Is it easy to buy weapons in the united states?

[almostgone]

Probably cause I was born in Europe and raised by European parents, but I never really understood gun culture. I've had a few hand guns for personal protection, but once I try them at the range a couple of times, I hardly touch them - for years. To me, they're just boring and loud. I have a studio full of synthesizers, drum machines, cables, computers, devices, etc., that I get to sit at and make music that makes me feel something... that inspires me. A gun just shoots shit. Don't really get it... but it's not for me to get, so f it. I sometimes wonder if some of you gun guys secretly are hoping for some apocalypse where you can Rambo out lol...

But yeah, Tarmyg, hardly anyone in Europe even thinks about guns... people are too busy having a good time partying, clubbing, cafe-ing, restuarant-ing, walking, fishing, camping, cooking out, climbing, and enjoying life. Guns are not a topic of discussion and nobody feels unsafe either. When my relatives watch TV, all they see is the crazy shootings we have over here. America is a strange country, especially for being one of the most civilized nations in the world.

Not at all. No reasonable person wants that. Just as you feel that guns just "shoot shit", we may not get that you like to make/mix sounds.

There's more to firearms than making things go bang. Some of us begin at the practice of reloading and evolve through the entire process, challenging ourselves to shoot better, attain better accuracy, improve acquisition times, etc. It's no better or no worse than the work/concentration/focus you put into making your music or to put it in terms we mutually understand, the effort/focus/concentration that we put into lifting.

Perhaps music was a large part of something from your childhood? For many of us particularly in rural areas, firearms were a huge part of our childhood; even moreso for prior service guys.

It's just a cultural difference, I think. But no, the midnight "Rambo" types are disgusting. There's a difference between honing marksmanship skills and the wannabe "Rambo" types just as there's a difference between music and someone banging away on an instrument but never creating a melody.

Please don't take my post as an argument; it was meant to be a comparison/contrast type of interaction.

[tarmyg]

Perhaps music was a large part of something from your childhood? For many of us particularly in rural areas, firearms were a huge part of our childhood; even moreso for prior service guys.

I can relate here. Grew up with rifles and purely for hunting purposes. Moose, deer and the occasional turkey ended up on the kitchen table [emoji3]Dad told me I used to mostly fall asleep and wake up when the gun went off acting like I saw the whole thing.

[Hughinn]

I can relate here. Grew up with rifles and purely for hunting purposes. Moose, deer and the occasional turkey ended up on the kitchen table [emoji3]Dad told me I used to mostly fall asleep and wake up when the gun went off acting like I saw the whole thing.

Except, I think it's important to remember that the second amendment wasn't written "for hunting purposes" , nor was it written for shooting sports or even home defense.

It was written because the people who wrote it believed an armed population was the only way to keep the government honest.

https://quizlet.com/4081778/second-a...t-flash-cards/

The Second Amendment, ratified in 1791, was proposed by James Madison to allow the creation of civilian forces that can counteract a tyrannical federal government. Anti-Federalists believed that a centralized standing military, established by the Constitutional Convention, gave the federal government too much power and potential for violent oppression.

Their intentions were very clear.

Ownership of weapons was paramount to being a free people.

[Test Monsterone]

Not at all. No reasonable person wants that. Just as you feel that guns just "shoot shit", we may not get that you like to make/mix sounds.

There's more to firearms than making things go bang. Some of us begin at the practice of reloading and evolve through the vehicle process, challenging ourselves to shoot better, attain better accuracy, improve acquisition times, etc. It's no better or no worse than the work/concentration/focus you put into making your music or to put it in terms we mutually understand, the effort/focus/concentration that we put into lifting.

Perhaps music was a large part of something from your childhood? For many of us particularly in rural areas, firearms were a huge part of our childhood; even moreso for prior service guys.

It's just a cultural difference, I think. But no, the midnight "Rambo" types are disgusting. There's a difference between honing marksmanship skills and the wannabe "Rambo" types just as there's a difference between music and someone banging away on an instrument but never creating a melody.

Please don't take my post as an argument; it was meant to be a comparison/contrast type of interaction.

That makes sense, and I shouldn't look at things so simplistically. You're obviously one of the educated and enlightened gun owners, but you always hear/see the gun crazies out there trying to look intimidating, yelling about some conspiracy, throwing shade at anything not far-far-far-conservative and making mountains out of mole hills (like some guy Mexican illegal killed a woman in CA, so he needs to own 10 machine guns to protect himself from illegals).

Of course, we never hear about the quiet, responsible, marksman-type who hone their craft and perfect their passion. Even on forums, I don't want to name names (most of them have been banned), but sometimes the most vocal gun guys are also the most delusional, loony, anarchist, and dangerous types. It really makes us non-gun people weary of gun owners, especially guys who collect a ton of weapons.

Maybe you're right, and it's a cultural thing. I think there is a personality element to it... and I think it's fear-based. At the end of the day people want to protect their family, and it's normal to want to do so, but some just take it a little overboard. I personally don't trust my life in other people's hands, whether it's another driver I don't know, a pilot, or a gun owner. It doesn't make me feel safe that some guy down the street owns a gun that can kill me in one shot from 100 yards away. Maybe that guy fears illegals/criminals/ghetto-type, but I fear that guy. At the end of the day, I wish guns were just not so politicized or glamorized. This country would be better if we just learned to accept them and not focus on them... but I guess it's hard to when you have these mass shootings every so often.

[almostgone]

That makes sense, and I shouldn't look at things so simplistically. You're obviously one of the educated and enlightened gun owners, but you always hear/see the gun crazies out there trying to look intimidating, yelling about some conspiracy, throwing shade at anything not far-far-far-conservative and making mountains out of mole hills (like some guy Mexican illegal killed a woman in CA, so he needs to own 10 machine guns to protect himself from illegals).

Of course, we never hear about the quiet, responsible, marksman-type who hone their craft and perfect their passion. Even on forums, I don't want to name names (most of them have been banned), but sometimes the most vocal gun guys are also the most delusional, loony, anarchist, and dangerous types. It really makes us non-gun people weary of gun owners, especially guys who collect a ton of weapons.

Maybe you're right, and it's a cultural thing. I think there is a personality element to it... and I think it's fear-based. At the end of the day people want to protect their family, and it's normal to want to do so, but some just take it a little overboard. I personally don't trust my life in other people's hands, whether it's another driver I don't know, a pilot, or a gun owner. It doesn't make me feel safe that some guy down the street owns a gun that can kill me in one shot from 100 yards away. Maybe that guy fears illegals/criminals/ghetto-type, but I fear that guy. At the end of the day, I wish guns were just not so politicized or glamorized. This country would be better if we just learned to accept them and not focus on them... but I guess it's hard to when you have these mass shootings every so often.

I understand your point of view regarding irresponsible firearm owners and see we share some common ground!

Also, I apologize for the spelling in my previous post. I was attempting to type the word "entire" and my so-called smartphone decided that I wanted the word "vehicle", so I had to go back and edit that.

[Honkey_Kong]

That makes sense, and I shouldn't look at things so simplistically. You're obviously one of the educated and enlightened gun owners, but you always hear/see the gun crazies out there trying to look intimidating, yelling about some conspiracy, throwing shade at anything not far-far-far-conservative and making mountains out of mole hills (like some guy Mexican illegal killed a woman in CA, so he needs to own 10 machine guns to protect himself from illegals).

Of course, we never hear about the quiet, responsible, marksman-type who hone their craft and perfect their passion. Even on forums, I don't want to name names (most of them have been banned), but sometimes the most vocal gun guys are also the most delusional, loony, anarchist, and dangerous types. It really makes us non-gun people weary of gun owners, especially guys who collect a ton of weapons.

Maybe you're right, and it's a cultural thing. I think there is a personality element to it... and I think it's fear-based. At the end of the day people want to protect their family, and it's normal to want to do so, but some just take it a little overboard. I personally don't trust my life in other people's hands, whether it's another driver I don't know, a pilot, or a gun owner. It doesn't make me feel safe that some guy down the street owns a gun that can kill me in one shot from 100 yards away. Maybe that guy fears illegals/criminals/ghetto-type, but I fear that guy. At the end of the day, I wish guns were just not so politicized or glamorized. This country would be better if we just learned to accept them and not focus on them... but I guess it's hard to when you have these mass shootings every so often.

Nearly all of those whackos you're referring to just like to sound tough. You know the whole "if you try to take my guns, it'll be 1776 all over again" (10 points if you can guess who said that).

I'm sure they believe the conspiracies (and not all of those are too far fetched to be true, but I digress), but at the same time too, they know what would happen if they did carry out their blanket threats (despite not wanting to admit it). But the bigger fact is these people like to sound tough to other people, but they likely couldn't bring themselves to shoot somebody if that somebody was shooting at them.

When I see a lot of them ranting and raving, I just see a bunch of lonely people who feel isolated from society crying out for help. So they virtue signal to other people in the same boat hoping to not feel "alone."

[Test Monsterone]

Nearly all of those whackos you're referring to just like to sound tough. You know the whole "if you try to take my guns, it'll be 1776 all over again" (10 points if you can guess who said that).

I'm sure they believe the conspiracies (and not all of those are too far fetched to be true, but I digress), but at the same time too, they know what would happen if they did carry out their blanket threats (despite not wanting to admit it). But the bigger fact is these people like to sound tough to other people, but they likely couldn't bring themselves to shoot somebody if that somebody was shooting at them.

When I see a lot of them ranting and raving, I just see a bunch of lonely people who feel isolated from society crying out for help. So they virtue signal to other people in the same boat hoping to not feel "alone."

Ted Nugent or Alex Jones?

I think you're right on that analysis. They do make it look bad for the rest of the normal population. I'd rather someone who feels that way play video games or listen to emo music than collect guns, though...

[Honkey_Kong]

Ted Nugent or Alex Jones?

I think you're right on that analysis. They do make it look bad for the rest of the normal population. I'd rather someone who feels that way play video games or listen to emo music than collect guns, though...

Yep, that's an Alex-ism. Although if somebody said Ted also said that, I'd believe them.

But yeah, I wouldn't worry about them collecting guns. It gives them the illusion of power and deep down, they know it's just that. They won't admit it though

[Hughinn]

Those "wackos" you all keep referring to, is a double edged sword.

While y'all are likely right that despite owning alot of weapons, it'd be meaningless because having steel in your hands is useless if you don't have steel Inside you.

But those "wackos" are also a very extensive supply of support for them who do have steel Inside and just need to get some in thier hands.

For example, the IRA at it's most effective was said to have had no more than 500 or so members. They went through great trouble to smuggling weapons from Libya and elsewhere.

And yet, those 500 people managed to bankrupt the world's colonial superpower at the time. And did so right in thier own back yard. Primarily with simple firearms and crude explosives.

A relatively small group of people, can be very effective under certain operational methods. Especially with a decent enough amount of public support. Both open and secret.

Those "wackos" could easily be a real asset and supply line under the right circumstances.

I say let them horde em up all they want. Sooner or later they'll wind up in the right hands. Should the need arise.

That's the whole intent behind the second amendment.

[Honkey_Kong]

Those "wackos" you all keep referring to, is a double edged sword.

While y'all are likely right that despite owning alot of weapons, it'd be meaningless because having steel in your hands is useless if you don't have steel Inside you.

But those "wackos" are also a very extensive supply of support for them who do have steel Inside and just need to get some in thier hands.

For example, the IRA at it's most effective was said to have had no more than 500 or so members. They went through great trouble to smuggling weapons from Libya and elsewhere.

And yet, those 500 people managed to bankrupt the world's colonial superpower at the time. And did so right in thier own back yard. Primarily with simple firearms and crude explosives.

A relatively small group of people, can be very effective under certain operational methods. Especially with a decent enough amount of public support. Both open and secret.

Those "wackos" could easily be a real asset and supply line under the right circumstances.

I say let them horde em up all they want. Sooner or later they'll wind up in the right hands. Should the need arise.

That's the whole intent behind the second amendment.

I see you got triggered by that word I used. Ok how about this. Not to agree or disagree with the current government, but what would you say the odds of a few guys armed with AR-15s have against the best trained and best supplied military in the world? You think even with 500 of them, they'd win? And really with all the NSA/FBI/CIA surveillance, what makes you think you can even organize a group together?

And the thing is you know it whether or not you want to admit it that there is no way on earth to beat the US government with some AR rifles. You won't admit it, but you know deep in your heart that if you ever tried to carry out this Rambo fantasy, you'd either end up dead or in prison along with any accomplices you may have. And the other "whackos" that also talk about their civil war 2.0 know this too. That's why they won't do anything ever. Not to mention almost all of them don't have the savagery inside them needed to carry it out if they wanted to.

[wango]

I'd rather someone who feels that way play video games or listen to emo music than collect guns, though...

Do you think there are gun owners out there that love listening to “The Cure”.

[Honkey_Kong]

Do you think there are gun owners out there that love listening to “The Cure”.

As much as I hate the cure, they're way better than any of the shit the kids call music today.

[wango]

As much as I hate the cure, they're way better than any of the shit the kids call music today.

Uh yeah. I ask my kids every year about what they listen to. My God this new music is bad. I’m deaf from having to blast my earphones louder than the garbage they pump out of the gym’s speakers.