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    It’s just 2 tough to tell on where what goes

    I can’t even see them getting him out, and now I’m at a point where - who’s better & how

    And - wtf is what. . . I’m still talking to my neighbor who works industrial construction. He leads industrial sized projects for glass work - his input is: I have no idea why we’re building & he makes 100 per week less than someone currently on unemployment


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    My city accounts for more than one quarter of all COVID deaths in the US, as of today we have more than 26,000 deaths here. How is it so unbelievable to some brothers that I know a bunch of people who died suffering from COVID symptoms?

    Everyone I know knows a few folks who died from it. I just assumed everybody here did too.

    If you dont personally have family or friends who died this nasty death, consider yourself to be blessed. Anyone who thinks this disease is a joke or is trivial is an uninformed asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C27H40O3 View Post
    My city accounts for more than one quarter of all COVID deaths in the US, as of today we have more than 26,000 deaths here. How is it so unbelievable to some brothers that I know a bunch of people who died suffering from COVID symptoms?

    Everyone I know knows a few folks who died from it. I just assumed everybody here did too.

    If you dont personally have family or friends who died this nasty death, consider yourself to be blessed. Anyone who thinks this disease is a joke or is trivial is an uninformed asshole.
    I agree that there is no deadly disease that's "trivial". However, neither is forcing everyone to stay home & ruining the economy.

    Placing healthy people in quarantine is not only a violation of rights, it's heretofore unprecedented. The WHO broke the ENTIRE GLOBAL ECONOMY, and the results will be far more devastating than the pandemic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White Lotus View Post
    I agree that there is no deadly disease that's "trivial". However, neither is forcing everyone to stay home & ruining the economy.

    Placing healthy people in quarantine is not only a violation of rights, it's heretofore unprecedented. The WHO broke the ENTIRE GLOBAL ECONOMY, and the results will be far more devastating than the pandemic.
    Our market here is kicking ass at least. Money can be re-gained, businesses re-opened, but you can’t bring the dead back to life. You lose anyone to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Our market here is kicking ass at least. Money can be re-gained, businesses re-opened, but you can’t bring the dead back to life. You lose anyone to it?
    Not long ago you quoted short video clip from the movie Unforgiven.

    "We've all got it coming kid."

    I still don't see why you try to argue in favor of quarantine subliminally and flip back and forth every day. Plain and simple if you sacrifice freedom for security then you do not deserve Freedom whatsoever.

    You can't bring the dead back to life so we have no business driving vehicles. We have no business making our own decisions eating sugar drinking wine... I can go on forever you live in California... Everything is known to cause cancer to the state of California so why should you be allowed to partake in any of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    Not long ago you quoted short video clip from the movie Unforgiven.

    "We've all got it coming kid."

    I still don't see why you try to argue in favor of quarantine subliminally and flip back and forth every day. Plain and simple if you sacrifice freedom for security then you do not deserve Freedom whatsoever.

    You can't bring the dead back to life so we have no business driving vehicles. We have no business making our own decisions eating sugar drinking wine... I can go on forever you live in California... Everything is known to cause cancer to the state of California so why should you be allowed to partake in any of it?
    Enough with the flipping back & forth claims, as it didn’t happen. I supported the quarantine, then agreed it was time to be lifted.

    That’s right, one way or another, we ALL have it coming and that’s death and per ones beliefs, God will pass judgement.

    I won’t address topics we’ve gone back and forth on at great length in the past.
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    I know I can't convince anyone of anything because this is just the fcking internet, but get fucking real. Use the other side of your goddamn brain

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    Can you sit there and and tell me how Coronavirus should have made people quarantined to protect ? sitting here drinking my beer and I'm fixing to drive my fucking truck an hour home.

    You can't bring the dead back to life so get in the goddamn cage and let your government take care of you and decide what is necessary for you. I really can't put it any plainer than this I've done it a million times yet you still come back with these retarded argument proximal. Welcome to life get ready to die.

    If a mother fucker was susceptible they should have stayed inside it's their duty to protect themself not my job to make sure they're taken care of

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    And yeah proximal all businesses are healable if we hand all power over to the government to tax us as they see fit as much as they want.

    Shit you work for the government. What the fuck do you care your jobs guaranteed they might as well take your entire paycheck and tell you what to do with the entire son of a bitch but just remember you're not going to be buying your wine with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    And yeah proximal all businesses are healable if we hand all power over to the government to tax us as they see fit as much as they want.

    Shit you work for the government. What the fuck do you care your jobs guaranteed they might as well take your entire paycheck and tell you what to do with the entire son of a bitch but just remember you're not going to be buying your wine with it.

    I only work as a teacher now road. It’s entirely likely the subject that I teach will not be available next year due to budget cuts and I will retire. I don’t like it, but it’s my choice as I have prepared for it for decades. My wife doesn’t work for the government.

    What type of chemicals I place in my body are my choice & I don’t judge other’s on theirs.

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    The things some of you don't understand that does not qualify you to be an American... We practice Freedom at all costs Live Free or fucking die. Freedom doesn't mean you have some guarantee that you have it good granted to you by a government. Freedom is god-given. And all you motherfukers trying to hand it away need to go start your own little chickenshit country somewhere. Land of the free home of the brave. Not the land of handing your God given rights away. If you can't hack it and take care of your goddamn self then you should have no right to vote. You should have no decision in anything. You should take the welfare you are given and shut the fuck up or get the fuck out

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    That god-given right to take care of yourself called freedom sounds great to everyone but most can't handle it. We weren't supposed to be able to vote our god-given rights away but we did long ago. So now I'm a criminal because of fucking morons like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The road View Post
    That god-given right to take care of yourself called freedom sounds great to everyone but most can't handle it. We weren't supposed to be able to vote our god-given rights away but we did long ago. So now I'm a criminal because of fucking morons like you.

    Well, I do have learning disabilities that is true, but it’s funny, I call myself an idiot or moron in class. The kids know my background, they know what I’ve accomplished as I have been here for 20 years and kids chose to take my class based upon what other kids told them. When I tell them that if I could accomplish what I have in life with some of my limitations, that every single one of them can easily out-do me. I mean that from my heart and it resonates with the kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Our market here is kicking ass at least. Money can be re-gained, businesses re-opened, but you can’t bring the dead back to life. You lose anyone to it?
    Holy shit, you must live in a different country than I do. Try taking out your 401 K and tell me it’s kicking ass. It was doing fine before this.
    What happens when businesses close down or downsize- less tax money from the business and employees and more going out to the people. People refusing to go back to work because they make more in unemployment than at work.
    Tell that to the people that have to file bankruptcy. The people that now go homeless, the kids that can no longer get an education because they can’t afford it.
    What did we gain from the shutdown??? Come on Prox- CA was the first to shut down- we are still shut down. How has this stopped the cases?? What has all of this really accomplished?
    How many people are really asymatic to the virus?
    This was a knee jerk reaction just so they could say that they did something and a take advantage of the situation just like 9/11.

    Prox- look up HR 5717. They are trying to use these times to pass a bill on gun violence and prevention and community act.
    You don’t hear about something important like that:
    I don’t even own a gun and probably never will.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Holy shit, you must live in a different country than I do. Try taking out your 401 K and tell me it’s kicking ass. It was doing fine before this.
    What happens when businesses close down or downsize- less tax money from the business and employees and more going out to the people. People refusing to go back to work because they make more in unemployment than at work.
    Tell that to the people that have to file bankruptcy. The people that now go homeless, the kids that can no longer get an education because they can’t afford it.
    What did we gain from the shutdown??? Come on Prox- CA was the first to shut down- we are still shut down. How has this stopped the cases?? What has all of this really accomplished?
    How many people are really asymatic to the virus?
    This was a knee jerk reaction just so they could say that they did something and a take advantage of the situation just like 9/11.

    Prox- look up HR 5717. They are trying to use these times to pass a bill on gun violence and prevention and community act.
    You don’t hear about something important like that:
    I don’t even own a gun and probably never will.


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    Well, the market has consistently been climbing, there are businesses reopening and we cannot bring back the dead - all of those are facts, so I’m not going to debate them.

    I’m not going to rehash the coved-19 discussion. The reality is, if at the very onset they (CDC, WHO, Our Government) enforced a severe and strict travel ban and practiced more significantly stringent measures of isolating those effected or possibly effected; there would have been a similar uproar about encroachment of liberties and freedoms and it’s possible that the spread could have been halted all-together. But, it didn’t happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximal View Post
    Well, the market has consistently been climbing, there are businesses reopening and we cannot bring back the dead - all of those are facts, so I’m not going to debate them.

    I’m not going to rehash the coved-19 discussion. The reality is, if at the very onset they (CDC, WHO, Our Government) enforced a severe and strict travel ban and practiced more significantly stringent measures of isolating those effected or possibly effected; there would have been a similar uproar about encroachment of liberties and freedoms and it’s possible that the spread could have been halted all-together. But, it didn’t happen.
    He stopped flights from China later, but didnt want to upset Europe, so their flights, especially from heavily infected Italy, continued to fly into New York for a longer time with tourists and others. That’s why New York now has 20% of the country’s cases, and almost 30% of the deaths.

    The folks ate at the airport, where all workers are local residents, took the transit system from the airport, rubbing elbows with millions of New Yorkers in subway cars packed in like sardines, and everyone has to hold the same steel bars all day long with no cleaning, for balance standing. They got into cabs, which were like incubators with the windows closed. They stayed in hotels, ate in the city, shopped in stores, went to packed plays on broadway, drank in bars, touched revolving doors everywhere, used ATM’s all over the city. You get the idea. Many eventually left, but they left us a ticking time bomb of infection.

    He could have mitigated the spread. We have disease surveillance programs in place in countries all over the world. If he got bamboozled by China, which is his latest attempt at deflecting blame, its his own fault for being naive.

    Ever since the japs tried to fool us by saying they were interested in further discussions and talking regarding our sanctions, while at the same time they had their navy and planes on their way to attack Pearl Harbor, we should never rely on what a foreign leader tells us is happening there. Even then, we didnt believe them. We knew they were lying, but i am not sure what particular info we had about the impending attack.

    Reagan said trust but verify. This loser is responsible for the death and disease of thousands of Americans through his malfeasance in carrying out his duty to protect us.


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