Atomini's all-you-need-to-know about TREN and how to use it effectively thread!

[warmouth]

I HAVE GOT TO GET SOME CABER FOR MY FIRST TREN CYCLE COMING UP! If you know what I mean.

[champ14]

Great thread. What are you thoughts on splitting a cycle for example
1-8 test e 600 a week
1-4 dbol 40 mg Ed
1-8 deca 450 a week
Arimadex .5 eod
Hcg 250iu's twice a week

Then after week 8
8-16 test e 300 a week
8-16 tren ace 450 a week
No ai and no hcg
Then pct nolva and clomid
My main question is should I overlap the deca and tren or just do a straight switch?

[fusion777]

awesome read , I'm confident enough to run a tren cycle in the future now.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

OK, female questions:

1. I have run tren at 200mg/wk split into two injections. I didn't have any bad sides from that dose, so should I go higher for mass gain? I know you say to inject EOD, so would this be something like 75 to 100mg EOD if I want to bump up my dose?

2. You mentioned not to run test higher than tren, and maybe that's just for men, but when I use test I do 200mg/wk. So on tren, would I need less test? What's a good test-to-tren ratio?

3. Any idea why people recommend test, tren and winny together?

4. How is enanthate different from acetate? I think all I can get is tren E.

[Atomini]

OK, female questions:

1. I have run tren at 200mg/wk split into two injections. I didn't have any bad sides from that dose, so should I go higher for mass gain? I know you say to inject EOD, so would this be something like 75 to 100mg EOD if I want to bump up my dose?

2. You mentioned not to run test higher than tren, and maybe that's just for men, but when I use test I do 200mg/wk. So on tren, would I need less test? What's a good test-to-tren ratio?

3. Any idea why people recommend test, tren and winny together?

4. How is enanthate different from acetate? I think all I can get is tren E.

Awesome to have some female-centered questions around here. As you might know (or suspect), Trenbolone is the LEAST advised anabolic steroid for women to use due to its very very high androgenic nature (5x more than Testosterone). So you have to realize that the risk of virilization is very high and base how you will be using your Trenbolone on that (unless you don't care about virilization). So with that being said, here's my answers to your questions:

1. If you have Trenbolone Acetate, you should be injecting EOD to maintain stable blood levels. This is because the Acetate ester grants Trenbolone a 24-48 hour half life. Pinning tren at 200mg/week split into two injections evenly apart would be fine with the Enanthate variant, but Acetate needs to be done EOD. With that being said, if you want to keep it at 200mg/week, then you should pin 50mg EOD. If you want to bump the dose up, that's your choice. But i'd just like to make note that 200mg/week or more is a standard dose for males, and that's pretty strong for us. I would say that considering the strong nature of tren, that's a whopping lot for a female. But it's your choice to run it at that dose if you wish, just beware of the strong nature of tren and risk of virilization.

2. You may have misunderstood me in my Tren article. I stated to run Testosterone LOWER than Trenbolone, not the other way around. In the case of females, it doesn't matter at all. The idea of using Testosterone at any dose as a staple in a cycle for men is to avoid problems that are associated with zero Testosterone in the body due to shutdown. This results in normal bodily functions that are governed by Testosterone to cease function and then problems result. Females don't need to worry about any of that for reasons that are quite obvious. For YOU, a female, you don't need to run Testosterone with anything at all unless you want to. You women have the priviledge of doing Tren-only cycles if you want without the reprecussions that we males have if we were to do the same.

3. Test/Tren/Winny is a popular combo for hardening or lean mass or shredding cycles. It all depends on the dose run. A cycle like that doesn't provide much water retention, if any at all. It all depends on the dosing scheme for each of the compounds in that type of cycle. Beware that for females though, that's a strong andorgenic stack (again, depends on dosing too). These types of cycles can come in all types of forms (Test/Tren/Tbol, Test/Tren/Anavar, Test/Tren/Masteron).

4. Trenbolone Enanthate has a half life of about 10 days. Trenbolone Acetate has a half life of about 24-48 hours. As a result, Enanthate needs to be pinned 2x a week spread evenly apart for stable consistent blood levels. Acetate requires EOD shots for stable consistent blood levels.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

For my last cut cycle I used tren E at 200mg/wk, Masteron 200mg/wk, winstrol 50mg EOD, nolva 20mg/day, clen 100mcg/day. Did this for ten weeks. Didn't notice any bad sides; I did see a slight thinning of the hair and the formation of a small bald spot, but thought that was due to the primo I had been using for the previous ten weeks. Some acne, but not totally disgusting.

So I think I could handle the 200mg. I thought males did a lot more than that? If I could still put on mass at 200mg then I'll stick with that dose.

I just like using test because I feel awesome on it. I thought it had to be used for building mass until someone told me for women, test wasn't really necessary, for the reasons you've stated.

And, I've got some leftover winny and Masteron that I don't know what to do with; guess I can save it until I cut again.

[bchabs6]

First post, but I've been lurking for awhile now and read just about everything you post. Very informative for someone who has never used AAS like myself.

In no way am I considering using Tren on my first cycle (done enough research to know better the that), but I do have a question.

I've heard and seen many people claim people to only gain 10 lbs while on cycle, but they essentially have lost 20 lbs of fat while gaining 30 of muscle (or so they say).

Would this be done while on a cutting diet? Because I know another person while on cycle put on tons of weight, had essentially 0 aesthetics and looked like a bowling ball. I assumed this would be on a heavy bulking diet. Just not sure what kind of diet is used for someone in the first scenario.

Thanks for any help.

[Atomini]

The person in your first scenario was likely adhering to a strictly clean diet, likely a small caloric surplus, and/or the person must have been a beginner or at least not yet very experienced with cycling AAS. The reason I say this is because beginners will always be able to shred fat while gaining mass. This is much harder for an experienced user to do. It also requires extremely strict nutritional guidelines. Generally, a cutting diet will not provide sufficient calories to add mass. In order to add mass, one must be in a caloric surplus. To burn fat, one must be in a caloric deficit. The person in your second scenario just sounds like they were eating like crap and perhaps not training properly either.

[RyanGreg]

Can you please link me to a website to buy caber please..

[bchabs6]

The person in your first scenario was likely adhering to a strictly clean diet, likely a small caloric surplus, and/or the person must have been a beginner or at least not yet very experienced with cycling AAS. The reason I say this is because beginners will always be able to shred fat while gaining mass. This is much harder for an experienced user to do. It also requires extremely strict nutritional guidelines. Generally, a cutting diet will not provide sufficient calories to add mass. In order to add mass, one must be in a caloric surplus. To burn fat, one must be in a caloric deficit. The person in your second scenario just sounds like they were eating like crap and perhaps not training properly either.

Thank you for the response. I know Tren is powerful, I just wasn't sure if it was actually such a powerful cutting agent that you can drop that much fat while still putting on solid mass.

This clears it up for me though.

[Atomini]

Thank you for the response. I know Tren is powerful, I just wasn't sure if it was actually such a powerful cutting agent that you can drop that much fat while still putting on solid mass.

This clears it up for me though.

The truth is that Tren does have the ability to lower bodyfat while putting on mass. But these claims of dropping like 20 lbs. of bodyfat while putting on 30 lbs. of muscle is just a ludicrous claim. Tren can make you lose 20 lbs. of fat, yes, but only if it is a STRICT cutting diet and with a diet like that there is no room for mass building. 30 lbs. of muscle? That's not even possible even when bulking.

What a more realistic result would be if you're trying to burn fat AND put muscle on at the same with with Tren would be: 5-10 lbs. of bodyfat and 10-15 lbs of muscle simultaneously for a beginner-intermediate user. If you're a more experienced advanced AAS user, then I would say those numbers would look more like: 5-10 lbs. of bodyfat and 5 lbs of muscle.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

OK, what about those three-in-one blends of tren a, tren e and tren h? Would that give more dramatic results or is it not necessary?

[Atomini]

Totally unnecessary, especially for a female. Stick to one type for ease of administration and timing, etc.

[Bouch]

atomini thanks for such an informational thread, you mention that you like masteron as the only other AAS. How would you add it to a test/tren cycle?

[Bulkn]

Also, when running a test e tren e cycle, should you continue to pin the test a week or 2 after tren is finished to make sure the tren is out your system?

[Atomini]

atomini thanks for such an informational thread, you mention that you like masteron as the only other AAS. How would you add it to a test/tren cycle?

400mg per week of Masteron thrown on top of Test and Tren would be ideal. But what you have to understand is that it is mostly a cosmetic compound, meaning its effects manifest itself through giving your body that harder denser 3D look to your muscles. This can only happen at a low enough bodyfat, of course. It's a compound that is most useful to competing bodybuilders. To the average recreational AAS user, there isn't a whole lot of benefit to using it other than for its ability to hinder SHBG and act as a mild aromatase inhibitor. Through these 2 abilities, it can potentiate the effect of other steroids stacked with it.

Also, when running a test e tren e cycle, should you continue to pin the test a week or 2 after tren is finished to make sure the tren is out your system?

My personal preference is to halt everything at the same time and I like to advise others of doing the same thing, though this practice is mostly a personal preference issue. It really doesn't matter either way but when you terminate your cycle, I believe its optimal to halt everything and begin the recovery process ASAP rather than screw around with running compounds for lingering weeks after other compounds have been halted, etc... it just delays your recovery process. I believe in halting everything all at once, as the quicker you get off the quicker you recover. Suppression is suppression, and it remains so even with exogenous test still in your system. To me, the concept of keeping test going for a week or 2 after halting tren is as an outmoted idea as tapering off AAS rather than halting administration immediately and doing PCT , which is of course what they did in the old days. Best to just stop everything at the same time.

[Bouch]

400mg per week of Masteron thrown on top of Test and Tren would be ideal. But what you have to understand is that it is mostly a cosmetic compound, meaning its effects manifest itself through giving your body that harder denser 3D look to your muscles. This can only happen at a low enough bodyfat, of course. It's a compound that is most useful to competing bodybuilders. To the average recreational AAS user, there isn't a whole lot of benefit to using it other than for its ability to hinder SHBG and act as a mild aromatase inhibitor. Through these 2 abilities, it can potentiate the effect of other steroids stacked with it.

My personal preference is to halt everything at the same time and I like to advise others of doing the same thing, though this practice is mostly a personal preference issue. It really doesn't matter either way but when you terminate your cycle, I believe its optimal to halt everything and begin the recovery process ASAP rather than screw around with running compounds for lingering weeks after other compounds have been halted, etc... it just delays your recovery process. I believe in halting everything all at once, as the quicker you get off the quicker you recover. Suppression is suppression, and it remains so even with exogenous test still in your system. To me, the concept of keeping test going for a week or 2 after halting tren is as an outmoted idea as tapering off AAS rather than halting administration immediately and doing PCT , which is of course what they did in the old days. Best to just stop everything at the same time.

I can get ahold of masteron e 150. Would 300mg/week suffice? And does it do anything at a lower dose say 150mg/week?

My stack would look like this:
Week 1-10 test e 250 1ml 2x/wk = 500mg
Week1-5 tren hex 150 .75ml 2x/wk = 225mg
Week 6-8 tren hex 150 .5ml 2x/wk = 150mg
Week 6-10 masteron e 150 .5ml 2x/wk = 150mg
Week 4-11 L-dex 0.25mg EOD

Pct
Novla
40/40/20/30
Clomid
70/35/35/35

Would this be an efficient stack? I am thinking these doses to keep the pin to 2ml max and since I want to stretch out the tren as long as possible. I could only get one 10ml vial of the tren hex and masteron 150.

[Castor87]

I was looking at doing a cycle or prop/tren-a

Weeks 1-8: 125mg prop/wk
Weeks 1-6: 300mg tren/wk

I have been reading a lot about short burst cycles (2-4 weeks in length) and am very interested in their ability to reduce sides and promote a quicker recovery. I usually get horrible sides when on cycle, and recovery usually takes me months even when on test only. I've done 2 cycles in the past, this will be my first with tren however and I haven't gone above 400mg/week of test. How would you recommend running tren in a short cycle at a low dose? The only readings I can find about these short cycles usually have test and tren at about 400-600mg/wk each... I'd like to do a 4 week run, however I'm worried about going to this high of a dose especially since I respond to gear very easily. I also don't like being on and off for long periods of time but do not wish to blast and cruise, I'm 24, 5'5 and compete on stage at ~160lbs. I've done 8 shows in my past and am currently preparing for the IFBB Australian Nationals next year.

[Atomini]

I wouldn't run Masteron at anything lower than 400mg/week. I don't like to call it 'weaker' or more 'mild' but it is more effective at higher doses and you won't see much from it at doses as low as 150mg/week, you'd be wasting your money.

[Lunk1]

I wouldn't run Masteron at anything lower than 400mg/week. I don't like to call it 'weaker' or more 'mild' but it is more effective at higher doses and you won't see much from it at doses as low as 150mg/week, you'd be wasting your money.

I agree A. Mast between 500-700 with a tren/test cycle is really the sweet spot. Love how mast really assists tren during the cycle!

[lovbyts]

I wouldn't run Masteron at anything lower than 400mg/week. I don't like to call it 'weaker' or more 'mild' but it is more effective at higher doses and you won't see much from it at doses as low as 150mg/week, you'd be wasting your money.

I agree A. Mast between 500-700 with a tren/test cycle is really the sweet spot. Love how mast really assists tren during the cycle!

That being said what (if anything) would you recommend for an AI and how much?

[Bouch]

I wouldn't run Masteron at anything lower than 400mg/week. I don't like to call it 'weaker' or more 'mild' but it is more effective at higher doses and you won't see much from it at doses as low as 150mg/week, you'd be wasting your money.

Thanks for the input. How many ml total do you think is ok to pin at one time? I use glutes and delts

[Atomini]

I personally have never and wouldnt ever do more than 2ml in delts (though I do know people who have done 3ml there). Glutes no more than 3ml.

[mockery]

omfg i hate prami... i have to deal with this for at least 14 days before it gets better...

if i wasnt on such a tight budget id so order some caber from CMS

[Until_It_Sleeps]

Would women benefit from caber? Do we have to worry about prolactin?

[bistbrah]

if i were to run a cycle (8wks) 250mg/wk tren a and 100 test p would u pin 2 or 3 X /wk?

[Atomini]

Would women benefit from caber? Do we have to worry about prolactin?

Nope, not necessarily. If you end up having rising prolactin levels, as a female, you are going to start lactating. If you don't want this, then it may be beneficial for you to use Caber. If you haven't seen this at the doses of Tren you're running, then I wouldn't be concerned - Tren is likely not causing prolactin increases (or at least increases that are not significant enough to cause lactation).

if i were to run a cycle (8wks) 250mg/wk tren a and 100 test p would u pin 2 or 3 X /wk?

Any compounds with the following esters: Acetate, Propionate, Phenylpropionate, Formate must be injected every other day if you wish to maintain optimal stable blood plasma levels.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

[QUOTE=Atomini;6241259]Nope, not necessarily. If you end up having rising prolactin levels, as a female, you are going to start lactating. If you don't want this, then it may be beneficial for you to use Caber. If you haven't seen this at the doses of Tren you're running, then I wouldn't be concerned - Tren is likely not causing prolactin increases (or at least increases that are not significant enough to cause lactation).

Funny story...I nursed two babies for a few years each, and continued producing milk years after I had stopped. It wasn't until I started using test - when my youngest child was five - that the milk production stopped. Bummer, because I know a lot of guys who are into that. Though I think the implants, striated delts and 8-pack abs might be a bit much to handle in addition to the leaky boobs.

I'm tempted to ask if I could start lactating again if I used more tren, but I imagine with the lactation there would be other side effects I do not want.

[Atomini]

And what about Sustanon? better than test prop to mix with tren en?

And i have ADHD. That means my brain produce less dopamine than normal, does that mean i really have to use Cabergoline the same time?

I am asking because i have started my first cycle with trenbolone en. And i did take 360mg the first week.
the second week i took 360mg tren en, 250mg sustanon, and a couple of russians(not thai). And 5 hour later i went to the gym and 2.5 hour after that i had BP 166/100 and my pulse was 118. 16-18 hour later my BP was 158/93 and my pulse was 108. What does that mean. To much juice at once?

And what about (thai russians, blue hearts) Danabol DS, 10mg. from a pharmacy in Thailand?
Is it good too mix tren en with that?

This is probably a stupid question: But what about human growth hormone, can i mix that in the same cycle as tren en. And if i can, will i double the results?

Yes you can use Sustanon with Trenbolone, but I wouldn't reccomend it. I don't like blends and i've made this clear in other posts on here. I like to be in full control of my half-lives and ratios when using something, and blends just throw this off way too much. It is ultimately an issue of personal preference but it's becoming more and more clear that things like Sustanon and Test 400, etc. are just not very good because of their requirement for weird dosing schedules and shooting blood plasma levels of the hormones all over the place. Sustanon and blends need to be shot EOD, but with the longer esters in the mix, it just gets too rediculous. I like to keep things simple and stick to a single ester of whatever i'm using, and I reccomend the same to others. So I say if you are going to use Trenbolone Enanthate, just stack it with Testosterone Enanthate. You can also use Testosterone Propionate with Trenbolone Enanthate, but having two Enanthates at the same time is just more compatible.

I believe Cabergoline should be run with Trenbolone, doesn't matter if you have ADHD or not. It won't do anything in relation to your ADHD, as Cabergoline does not increase dopamine but it acts on dopamine receptors. It is also safe to take with dopamine-increasing drugs such as Adderall, but beware it may reduce the effectiveness of things like Adderall.

Although Trenbolone has been shown in some users to increase blood pressure, your blood pressure issue is likely from water retention from the Testosterone and Dianabol you were using with the Trenbolone. My advice is to run an Aromatase Inhibitor with your cycle to eliminate water retention and thereby eliminate blood pressure spikes.

Yes, you can stack Dianabol with Trenbolone. But keep the aromatization issue in mind.

HGH can also be stacked with Trenbolone and can actually potentiate its effects via IGF-1 increases.

Funny story...I nursed two babies for a few years each, and continued producing milk years after I had stopped. It wasn't until I started using test - when my youngest child was five - that the milk production stopped. Bummer, because I know a lot of guys who are into that. Though I think the implants, striated delts and 8-pack abs might be a bit much to handle in addition to the leaky boobs.

I'm tempted to ask if I could start lactating again if I used more tren, but I imagine with the lactation there would be other side effects I do not want.

That's funny... and yes i'm well aware that there are many guys out there who are into lactating breasts. I wouldn't reccomend attempting to lactate by increasing your Trenbolone dose, as you will increase the risk of side effects associated with Tren itself. If you really want to lactate again, you can talk to your doctor about prescribing you Progesterone and that should do the job. The thing about that, though, is that Progesterone's function is to prepare the uterus for the reception and development of the fertilized oocyte by inducing transformation of the endometrium from the proliferative to the secretory stage. It is used as a progestational agent in the treatment of dysfunctional uterine bleeding and abnormalities of the menstrual cycle, as part of postmenopausal hormone replacement therapy, as a test for endogenous estrogen production, and as an adjunct in infertility therapy. So it may also have other effects you might not desire.

[Until_It_Sleeps]

I've only used tren for cutting so I never noticed the huge strength increase. Does that only happen during bulking, or with a higher dose would I notice more strength on less food?

[Atomini]

That being said what (if anything) would you recommend for an AI and how much?

Aromasin (AKA Exemestane) at 12.5mg EOD (or ED, depending on the user's sensitivity to aromatizations).

I've only used tren for cutting so I never noticed the huge strength increase. Does that only happen during bulking, or with a higher dose would I notice more strength on less food?

Yes, it only applies to bulking. Since strength results from an increased number of muscle fibers grown, that growth must be facilitated with the calories necessary to support growth (a caloric surplus). Without a caloric surplus, little/no new muscle can be constructed. This is why it is very difficult to gain strength (or mass) while on a caloric deficit no matter the strength of the anabolic steroid you are using. Strength and mass gains are dependant on your diet (and training), not on the compound used.

[lovbyts]

Aromasin (AKA Exemestane) at 12.5mg EOD (or ED, depending on the user's sensitivity to aromatizations).

thats what I have but probably need more. DAMN it's $$$ though It seems some like Prami with tren.? What do you think about prami for Test/tren/Mast?

I know I'm sensitive. Just with a low dose test/tren I went up to 950 E2 but had not real sides besides lack luster gains.

[Atomini]

thats what I have but probably need more. DAMN it's $$$ though It seems some like Prami with tren.? What do you think about prami for Test/tren/Mast?

I know I'm sensitive. Just with a low dose test/tren I went up to 950 E2 but had not real sides besides lack luster gains.

People use Prami with Tren usually because they don't have access to or can't find Caber. I'm sure there are probably some who enjoy Prami over Caber. Either way, you can use Prami or Caber as they both do the same things.

[Lunk1]

Prami does tend to be easier to obtain but I would prefer Caber as I think there are less negetive sides and a cpl worth while benifits lol.

Byts as long as you know your not prone to 19nor sides then 12.5 EOD is plenty. I also believe this to be dose dependant. Don't forget that the Mast is also a mild AI although I would NEVER count on it by it's self!

I for one prefer Aro over Adex when using 19nors. Adex is ok with basic test cycles or test and oral cycles but the suicide inhibiting Aro is imo better when using Tren or Deca!

[lovbyts]

Prami does tend to be easier to obtain but I would prefer Caber as I think there are less negetive sides and a cpl worth while benifits lol.

Byts as long as you know your not prone to 19nor sides then 12.5 EOD is plenty. I also believe this to be dose dependant. Don't forget that the Mast is also a mild AI although I would NEVER count on it by it's self!

I for one prefer Aro over Adex when using 19nors. Adex is ok with basic test cycles or test and oral cycles but the suicide inhibiting Aro is imo better when using Tren or Deca!

Yup exactly so that is why I'm asking and going to have to be careful because I'm physically not sensitive to things (high pain tolerance) so I dont always notice when something is wrong. I'm the type that will see blood on the floor and have to start looking for where I cut myself. lol

When I did a test/tren cycle and had my blood work done my E2 was WAY high, 395 but as said I didnt feel anything weird. I will of course also do blood work to check again a few weeks into it.

[lovbyts]

Yup exactly so that is why I'm asking and going to have to be careful because I'm physically not sensitive to things (high pain tolerance) so I dont always notice when something is wrong. I'm the type that will see blood on the floor and have to start looking for where I cut myself. lol

When I did a test/tren cycle and had my blood work done my E2 was WAY high, 395 but as said I didnt feel anything weird. I will of course also do blood work to check again a few weeks into it.

Just wanted to do a bump to see if there were any comments about last weeks above post since it got sidetracked by the testosterone to grow your pecker post. LOL

[shanebrock93]

Hey Atomini,

since I've read your posts a lot and I guess I can make it out that you have a good knowledge about steriods. One question I need to ask you out of curiosity is that if a 19 year old does a cycle of Tren Ace or just Test Prop, aside from all the bodybuilding results, can he make any growth in his penis? I need to grow mine, so just be straight to the point, if not what should I do? I am not looking to cycle steriods just for penile growth, so just asking?

[Lunk1]

Hey Atomini,

since I've read your posts a lot and I guess I can make it out that you have a good knowledge about steriods. One question I need to ask you out of curiosity is that if a 19 year old does a cycle of Tren Ace or just Test Prop, aside from all the bodybuilding results, can he make any growth in his penis? I need to grow mine, so just be straight to the point, if not what should I do? I am not looking to cycle steriods just for penile growth, so just asking?

IF this is a serious question the answer is that NO AAS will grow your penis. It's not a muscle!

[Tron3219]

IF this is a serious question the answer is that NO AAS will grow your penis. It's not a muscle!

Bahahahahahhahahahahaha hang a 10 pound weight from it and stretch it out

[Lunk1]

Bahahahahahhahahahahaha hang a 10 pound weight from it and stretch it out

This ? "comes up" lol once every week or so lol. If tren grew your penis I wouldnt be able to leave the house without the door slamming on it behind me lol