the winny.

[gjshivam]

thanx for suggestions
but i have purchased test e and deca
should i leave 3 weeks after cycle for ester clearance or just 2 weeks
n my diet look like this

4scrambled eggs with 4 white bread
whey protein
boiled chicken with veggies
white rice with pulses
brown rice with tuna
bcaa during workout
whey protein post workout
boiled chicken
chappaties with veggies
casein protein
if i will be in condition to run winny like below 11% bf then ill run it or otherwise drop it
i have used arimidex on my previous cycle 0.5mg and feel nausea and drowsiness whole day then i have to drop it
help me with ai 50mg is way too much as if i dont get too much estrogen conversion then it will create problem may be

[gjshivam]

4scrambled eggs with 4 white bread
whey protein
boiled chicken 200gms with veggies 150gms
white rice150gms with pulses
brown rice100gms with tuna 200gms
bcaa during workout
whey protein post workout
boiled chicken 200 gms
chappaties with veggies
casein protein

[cousinmuscles]

0.5mg arimidex how often? Have you pulled bloods at your test dose and AI dose to know your E2 levels? If you don't you're just speculating. Aim to get it within physiological range preferably on the higher end. With aromasin you can't crash your E2 and the difference between 25mg and 50mg is small. Read the link I mentioned about that.

Your diet looks like a hard cut. Where are your carbs and your EFAs? Seems like you're barely getting 2k cals or even less and 300g protein. Try 3500 cals. You'll do fine at 250g protein and up the carbs with sweet potatoes, bulgur, brown rice, whole wheat bread... Get some fatty fish (or at least a fish oil supp) and some flaxseeds/flaxseed oil in your diet.

[kelkel]

You need to loosen up your diet and eat to gain.
I'd starve on that.

[gjshivam]

can u plz make a suitable diet for me to gain...im taking this diet from past 2 years...i also take sweet potatoes and yogurt before workout...help me with my diet cousinmuscles..whenever u get time for it....and on cycle diet
i want to add 20kgs in this cycle
im taking also taking 6gm fish oil
multivitamin
vitamin d3
digestive enzymes

[cousinmuscles]

20kg of fat is no problem, just eat fast food non stop

20kg of pure dry muscle is something that will require serious effort and time from your part. So serious that you might as well scroll down to the diet section of the forum and figure things out... There is no magic pill I or anyone else can give you.

[gjshivam]

no one wants fat brother i will increase my cal to 3500 and carbs also....im not asking for a magic pill nor i want
my workout routine is like
monday chest
incline barbell bench 3 sets 20kg 30kg 35kg
incline dumbell 3 sets 20kg 30kg 30kg
decline dumbell press 20kg 30kg 35kg
bench press 20kg 30kg 35kg
cable flys 3 sets with parallel dips

tuesday off

wednesday back
deadlift 3 sets 140kg
bent over 3 sets
seating rowing 3 sets
dumbell rowing
lat pulldown
hyper extension

thrusday shoulder
shoulder press 3 sets max 25kgs
dumbell press 3 sets 30kgs
front raise 3 sets
lateral raises 3 sets
face pull
upright
shrugs

friday arms (bicep triceps)
barbell curl
incline dumbell curl
preacher curl
hammer curl
tricep pushdown
duble hand dumbell extension
skull crusher
kickbacks
reverse curls

saturday thighs
squats 3sets 120kg
leg press 3 sets 140kg
leg extension 3sets
stiff leg deadlift 3sets
leg curl 3 sets
lunges 2 sets
calves
any advice on my workout
as i keep making changes after every 4-6 weeks

[cousinmuscles]

Your strength is far, far behind for what I'd consider ready to cycle. I might come off as offensive but here it goes. You are obviously not eating enough and are obviously not training hard. There is no such thing as thinking of what comfortable weights and reps you will use and do the same thing year after year.

To put things in perspective before I started using AAS I couldn't do dumbbell bench because the heaviest dumbbell my gym had was 40kg, I did seated shoulder press with the 40kgs for 20 reps... I'd end up doing aerobics with that weight. We are all different but you are posting weights that aren't up to par with someone who has a base yet. If you can't manage to train hard and eat enough, why add AAS into the mix?

A workout tip is to learn to embrace pain and stop being such a pussy. You can't plan for months in advance what weights you'll use. You have to beat yourself every workout and do something more. If you did the 35s for 8 reps then next time you do the same workout do more. If you don't signal your body that it needs to adapt to handle the stress, why should it adapt (grow) at all? All you have done is told it there is no stressor it has to prepare itself for by growing and getting stronger... just the same load over and over.