Running Proviron.........

[mista_liar]

Sorry Bro, you asked about proviron. Yes, proviron is worth using & it will help with bloat. If gyno prone, and using test, IMO don't use it as your only anti-e. Provirons anti-e abilities are more like a positive side effect. Its possible proviron acts by increasing test affinity for the AR while decreasing test conversion to estrogen. AND that helps your other anti-e's work better, ya like less work with a pay increase. IMO, nolva & arimidex would be best for test, but nolva & proviron ain't bad.

Would running nolva10mg, prov25mg and arim be a waste or overkill?

[TheMudMan]

Would running nolva10mg, prov25mg and arim be a waste or overkill?

You should start your own threads.

Edit******* didn't see the arimidex.

I would run either the Proviron or L-dex along with 10mg of Nolva.

[mista_liar]

Thks. I'm fairly new at this but I would agree from what I've researched. From everything I've read, much of this debate seems to be centered on this: Whether or not you need *some estrogen in your body as a male during a cycle.

Pls correct me if I mis-summarize:

Nolva
Pros: prevents estrogen from binding due to it's targeting of the estrogen sites itself
Cons: Estrogen levels now become really high, which could cause an episode with gyno once Nolva adminstration discontiues. Nolva would then need to be run PCT, making it more expensive during a cycle.

Proviron
Pros: prevents test conversion in the first place due to its affinity with the aromatase enzyme testosterone needs to actually convert to estrogen
Cons: its can be suppresive in nature to natural testosterone production since it does do much of what 'normal' levels of test do for our body; decreased libido upon discontinuation during recovery

So based on above, if we believe *some amount of estrogen is needed, why would you need to run Nolva unless you are running a really heavy gyno-prone cycle or are especially sensitive to gyno?

Proviron seems like the logical choice with a small dosage of armi or ldex for water retention and so forth.