Deca question

[Vasculardiscuss]

My question is what dosage should I run for a longer deca test cycle?

I ran deca at 600 with test at 600 in the past and it was great for adding mass. And keeping me from getting a boner lol. I added some primibolin to the stack and it helped.

I'm trying to keep my water and bf down and add lean mass.

Is 400 deca good? And how much testosterone should I use? I don't want to add to much testosterone and get water, and too little will have deca dick.

Where is the "sweet spot"?

[Test Monsterone]

Both deca and testosterone add water. Keep test at 2/3, deca at 1/3 if you want to be on the safe side with regards to erection quality. If you want to keep water down, you'll have to run some AI and watch your diet/salt intake.

[Honkey_Kong]

Both deca and testosterone add water. Keep test at 2/3, deca at 1/3 if you want to be on the safe side with regards to erection quality. If you want to keep water down, you'll have to run some AI and watch your diet/salt intake.

Viagra certainly helps with deca dick too.

[tarmyg]

Viagra certainly helps with deca dick too.

Got deca dick on my last cycle with that compound but neither cialis or viagra helped. Sounds like you had a different experience?

[Honkey_Kong]

Got deca dick on my last cycle with that compound but neither cialis or viagra helped. Sounds like you had a different experience?

I tried 25mg first and that didn't work. 50mg fixed it. But I also take caber. It takes forever to "finish" though.

[Vasculardiscuss]

What about low test and higher deca? Say test at 200mg and deca at 400mg each week.... Has anyone ever tried this?

I hear npp doesn't have the water or boner problem that deca has, does anyone know why?

My wife and her sister are going to be so pissed if I can't get a boner.

[Hughinn]

What about low test and higher deca? Say test at 200mg and deca at 400mg each week.... Has anyone ever tried this?

I hear npp doesn't have the water or boner problem that deca has, does anyone know why?

My wife and her sister are going to be so pissed if I can't get a boner.

I just used some NPP not very long ago and found that it really is now something I'll use regularly.

I had no problem with erection problems and water retention was minimal.

I dosed at 500 test and 300NPP. It hits pretty hard at even moderate doses in my opinion and kicks in pretty fast.

I prefer the short ester stuff myself. It kicks in quicker and it's easier to modify doses to hit the sweet spot.

Downside is you gotta pin at least 3 times a week.

[Hughinn]

I tried 25mg first and that didn't work. 50mg fixed it. But I also take caber. It takes forever to "finish" though.

That can be kinda fun tho.

[Test Monsterone]

What about low test and higher deca? Say test at 200mg and deca at 400mg each week.... Has anyone ever tried this?

I hear npp doesn't have the water or boner problem that deca has, does anyone know why?

My wife and her sister are going to be so pissed if I can't get a boner.

Oook. I’m gonna ignore the last sentence…

I ran deca at around double the test once, somewhere around 400/200. I was taking other compounds like DHB or Primobolan also. During this run I experienced recurring ED that often couldn’t be remedied with ED drugs. Or they barely worked and I felt frustrated not being able to achieve maximum performance.

[Dgs59]

My wife and her sister are going to be so pissed if I can't get a boner.

Neh her sister will be ok, I will service her for ya.

[Honkey_Kong]

That can be kinda fun tho.

Not really. Eventually, your johnson gets raw and your lady gets sore. And after a good hour and a half, even with Viagra, you start to get soft.

[956Vette]

What about low test and higher deca? Say test at 200mg and deca at 400mg each week.... Has anyone ever tried this?

I hear npp doesn't have the water or boner problem that deca has, does anyone know why?

My wife and her sister are going to be so pissed if I can't get a boner.

A favorite TRT prescriber is an advocate. For example, long term HRT user normally running: 125mg test cyp w/ 200mg nandrolone weekly - cycle months might look like 175mg testosterone w/ 300mg deca durabolin. NPP isn't easy street.

[GymHero]

What about low test and higher deca? Say test at 200mg and deca at 400mg each week.... Has anyone ever tried this?

I hear npp doesn't have the water or boner problem that deca has, does anyone know why?

My wife and her sister are going to be so pissed if I can't get a boner.

Anytime I have ran deca/tren I always kept my test lower. Last cycle I ran I did 250mg Test E PW & 150mg NPP EOD. Personally I love keeping my test lower. Keeps my sides to a minimum vs when I run higher test I notice more sides.

[xxblazenlowxx]

A favorite TRT prescriber is an advocate. For example, long term HRT user normally running: 125mg test cyp w/ 200mg nandrolone weekly - cycle months might look like 175mg testosterone w/ 300mg deca durabolin. NPP isn't easy street.

I have been running 125 test 150 deca for my trt. I just started 150 test 350 deca, going to run that for 16 weeks.

I have had deca dick on 500 test 500 deca along with acne and some other sides.

No issues for me with low dose deca and lower test. No ai and no caber

[warchild]

I used to believe in the 2:1 test to deca ratio but this year I’ve been doing 1:1 and it’s good. No ed or prolactin issues and keep making progress. You won’t know what works for you till you try different things.

[sully169]

Got deca dick on my last cycle with that compound but neither cialis or viagra helped. Sounds like you had a different experience?

What was the ratio of test to deca you were running during this?


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[SampsonandDelilah]

I agree with 1:1 but am a firm believer in having BOTH proviron and mast on board with any 19 nor

[magic32]

There is a lot of variance in this thread which is reflective of the different personalities, preferences, and trial and error experiences.

I've always used old school principles, and I have NEVER had ED issues with Deca. Now, of course others' experiences may vary. However...

...the principle is simply this: always run every other (non-Test) injected compound (especially Deca due to it propensity towards ED) at least 100 mg per week less than Test. That's it.

Granted, all gear is some type of Test derivative, but many have minor contraindicating properties, i.e., when combined something (such as erection) may be lost, but when pure Test is the preeminent substance, it overrides all lesser mg compounds regardless of the anabolic:androgenic ratio, which as we know many Nors have higher (on paper) numbers than Test.

Keep Test 100 mg higher than other compounds.

[SampsonandDelilah]

There is a lot of variance in this thread which is reflective of the different personalities, preferences, and trial and error experiences.

I've always used old school principles, and I have NEVER had ED issues with Deca. Now, of course others' experiences may vary. However...

...the principle is simply this: always run every other (non-Test) injected compound (especially Deca due to it propensity towards ED) at least 100 mg per week less than Test. That's it.

Granted, all gear is some type of Test derivative, but many have minor contraindicating properties, i.e., when combined something (such as erection) may be lost, but when pure Test is the preeminent substance, it overrides all lesser mg compounds regardless of the anabolic:androgenic ratio, which as we know many Nors have higher (on paper) numbers than Test.

Keep Test 100 mg higher than other compounds.

Interesting because with tren, I ALWAYS run test lower and have never run into problems.

I’ve also never had Deca dick either which to your point illustrates how different we all really are in responding.

I will say this again, the one thing that’s in common with with a test/Deca run or a test/Tren run is masteron and proviron, which I’m convinced isn’t a coincidence. I also think there’s a psychosomatic component with Deca and guys literally get it in their head…

[Bio-Active]

I can run deca at the same dose as test with no issue. My last blast was 750 test and 600 deca and had no issue at all. The only true way to find out if something is off is running labs

[lovbyts]

Not really. Eventually, your johnson gets raw and your lady gets sore. And after a good hour and a half, even with Viagra, you start to get soft.

I'm not so sure about the 1 1/2 part. I tried the liquid V when on vacation once because I had been awake for over 48 hrs due to working over 12 hrs then going straight to the airport flying international and had a date with a couple friends at the same time and swore that stuff off after 4 hrs and had to pee in the shower due to pointing the wrong direction. lol OK TMI

I think a lot of the reason some people seem to get the Deca dick is the same reason some people do even on Test only cycles or TRT. Some people convert test into estrogen easier than others and may not be running any type of blocker. I (knock on wood) have always been lucky and dont seem to have the problem, so far.

[tarmyg]

What was the ratio of test to deca you were running during this?


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1:1. Going to modify that based on my bendy run in a couple of months based on what I have seen here.

[Lee_1978]

I just used some NPP not very long ago and found that it really is now something I'll use regularly.

I had no problem with erection problems and water retention was minimal.

I dosed at 500 test and 300NPP. It hits pretty hard at even moderate doses in my opinion and kicks in pretty fast.

I prefer the short ester stuff myself. It kicks in quicker and it's easier to modify doses to hit the sweet spot.

Downside is you gotta pin at least 3 times a week.

Same. I used NPP in my last cycle and no issues with ED. The whole cycle was plain-sailing in fact.

[Testie]

In my opinion Deca will always affect an erection to a certain extent. I do believe Deca is an awesome compound for those of us who have joint pain so I use it anyway, however I use smaller to moderate doses never going over 500mg per week and I always double the test so 400mg Deca = 800mg of test it’s no good being all jacked up with muscles and not being able to maintain an erection

[Bio-Active]

In my opinion Deca will always affect an erection to a certain extent. I do believe Deca is an awesome compound for those of us who have joint pain so I use it anyway, however I use smaller to moderate doses never going over 500mg per week and I always double the test so 400mg Deca = 800mg of test it’s no good being all jacked up with muscles and not being able to maintain an erection

This just shows how we are all so much different. Deca has no effect on my quality of erection if anything it sends my sex drive through the roof. Tren is another story but Deca is my favorite compound and I have never needed caber

[Honkey_Kong]

In my opinion Deca will always affect an erection to a certain extent. I do believe Deca is an awesome compound for those of us who have joint pain so I use it anyway, however I use smaller to moderate doses never going over 500mg per week and I always double the test so 400mg Deca = 800mg of test it’s no good being all jacked up with muscles and not being able to maintain an erection

I use deca in my HRT. At a low enough dose, it doesn't really affect my "performance," but I can still get significant joint relief from it.

You should add a DHT steroid when you run "cycle" doses of deca, just to help down there.

[SampsonandDelilah]

This just shows how we are all so much different. Deca has no effect on my quality of erection if anything it sends my sex drive through the roof. Tren is another story but Deca is my favorite compound and I have never needed caber

Agree with this 100%

19 Nors in general send my sex drive through the roof and I’ve never had a negative impact on erections. I’ve definitely suffered with the fear of ED though with Deca and we all know how a negative mindset can impact performance. I’ll say this again, having Mast and Proviron on board are game changers with 19 Nors.

With Tren, my sex drive even gets crazier than Deca but I do suffer from the ability to finish sometimes, which can be maddening (it can also be a blessing) but wondering if you’re going to cause a friction fire or seeing your partner grimace isn’t always the best for the happiest of all endings. Again, upping masteron usually cures it. I’m convinced it not only impacts estrogen but has an impact on prolactin as well (I’ve also read journals that support that).

The proviron becomes important because you can lower total test intake but maximize the amount of your free test while limiting the conversion equation because you have a lower dose of testosterone on hand that is being utilized more effectively. We all know that estrogen is so important for sexual health but too much can cause havoc. Crushing it with too much of an AInis even worse. I believe in having a slightly higher than therapeutic dose of test on hand (if one is looking to lean on the Deca or Tren to be the work horse) but augmenting that dose with proviron so you’re getting all you can out of it and minimizing SHBG.

Now with heavy test cycles where you have a lower amount of a 19 Nor on hand as an augmentation, is a different animal and one really needs to know their goals and know which compound they’re looking to maximize…then I do believe ratios become more important and you’re looking for that conversion with heavy amounts of test.

But to Bio’s point, it’s hard to paint that ratio with a broad brush because we all react so differently. Anecdotally that is what works best for me and I feel confident in recommending it but there’s always that caveat because it may be different for you then what works for me.

Hopefully that makes sense….

As you experiment with it you begin to discover what works for you but in the case of Deca, I again stand by trying a lower dose of test and having mast and pro on hand. I’ve seen and felt the difference and read the anecdotes to support it.

Ok, rant over