You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks Ron. Of course your right. Even if it was safe, the chances of a supplier turning bad and selling fakes and what they might contain makes it a scary prospect indeed. She will just have to hang in there with the diet and training for now. There will be plenty of time afterwards for the next level. BTW the baby and Ds are doing great!! This is already better than I ever imagined!

There's nothing that compares to being a childs father. I knew you would make an excellent dad!

[Jessepinkman]

thanks for the informational post brother. A lot of info to take in best to read a couple of time to really absorb everything..

[Ronnie Rowland]

Just wanted to say to everyone thanks for your patients. I am tied down with work and completing a book on health and fitness. It's very tedious and time consuming. By the time I get through with work,etc I have very little spare time to write. It's a big project! That's the reason I have not been on the boards lately but that will change in the near future..

[Yellow]

Just wanted to say to everyone thanks for your patients. I am tied down with work and completing a book on health and fitness. It's very tedious and time consuming. By the time I get through with work,etc I have very little spare time to write. It's a big project! That's the reason I have not been on the boards lately but that will change in the near future..

We don't mind at all, Ron..

We all want to thank you very much for a lot of priceless & awesome knowledges, experiences, advices & recommendations from you..

Good luck with the book, Ron.. When is it going to be published?

[Ronnie Rowland]

We don't mind at all, Ron..

We all want to thank you very much for a lot of priceless & awesome knowledges, experiences, advices & recommendations from you..

Good luck with the book, Ron.. When is it going to be published?

Well, originally I was going to go with Golds Gym for publishing but the lady who is editing my book said my baby has turned into an elephant..lol..Meaning I am going through an agent/ publisher so it can be a part of every gym. My goal in writing the book is to the help all gyms members and personal trainers make the best decisions possible to accomplish their goals. We bodybuilders are in the minority. My book deals with the other 90 percent looking to lose weight and tone up. There's a lot of misinformation out there and my wife and I both are writing this book to help the masses. Obesity and low testosterone levels are epedemic for both
male and female. This book is not about bodybuilding but everyone on this board will be able to learn some very important things about hiw to improve the quality and quantity of their life. Not sure when it will be out but My wife and I are very excited!

[feely73]

Awesome info...Thanks!

[Crazy Chris]

Ron, I've got an interesting question for you.

I've been thinking of half lifes of steroids and how much that's really still active in your body after a reload.

Example:
If I take 400 mg of test c e3d I get 19 shots in 8 weeks. And with the halflife of test c I would still have about 2.300 mg that's still active on sunday at week 8.
Whith that in mind, is it really necessary to take anything at all during two weeks of deload?

I'm sure that it's not that simple, but still.. it makes me wonder :-)

[Hulk1457]

Im trying to put together a 20 week slingshot cycle and wanted to see some input on what you guys think.

I am:
5' 7''
210lbs
BF: 14% ish


Goal:
Im wanting to cut and get my body fat down under 10%

MY GEAR
Test E: 300mg x 50ml
Anavar: 25mg x 180ml
Tren: 100mg x 20ml

Re
1-8 Test E 600mg
1-3 Anavar 60mg ED
4-8 Anavar 90mg ED

De
9-10 Test E 250mg
9-10 HCG

Re
11-18 Test E 600mg
11-18Tren 50mg EOD

De
19-20 Test E 250mg
19-20 HCG

Should i use my Anavar in my first reload or use tren first then use Anavar is my second reload?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Im trying to put together a 20 week slingshot cycle and wanted to see some input on what you guys think.

I am:
5' 7''
210lbs
BF: 14% ish


Goal:
Im wanting to cut and get my body fat down under 10%

MY GEAR
Test E: 300mg x 50ml
Anavar: 25mg x 180ml
Tren: 100mg x 20ml

Re
1-8 Test E 600mg
1-3 Anavar 60mg ED
4-8 Anavar 90mg ED

De
9-10 Test E 250mg
9-10 HCG

Re
11-18 Test E 600mg
11-18Tren 50mg EOD

De
19-20 Test E 250mg
19-20 HCG

Should i use my Anavar in my first reload or use tren first then use Anavar is my second reload?

Wait and use tren on second reload because it's more powerful..

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, I've got an interesting question for you.

I've been thinking of half lifes of steroids and how much that's really still active in your body after a reload.

Example:
If I take 400 mg of test c e3d I get 19 shots in 8 weeks. And with the halflife of test c I would still have about 2.300 mg that's still active on sunday at week 8.
Whith that in mind, is it really necessary to take anything at all during two weeks of deload?

I'm sure that it's not that simple, but still.. it makes me wonder :-)

Technically you would not have to take anything for two weeks, but we have learned over the years that you will perform better mentally, physically and sexually by keeping test levels more steady with weekly injections during deloads.

[Crazy Chris]

Technically you would not have to take anything for two weeks, but we have learned over the years that you will perform better mentally, physically and sexually by keeping test levels more steady with weekly injections during deloads.

Thanks Ron. That makes sense. I'll keep the TRT dose during deloads.

[mannychains]

Great info!
Gotta take time to read it slowly.
And figure out how long to stay off after
Deload cycle. Also where r u guys buying
Ur stuff? I found some for sell on ebay

[>Good Luck<]

Great info!
Gotta take time to read it slowly.
And figure out how long to stay off after
Deload cycle. Also where r u guys buying
Ur stuff? I found some for sell on ebay

Don't ask for sources. Youll get scammed or busted by the cops or worse.. BANNED FROM THE SITE!

[mannychains]

>good luck<
More like good looking out
Thanks bro

[matcos]

First of all congratulations for your topic.I'm 40 years old and I have almost never used steroids.I would like to make a first cycle to build lean mass.I'm 185cm. and weight 95kg with 15% bf. Could you advise me your ideal cycle for my condition. infinite la grateful. I've got low testosterone and high prolactina and cortisol.
Matteo

[Ronnie Rowland]

First of all congratulations for your topic.I'm 40 years old and I have almost never used steroids.I would like to make a first cycle to build lean mass.I'm 185cm. and weight 95kg with 15% bf. Could you advise me your ideal cycle for my condition. infinite la grateful. I've got low testosterone and high prolactina and cortisol.
Matteo

You need testosterone and cabergoline for starters.

[mockery]

Hey Ronnie, i think you have missed this question over the years, maybe on purpose? i wanna ask it and hopefully u can help.

with the slingshot method. and being a year out from the next show, staying on for a year using the reload and deload then changing everything for the final 12 weeks. what do you do with the second 20 week cycle?

example if you go from testosterone 750mg x 8 weeks, 250mgx 2 weeks then 1.5g x 8 weeks 250mg x 2 weeks.
how would you start the next 8 weeks? would it have to be doubled again from 1.5g to 3g weekly? or would you start again at 750mg or even go to 1g ?

or strangely enough would you do something like keep test a cruise dose and do 20 weeks with high amounts of primo being the lead compound?

Doing 40 weeks is new to me, and there doesn't seem to be any info on it.

Thanks again in advance for all your great work and help.

[kml999]

Dear Ron,
after a 20wk STS cycle i did pct and just did my blood work yesterday. the test was done 2 months after my last dose of pct and here are the results that i would like you to comment on:

Total Test: 5.17 (2.8-11)
Estradiol: 26 (11-44)
Prolactin: 1.93 (3.46-19.4)
Progesterone: 0.4 (<0.1-0.2) <--------this is above range!
LH: 6.69 (0.57-12.07)
FSH: 3.79 (0.95-11.95)

everything seems to be normal and the tests show i've recovered, but from where did the progesterone come from? how can i lower it? should i take caber and a small dose of aromasin for 2wks? let me know on what i should do and yea i'm off cycle!

[LbforLb152]

Great stuff. Did a killer workout somewhat like that called 5,3,1 my first year of serious bodybuilding, even though I haven't ran a cycle They really bring on mass and density. Anyways cool read!

[LbforLb152]

Great stuff. Did a killer workout somewhat like that called 5,3,1 my first year of serious bodybuilding, even though I haven't ran a cycle They really bring on mass and density. Anyways cool read!

[ironmanjames]

this method sounds great and i am looking forward to trying it. just wanna make sure i got it right..
for example:
RELOAD:
1-4: 40mg dbol ED
1-8: 700mg Test E
1-8: 500mg Deca

DELOAD:
9-10: 300mg Test e
9-10: 100mg deca

RELOAD:
11-18: 900mg Test e
11-18: 500mg deca

does this sound about right?
also after the second reload could i go back to a short 6-8 weeks low dose cruise, for example:
1-6: 300mg test e
1-6: 100mg deca
i plan to keep 100mg of deca as a base for joints as i my joints seem to always have issues.

and then do another reload, deload, reload.

so what i have planned is something like this:
Reload 8 weeks
deload 2 weeks
reload 8 weeks
cruise 6-8 weeks
repeat

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron,
I've been looking at this stuff for some time now and wondering if you had any experience/knowledge about the pros & cons, dosing, results, etc.

From what I gather it's injectable Dbol /Anadrol 25 mg per ml. How would this effect your liver, given that these 2 compounds are some of the harshest on the liver when taken orally. Also, what would be a good dose given that I've taken both in excess of 100 mg ed? Would you need or want to be injecting 4 ml per day? Holy Hell!! Not to mention test/mast or whatever else you were running with it!!

Another thing, what's the EO stand for? Some type of oil I'd imagine...

This stuff is really got my interest since it seems you could keep doses down, probably run it longer, get that fantastic growth you get from Anadrol/Dbol and probably retain more of it due to the extended run time, all while doing minimal damage to your liver.

Any thoughts?

[SLJohn]

I'm excited to try this slingshot method NOW, but just came off a 12 week cycle 13 days ago. I was going to start PCT tomorrow, but after reading this, want to start another 8 weeks now! My 12 week cycle was only 300ish mg/week Test E only (because my hair starts shedding if I do more than 350ish even with finesteride). After asking buddies around, they say it's def OK to do another 8 weeks since I've been on such a low dose? Some of them have been on TestE for YEARS!? I'll be able to bounce back with proper PCT no problems either way since I'm on Test E only? <- what buddies are telling me, but I'd love to hear it from guys on the forums too.

Thanks again in advance for the help.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'm excited to try this slingshot method NOW, but just came off a 12 week cycle 13 days ago. I was going to start PCT tomorrow, but after reading this, want to start another 8 weeks now! My 12 week cycle was only 300ish mg/week Test E only (because my hair starts shedding if I do more than 350ish even with finesteride). After asking buddies around, they say it's def OK to do another 8 weeks since I've been on such a low dose? Some of them have been on TestE for YEARS!? I'll be able to bounce back with proper PCT no problems either way since I'm on Test E only? <- what buddies are telling me, but I'd love to hear it from guys on the forums too.

Thanks again in advance for the help.

You will ounce back no problem with proper pct. Anavar is a good addition to test if you have hair loss.

[SLJohn]

I'm excited to try this slingshot method NOW, but just came off a 12 week cycle 13 days ago. I was going to start PCT tomorrow, but after reading this, want to start another 8 weeks now! My 12 week cycle was only 300ish mg/week Test E only (because my hair starts shedding if I do more than 350ish even with finesteride). After asking buddies around, they say it's def OK to do another 8 weeks since I've been on such a low dose? Some of them have been on TestE for YEARS!? I'll be able to bounce back with proper PCT no problems either way since I'm on Test E only? <- what buddies are telling me, but I'd love to hear it from guys on the forums too.

Thanks again in advance for the help.

You will ounce back no problem with proper pct. Anavar is a good addition to test if you have hair loss.

Ronnie, I took your advise and tried another 8 week reload after already doing a 12 week cycle and a 2 deload... The reload def works! However, I'm ready to come off NOW as I've had severe, uncomfortable testicular atrophy. It's freaking me out. My last Test E shot was Sunday, Dec 15. What PCT plan to you recommend? I took a pin of HCG last night, but have no more HCG left (bummed a friends last bit). I have nolva and clomid on hand. Please excuse my ignorance on the matter. Thanks in advance for the help.

[NotTheSame]

Ok i have a few questions if you have time to answer.

Firstly, as someone who has never used AAS's what is the best way to approach this type of training. I read earlier you said its fine for beginners (as in first time users) but how exactly should i approach it.
Everything i read has told me as a beginner a 12 week cycle with two week gap then a 4 week PCT (planning on running Test E). And that PCT is a time for recovery, much like your deload phases.

But how do i work this in this method? 8 weeks of cycling will take me to a deload phase but by the time the test levels are down to an appropriate level to do a pct ( two weeks after last injection roughly) its time to re load again. Everything else i've read (on these forums too) has told me to reduce workload on a pct. So how can i work in a suitable cycle for someone with my experience into this type of training? I'm just not sure how to set out the cycle week by week using this kind of training.

I'm sure you've answered this or a similar question somewhere in this thread but its 100 pages long. Sorry to ask it again if you have.


Secondly, do you still believe in only taking AI's when needed oppose to as a proactive measure like you mentioned earlier in the thread?

Cheers.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ok i have a few questions if you have time to answer.

Firstly, as someone who has never used AAS's what is the best way to approach this type of training. I read earlier you said its fine for beginners (as in first time users) but how exactly should i approach it.
Everything i read has told me as a beginner a 12 week cycle with two week gap then a 4 week PCT (planning on running Test E). And that PCT is a time for recovery, much like your deload phases.

But how do i work this in this method? 8 weeks of cycling will take me to a deload phase but by the time the test levels are down to an appropriate level to do a pct ( two weeks after last injection roughly) its time to re load again. Everything else i've read (on these forums too) has told me to reduce workload on a pct. So how can i work in a suitable cycle for someone with my experience into this type of training? I'm just not sure how to set out the cycle week by week using this kind of training.

I'm sure you've answered this or a similar question somewhere in this thread but its 100 pages long. Sorry to ask it again if you have.


Secondly, do you still believe in only taking AI's when needed oppose to as a proactive measure like you mentioned earlier in the thread?

Cheers.

You need to o a 20 week Slingshot cycle consisting of 2 reloads and 2 deloads then pct. Never take more drugs than are needed and that certainly applies to anti- es. Keep them on hand in case you need them. Everyone reacts different.

[lynxeffect1]

ron is 4 to 5 iu of generic hgh 5 times a week worth taking ? or is it too low a dose since its generic ?

[DawgHouse]

replying to get my posts up to 25... using stickies so it doesn't disturb others...

[The Titan99]

replying to get my posts up to 25... using stickies so it doesn't disturb others...

There are thousands of guy's subbed on Ron's thread. You couldn't have picked a worse one if not disturbing was your goal.

[>Good Luck<]

replying to get my posts up to 25... using stickies so it doesn't disturb others...

25 posts won't do shit...start welcoming members or go to the whoring threads

[mockery]

Hey Ron hope you and the wife are well.

When a trainee uses static De-conditioning and takes a week off every 8-9 weeks. How can this be used with deloads? , because of life i had to take a week off here in week 7 and i start delaod next week. just do the deload as usual?

but next time when should i use the week off ?

week 9
week 10
week 11? these three weeks probably look like the best on paper, maybe week 11 being the best??

Thanks in advance

[>Good Luck<]

Is this correct that we should take protein as per our lean body mass and not for fat i.e (if a guy is 200 lbs and his body fat is 15% as per his bodyfat his 30 lbs are fat and other 170 lbs are lean body mass and he should take protein for 170 lbs only and not for another 30 lbs which are fat and then his protein intake if he take 1.5 gms per pound it should be then lbm*1.5= 255grm of protein daily is this correct or not or we should take protein as per over overall body mass which contain fat also

Dont feed the fat!

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

[>Good Luck<]

Ronnie, I took your advise and tried another 8 week reload after already doing a 12 week cycle and a 2 deload... The reload def works! However, I'm ready to come off NOW as I've had severe, uncomfortable testicular atrophy. It's freaking me out. My last Test E shot was Sunday, Dec 15. What PCT plan to you recommend? I took a pin of HCG last night, but have no more HCG left (bummed a friends last bit). I have nolva and clomid on hand. Please excuse my ignorance on the matter. Thanks in advance for the help.

I know ronnie is very busy lately so ill try to help as much as I can, and ron will help when he comes around im sure.

Since it seems you havent run hcg on cycle I wouldsay you need to blast hch as soon as possible. You should be using 2500iu eod for 3 weeks. Generally, when using test e, you need to wait 18 days from last pin to start pct. I would run the hcg as mentioned immediately, for 3 weeks and 18 days from dec 15, I would run nolvadex 4 weeks at 40/20/20/20 & clomid for 4 weeks at 50/50/50/50

When I use that much hcg, I personally experience discomfort in the testes. Ejaculation relieves this discomfort for me. Daily or eod for me is enough relief.

Good luck

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

[SLJohn]

I know ronnie is very busy lately so ill try to help as much as I can, and ron will help when he comes around im sure.

Since it seems you havent run hcg on cycle I wouldsay you need to blast hch as soon as possible. You should be using 2500iu eod for 3 weeks. Generally, when using test e, you need to wait 18 days from last pin to start pct. I would run the hcg as mentioned immediately, for 3 weeks and 18 days from dec 15, I would run nolvadex 4 weeks at 40/20/20/20 & clomid for 4 weeks at 50/50/50/50

When I use that much hcg, I personally experience discomfort in the testes. Ejaculation relieves this discomfort for me. Daily or eod for me is enough relief.

Good luck

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

Thanks you for the prompt reply, Good Luck. I can't get any HCG though, don't have a source :-( I've ordered some HCGenerate which is the only similar I can find. HCG would be nice to find though.

[btrizzyb]

So I want to give your slingshot method a try! I will be doing 8 weeks of 200mg Test P/ 200mg of NPP EOD. Along with the proper HCG and Amirdex of course. I stop taking the test/npp for weeks 9 and 10, should I still continue hcg and amirdex though? For weeks 11-18 should I do the same as 1-8 or do you have a better recommendation for me? Do I need to go off cycle for 18 weeks then? Seems like a long time to be off.

[>Good Luck<]

Thanks you for the prompt reply, Good Luck. I can't get any HCG though, don't have a source :-( I've ordered some HCGenerate which is the only similar I can find. HCG would be nice to find though.

Where are you located?

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

[SLJohn]

baton rouge, la

Thanks!

-SLJohn

[>Good Luck<]

baton rouge, la

Thanks!

-SLJohn

Then you have many options. Domestic hcg sources are everywhere. Search google for hcg pregnyl

>good luck<
"He who can take advice is sometimes superior to those who give it"

[kml999]

Dear Ron,
i am having an increase in BP and increase in progesterone that i'm trying to lower. My cycle started with 100mg/wk of test e, 300mg/wk tren e, 200mg Mast E and 2IU of HGH 5 on 2 off. wanted to try the low test/high tren combo and how my body reacts to it. within two weeks my BP went sky high to 182. did blood work and my e2 was 250 (11-44) , progesterone 0.4 (<0.1-0.2), prolactin 0.6 (3.5-11). I was using Letro as an AI and 0.5mg of caber 2x/wk. So I Stopped the HGH and tren and bp went down to 152-160, which is still high. Doc prescribed me BP meds and they barely do much (temp usage until i get this issue resolved). Increased the letro for a few days then ran aromasin for 3 wks. Now i checked my E2 twice already after the incident and now its in range 10 (11-44), prolcatin is still low BUT progesterone is still out of range 0.3 (<0.1-0.2). My eyes got swell during my last cycle when i was trying Deca and im going through the same issue (eyes becoming swell because of increased bp), so i am sure the issue is from increased progesterone, but it doesnt want to go lower than 0.3 since the last 6 wks. currently i'm doing 250mg test e/wk and 12.5mg ED of Aromsin and my bp is still in 150-160 range. I did a long research on how to lower progesterone and it seems there are drugs out there that people didnt comment or try yet. I'm even taking 1000mg of vit c, B complex, Niacin, fish oil, UDCA, Mult Vit, amino acids and whey protein shakes.

As an extra note: Did Liver function test, lipid profile test and all were good.

how can i lower my Progesterone? cause i'm sure its the cause of my increased bp?!