You'll want to read this!

[frsttmer]

When doing the Deload is it ok to just do 1 shot of test a week for the 2 weeks,
As in
Deload
Week 1- 250mg( 1 shot)
Week 2- 250mg (1shot)

Or
Week 1- 125mg twice a week
Week 2- 125mg twice a week
Testosterone enanthate

[Ronnie Rowland]

when doing the deload is it ok to just do 1 shot of test a week for the 2 weeks,
as in
deload
week 1- 250mg( 1 shot) <do this version!
week 2- 250mg (1shot)

or
week 1- 125mg twice a week
week 2- 125mg twice a week
testosterone enanthate

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Sorry , yes i would do maximum 12 sets total per body part in that week. NOT twice a week.

1.) IS full body push pull training 4 times a week inferior to a 4 -5 day isolated body part split? In your experience?? YES! Twice a week body part
training should be done only to try and break a plateau on rare occasion. Once a week muscle group training is the way to go most of the time!
2.) You talk about twice a week training with a heavy day and regular day, Question about this!! If you are familiar with Brian Haycocks HST training that never really took off in the body building world but has some great principles. Instead of changing the volume in the same week, can i d0 1-2 weeks of high volume then switch to 1-2 weeks low volume etc. Using linear progression to always be adding more weight each session to my lifts untill i stall and have to reset? or is weekly UD superior? I think you are getting bodybuilding mixed up with power-lifting! You are not going to be able to keep going up in weight each week when training as a bodybuilder (going to good failure with moderate volume). You need to focus on pump and squeeze then add weight when applicable. HST sounds like more of a low volume/ power-building program, not bodybuilding like STS.

3.) I am doing 16/8 fasting for my lifestyle choice and carb cycling. And depletion training on my "low carb days" with in my carb cycling. Now with that said, When on a blast using your STS principles. can i still...

a.) fast 16 hours daily and have that 8 hour window to get calories in? Why are you fasting?

b.) Have 50g carbs( fibrous greens only) low days consecutively 3 days a week followed by a refeed and 3 moderate (maintenance carbs) Not good because your sugar levels are going to be very unstable! Either keep carbs around 150 daily on low carb day or go into ketosis.
4.) In terms of raising calories as i grow, while anabolic. How often should i be revamping my tdee? every .5 kg or 1 kg? of weight gained? or do i really have to dig deeper and only raise it based on "LBM" gained?

5.) The old school approach of being 500 calories over maintenance to grow, in your opinion using STS and Blasting for 1 year using body recomp principles how many calories over maintenance should i be trying to achieve?

6.) Looking a head for a year of my outline of anabolic use and was thinking of linear dosage and was wondering if you think these numbers would work , please bare with me if this makes me look like a chump.

Reload 1 450mg Test E & 400mg Masteron

Reload 2 600mg Test E & 600mg Masteron

Reload 3 750mg Test E & 700mg Masteron

Reload 4 900mg Test E & 800mg Masteron

Reload 5 1050mg Test E & 900mg Masteron

7.) With a year of reloads, is the 2 week deload enough to reset the myostatin protein further into the year i go? So if i was on my 3-4 reload is 2 weeks enough of a deload to clear myostatin?

8.) Your thoughts on static deconditioning while anabolic, am i wasting money and thinking like a monkey if i wanna do a static deconditioning say during the third Deload for 10 days?

9.) With Test and mast Reloads for a long period of time, what is the maximum Body fat % i should start my years anabolic and STS training journey at?


Thanks Alot Ronnie, this knowledge will go along way!!

finish this later got to run!

[frsttmer]

Awesome man, I'm in my first Deload now, and I'm pretty pumped about this. I already did the 250 in one shot, 1 more to go and then I reload. Which I am also pumped about.
Just wanted to make sure I made the right choice
Thx for the reply!

[600@50]

Hey Ronnie. I was rereading the first part of the Slingshot method and have a question on actual workouts. I'm a powerlifter and would like to know your opinion on the Westside Louis Simmons method of training. Specifically the 1 max effort workout and the 1 speed day workout per week for each lift. What are your thoughts on the multiple short rest 45-90 seconds between sets on speed day? Is this beneficial or too short of a rest period. Also Westside basically maxs out on some movement each week. Not necessarily the lift itself but something that is supposed to benefit the lift. It may be inclines or weighted dips for the bench press or just a max set of 6, 8 or 10 reps. Thanks man.

[Dtrain17]

My first ever cycle was going to be test at 500 like you said, my 2nd reload I was thinking Eq with it to help with appetite. Should I include masteron there too? Also if I was to do Adrol which decreases appetite w/ Eq which increases it, would that be an okay idea?

[Dtrain17]

Is there a big difference in having dextrose vs just gatorade for pwo?
Also a guy told me if you take "Dell" it can lower blood pressure if it increases on cycle or if you already have high BP, is this good or is there a different thing I should use? Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Sorry , yes i would do maximum 12 sets total per body part in that week. NOT twice a week.

1.) IS full body push pull training 4 times a week inferior to a 4 -5 day isolated body part split? In your experience??

2.) You talk about twice a week training with a heavy day and regular day, Question about this!! If you are familiar with Brian Haycocks HST training that never really took off in the body building world but has some great principles. Instead of changing the volume in the same week, can i d0 1-2 weeks of high volume then switch to 1-2 weeks low volume etc. Using linear progression to always be adding more weight each session to my lifts untill i stall and have to reset? or is weekly UD superior?

3.) I am doing 16/8 fasting for my lifestyle choice and carb cycling. And depletion training on my "low carb days" with in my carb cycling. Now with that said, When on a blast using your STS principles. can i still...

a.) fast 16 hours daily and have that 8 hour window to get calories in?

b.) Have 50g carbs( fibrous greens only) low days consecutively 3 days a week followed by a refeed and 3 moderate (maintenance carbs)

4.) In terms of raising calories as i grow, while anabolic. How often should i be revamping my tdee? every .5 kg or 1 kg? of weight gained? or do i really have to dig deeper and only raise it based on "LBM" gained?

5.) The old school approach of being 500 calories over maintenance to grow, in your opinion using STS and Blasting for 1 year using body recomp principles how many calories over maintenance should i be trying to achieve?

6.) Looking a head for a year of my outline of anabolic use and was thinking of linear dosage and was wondering if you think these numbers would work , please bare with me if this makes me look like a chump.

Reload 1 450mg Test E & 400mg Masteron

Reload 2 600mg Test E & 600mg Masteron

Reload 3 750mg Test E & 700mg Masteron

Reload 4 900mg Test E & 800mg Masteron

Reload 5 1050mg Test E & 900mg Masteron

7.) With a year of reloads, is the 2 week deload enough to reset the myostatin protein further into the year i go? I think so. So if i was on my 3-4 reload is 2 weeks enough of a deload to clear myostatin?

8.) Your thoughts on static deconditioning while anabolic, am i wasting money and thinking like a monkey if i wanna do a static deconditioning say during the third Deload for 10 days?

9.) With Test and mast Reloads for a long period of time, what is the maximum Body fat % i should start my years anabolic and STS training journey at? There is no specific number. Anabolics are effective if you are skinny or fat. I don't know who came up with the idea you need to be at a low level of body fat before begining steroids. It's simply not the case. When trying to lose body fat while gaining muscle you need to be on steroids regardless of body fat levels. If you try and lose body fat without steroids you will end up losing a lot of muscle!

Thanks Alot Ronnie, this knowledge will go along way!!

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[mockery]

Thanks for taking time to help educate me a little bit more.

not sure if you over looked this one by accident, in my wall of text but i want to put a order in in a few days and wanna make sure i have my numbers right.

6.) Looking a head for a year of my outline of anabolic use and was thinking of linear dosage and was wondering if you think these numbers would work , please bare with me if this makes me look like a chump.
Reload 1 450mg Test E & 400mg Masteron
Reload 2 600mg Test E & 600mg Masteron thinking of going 750mg test on this one instead.
Reload 3 750mg Test E & 700mg Masteron
Reload 4 900mg Test E & 800mg Masteron
Reload 5 1050mg Test E & 900mg Masteron

can you help shed some light on this? or does the second blast really need to be double of the first?

thanks again!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

BIG Thanks for taking the time to reply, but just one thing is not clear!

If i drop the eq, and add Masterone then should i increase the deca ? I would not recommend it because it will decrease libido-hence causing depression!
Thanks again!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,

If you were me and had only 2 carbs meals in low-carb day, what would you choose for the best time? The workout time is in the evening after finishing work at office (around 6 PM).
Breakfast and Post-Workout? or Breakfast and Pre-Workout? Breakfast and pre-workout would be better and add in a few fats pre-workout to keep from running out of energy..By not taking in carbs post-workout you will lose even more body fat!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

bigron...true or false...ectomorphs recovery is faster needing more training volume..and..endomorphs recovery slower.. needing higher reps .....and less training volume???? Somatotypes do not dictate one's recovery abilities. I compare that myth to the erroneous book written years back titled-"EAT ACCORDING TO YOUR BLOOD TYPE". What I often tell females I train is to eat according to their BUTT TYPE..If it's too FAT eat less and do more super lunges..If it's too FLAT eat more protein and do more super lunges! LOL

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie. I was rereading the first part of the Slingshot method and have a question on actual workouts. I'm a powerlifter and would like to know your opinion on the Westside Louis Simmons method of training. Specifically the 1 max effort workout and the 1 speed day workout per week for each lift. What are your thoughts on the multiple short rest 45-90 seconds between sets on speed day? The Westside Louis Simmons method for power-lifting is very good. The reason for the speed day using less rest time between sets has to do with building explosive power and strength endurance which helps with both coming out of the hole and being able to finish getting the weight up. For example, when doing bench presses you need explosive-power developed through speed training to get the bar off your chest and then you need strength-endurance by performing multiple short- rest- sets to continue pushing through with the movement when you hit a sticking point. is this beneficial or too short of a rest period. Also Westside basically maxs out on some movement each week. Not necessarily the lift itself but something that is supposed to benefit the lift. It may be inclines or weighted dips for the bench press or just a max set of 6, 8 or 10 reps. Thanks man.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

My first ever cycle was going to be test at 500 like you said, my 2nd reload I was thinking Eq with it to help with appetite. Should I include masteron there too? Yes include masteron and keep in test as well. Also if I was to do Adrol which decreases appetite w/ Eq which increases it, would that be an okay idea? No one can answer this question with accuracy. You will have to try it and see how it works for your body chemistry. Keep in mind EQ does not increase everyones appetite. I have seen some have a decrease in appetite. Also, some get extremely nauseated with anadrol while others are perfectly fine.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Is there a big difference in having dextrose vs just gatorade for pwo? Not at all. The whole post workout argument on which carbohydrate source is superior is simply a complete waste of time! And quite often it's governed towards trying to sell you a supplement. I prefer a banana just because it taste good. Sometimes I go with an apple. Also a guy told me if you take "Dell" it can lower blood pressure if it increases on cycle or if you already have high BP, is this good or is there a different thing I should use? Go with real food products for both post-workout carbs and post-workout protein! Thanks!

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[Yellow]

Hi Ron,
I think you missed my post regarding casein, egg, whey in the pages before : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...04#post6077704

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, What's your thoughts & opinions about casein protein (especially the two best & undenaturated form which are micellar casein & milk protein isolate)? Everyone can react different to various types of proteins-and this includes casein, whey and egg whites. You obviosuly need a protein source that prevents giving you excessive gas, irritable bowel syndrome, heart burn, stomach bloat while at the same time being low in cholesterol and affordable. Chewing meat takes time and most of us do not have the time or desire to chew meat 5-6 times per day not do we want the cholesterol contained there- in. Many protein powders on the market are also full of choleterol. Casein is very expensive and not regulated by the FDA so there's no guarantee what you are getting. I quit using all protein powders and rely mostly on liquid egg whites for my protein source and I have made better gains but some get gassed up from them and have to use them sparingly while relying more on other protein sources such as whey isolate protein mixed with fats. Liquid Egg whites are Cheaper than casein and have a 100% bioavailability. Bioavailability is a measure of how much of the protein’s aminos actually make it to the actual muscles themselves. A score of 100 means that the protein meets the amino acid and digestibility requirements for humans!


Although the digestion rate of liquid egg whites aren't as slow as casein, when you add in some fats (my preference is peanut butter)
it's released slower making it perfect for a continued supply of protein throughout the night. Obviously, you would skip the fats immediately following your workout. This rule applies to all protein sources- "adding some fats in there slows down the digestion rate". Also, you can do a mixture various proteins such as liquid egg whites, whey isolate and/or casein while adding fats to slow digestion rate..

My concern is that whey is a fast acting protein (which lasts only 60-120 mins in our body) where as egg whites is medium acting protein which lasts 3-4 hours in our body. BTW casein is the slowest acting protein which lasts 6-7 hours in our body.
Since you recommend taking a scoop of whey protein powder + a cup of egg whites (equaling 50 grams of protein) for between meals & last meal of the day in SLINGSHOT DIET. Do we need to incorporate casein protein (either micellar casein or milk protein isolate) for between meals & last meal of the day in blends of whey protein & egg whites to stay in anabolic state & keep protein nitrogen balance longer?

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[Dtrain17]

Hey thanks for answering my questions, you didn't say anything about this "Dell" drug but I never heard of it also so idk. Anyways I wanted to know being an ectomorph, if I should seperate carbs and fats at all, apparently if you do that it allows you to kind of eat more calories?

[Dtrain17]

For the first cycle I said I'd do 500 test and 2nd reload would be with eq, how much eq should I go with as well as masteron if I add that in for test being at 500, and also test at 750 (not sure which i'll go with).

[Dtrain17]

I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle, just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two.
If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Dtrain17;6089306]Hey thanks for answering my questions, you didn't say anything about this "Dell" drug but I never heard of it also so idk. The only DELL I know of is a computer so whatever it is you are talking about I would steer clear if it lowers blood presure! Anyways I wanted to know being an ectomorph, if I should seperate carbs and fats at all, apparently if you do that it allows you to kind of eat more calories? Slow burning carbohydrates are your best friend being an ectomorph because they slowly convert to sugar-hence keeping your appetite good all day long. On the other hands healthy fats are also very important because they contain over twice as many calories per gram than any other macronutrient. You already know protein is important but many ectomorphs find they can only eat around 1 gram per pound of body weight in order to stomach enough carbohydrates to put on weight. Remember, protein bloats you up and lowers appetite! Also, the thermic effect of protein can actually further speed up your metabolism. Try and get most of your calories from from healthy carbohydrates and add in healthy fats from there as needed to help gain weight. Having a high carb and fat meal combo for breakfast and before bed time will help you gain weight, especially before going to bed! If you still have trouble gaining weight add fats to your lunch to boost caloric intake. Other than that focus on clean carbs to keep appetite high and of course keep protein between 1-1.5 grmas per pound of BW depending on what you can stomach.. /QUOTE]above

[Peter32]

Hey ronnie

I am about to start a new cycle after only 2 weeks off (test e 500mg ) considering jumping straight back into my 2 nd cycle but of deca 300 (300mg per wk)an test e (600mg per wk) I didn't read all post 285pages full but what was your view on AI an PCT ?? An being I've had 2 weeks off in full from training an steroids should I just use your blast training (reload-Deload) or slingshot blast training ( low an high volume sets per wk)?? How do you perform your reps tempo? 2/1/2/1 ??

[noon]

Great read lots to implement. into my routines

[VASCULAR VINCE]

reverse bench press..verses...inclines for upper chest

[Ronnie Rowland]

For the first cycle I said I'd do 500 test and 2nd reload would be with eq, how much eq should I go with as well as masteron if I add that in for test being at 500, and also test at 750 (not sure which i'll go with).Go with 600 mgs of EQ and 300 mgs of mast along with your test dosages during first 2 reloads..

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[Ronnie Rowland]

I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle, just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two. Nothing concerning the human body can be interpreted in absolutes. It's okay to add nolva and clomid after a long cycle to ensure faster restoration but HCG is the main drug needed and I have seen full restoration of the testis time and time again with hcg alone. However, anytime anti-es are included in the cycle you need anti-es pct as well.
If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? You could use that approach. I still prefer using some hcg post cycle for maximum results. Why don't you just continue using HCG at lower dosages for 2-3 weeks post cycle? That protocol would make it more affordable! I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it!

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[alex.mitev]

Hey , I have recently read this whole thread. I`m at the end of my cycle whereas i tried to bulk the first 4 weeks and now trying to get leaner for another 4. Currently I`m on 200 gr rice (breakfast and post workout around 8 pm ), 50 olive oil, 80 gr almonds , before bed, 9 egg whites, one whole egg, 50 gr whey protein, 900 gr chicken breasts. Workout 4 times a week, 20 min of cardio 7 days a week, my sixpack is showing now. I`m 87 kg, 185 cm, 27 years of age. Here`s what i`ve been using :

1-8 test prop 400 mg weeklt
1-7 50 mg stanozol daily
6-8 (3 weeks) - tren acetat 0.5 ml daily (1ml contains 75 mg)
1-8 50 mg proviron daily
6-8 10mg tamoxifen daily
Also I`m running LDN 1mg before going to bed. Respond really well - no testicular shrinkage whatsoever, no low sex drive, nothing.
Vitamin b6 50 mg daily
1-6 t3 (really eats lots of muscle) 3 weeks 25 mg, 2 weeks 50 mg, 1 week 12.5 mg. I`ll quit tomorrow.

I would like to run 20 weeks cycle as recommended here in order to put LEAN mass with the next 10 weeks.
I`m considering running test enan 500 mg weekly + boldenone 400 mg weekly + proviron 50 mg daily. How it looks like?:

9-10 250 mg test enan deload
REload
11-18 500 mg test enan
11-18 400 mg boldenone
11-20 50 mg proviron daily
Keep on using B6
11-20 tamoxifen 20 mg daily
HOw long should i continue the LDN? till week 23?

I have two more weeks on prop and tren and i think i will be able to come down to 9-10 % BF.
Once deload starts weeks 9-10 i would like to start slowly bulking lean mass while maintaining the BF.
How do i up the carbs? Should i get the fats lower?

Your reply will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey ronnie

I am about to start a new cycle after only 2 weeks off (test e 500mg ) considering jumping straight back into my 2 nd cycle but of deca 300 (300mg per wk)an test e (600mg per wk) I didn't read all post 285pages full but what was your view on AI an PCT ?? Use anti-es during pct only if they are used while on cycle or if hcg causes you to have gyno symptoms. .An being I've had 2 weeks off in full from training an steroids should I just use your blast training (reload-Deload) or slingshot blast training ( low an high volume sets per wk)?? Higher volume for 8 week reload and lower volume for 2 week deloads. How do you perform your reps tempo? 2/1/2/1 ?? It varies on the exercise used so there is no set rule. 2/1 is in the ballpark. Just don't use momentum so you make sure and stimulate the target muscle to the maximum, get a full range of motion to the best of your ability without over stretching your tendons, and lift the weights smoothly don't throw them around.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey , I have recently read this whole thread. I`m at the end of my cycle whereas i tried to bulk the first 4 weeks and now trying to get leaner for another 4. Currently I`m on 200 gr rice (breakfast and post workout around 8 pm ), 50 olive oil, 80 gr almonds , before bed, 9 egg whites, one whole egg, 50 gr whey protein, 900 gr chicken breasts. Workout 4 times a week, 20 min of cardio 7 days a week, my sixpack is showing now. I`m 87 kg, 185 cm, 27 years of age. Here`s what i`ve been using :

1-8 test prop 400 mg weeklt
1-7 50 mg stanozol daily
6-8 (3 weeks) - tren acetat 0.5 ml daily (1ml contains 75 mg)
1-8 50 mg proviron daily
6-8 10mg tamoxifen daily
Also I`m running LDN 1mg before going to bed. Respond really well - no testicular shrinkage whatsoever, no low sex drive, nothing.
Vitamin b6 50 mg daily
1-6 t3 (really eats lots of muscle) 3 weeks 25 mg, 2 weeks 50 mg, 1 week 12.5 mg. I`ll quit tomorrow.

I would like to run 20 weeks cycle as recommended here in order to put LEAN mass with the next 10 weeks.
I`m considering running test enan 500 mg weekly + boldenone 400 mg weekly + proviron 50 mg daily. How it looks like?:

9-10 250 mg test enan deload
REload
11-18 500 mg test enan INCREASE TO 750 MGS WEEKLY
11-18 400 mg boldenone INCREASE TO A MINIMUM OF 600 MGS WEEKLY
11-20 50 mg proviron daily
Keep on using B6
11-20 tamoxifen 20 mg daily
HOw long should i continue the LDN? till week 23? What LDN are you referring to? The only one I know of is low dose naltrexone.

I have two more weeks on prop and tren and i think i will be able to come down to 9-10 % BF.
Once deload starts weeks 9-10 i would like to start slowly bulking lean mass while maintaining the BF.
How do i up the carbs? INCREASE BY 50 WEEKLY UNTIL YOU START GAINING TOO MUCH BODY FAT THEN BACK OFF A BIT FROM THERE AND HOLD. Should i get the fats lower? I would decrease fats if you are increasing carbs unless you are ectomorphic and have issues gaining weight.

Your reply will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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[Peter32]

above

Thanks heaps Ronnie your advice is greatly appreciated and can't wait to start this new program I'm hoping on my next reload to do a cutting phase using Anavor (first time) what dosage should I use and should this be stacked with a larger test e dose aswell?? Thinking since reducing body fat at this point would be my goal would a twice a week per body part reload phase be appropriate??

Cheers again for your advice

[Dtrain17]

Originally Posted by Dtrain17
I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle , just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two. Nothing concerning the human body can be interpreted in absolutes. It's okay to add nolva and clomid after a long cycle to ensure faster restoration but HCG is the main drug needed and I have seen full restoration of the testis time and time again with hcg alone. However, anytime anti-es are included in the cycle you need anti-es pct as well.
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Sorry it wouldn't let me quote, it loaded forever. So if I know nothing is set in stone but i'm getting ready for my first cycle, no Eq in this one b/c I wanna see how I react to test alone, and masteron for now isn't available, I think i'll take proviron though. Id like to know if I did the hcg during cycle, assuming no anti-e is needed, how much after cycle (keeping it less than you normally recommend)? I think I would use nolva also with the lower hcg (clomid I know isn't needed).

Do I need proviron after also (50mgs per day)?
How much nolva? If you could at least say what would work for the avg guy, I know there's no definite answer.
Your help is appreciated, thanks Ron. If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? You could use that approach. I still prefer using some hcg post cycle for maximum results. Why don't you just continue using HCG at lower dosages for 2-3 weeks post cycle? That protocol would make it more affordable! I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks heaps Ronnie your advice is greatly appreciated and can't wait to start this new program I'm hoping on my next reload to do a cutting phase using Anavor (first time) what dosage should I use and should this be stacked with a larger test e dose aswell?? 40mgs of var and fairly high dose of test is good hanging onto muscle/strength while cutting. I would add masteron as well to help eliminate water retention. Thinking since reducing body fat at this point would be my goal would a twice a week per body part reload phase be appropriate?? Stick to training each muscle only once a week while dieting down. Twice a week muscle training is harder on the joints because you will have less water/fat to cushion them.

Cheers again for your advice

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Originally Posted by Dtrain17
I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle , just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two. No you do not need nolva and clomid! Only hcg is needed unless you have been running an anti-es like masteron or aromasin during your cycle then you need an anti-es like nolvadex during pct. There are a few people who don't use anything for pct and bounce back fairly fast while most do not. I always recommend pct! Nothing concerning the human body can be interpreted in absolutes. It's okay to add nolva and clomid after a long cycle to ensure faster restoration but HCG is the main drug needed and I have seen full restoration of the testis time and time again with hcg alone. However, anytime anti-es are included in the cycle you need anti-es pct as well.
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Sorry it wouldn't let me quote, it loaded forever. So if I know nothing is set in stone but i'm getting ready for my first cycle, no Eq in this one b/c I wanna see how I react to test alone, and masteron for now isn't available, I think i'll take proviron though. Proviron is a very mild anti-es and nolvadex will be needed along with hcg pct if proviron is used! Id like to know if I did the hcg during cycle, assuming no anti-e is needed, how much after cycle (keeping it less than you normally recommend)? 500-1000 eod of hcg for 2 weeks and keep nolvadex in for 4 weeks. I think I would use nolva also with the lower hcg (clomid I know isn't needed).

Do I need proviron after also (50mgs per day)? You can use nolvadex and/or proviron pct. You could also run just 25mgs of proviron to help with your sex drive when coming off the androgens. Only 25 mgs of proviron per day will not have enough anabolic effect to counteract the hcg. Run either or both for 4 weeks.
pct. It's really just left up to you at this point because both ways will work. How much nolva? 40 daily If you could at least say what would work for the avg guy, I know there's no definite answer. hcg is what works for the average guy. I think adding in some nolvadex at 40 daily is a good plan and 25 of proviron daily is okay as well for those wanting a litle extra boost in libido.
Your help is appreciated, thanks Ron. If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? You could use that approach. I still prefer using some hcg post cycle for maximum results. Why don't you just continue using HCG at lower dosages for 2-3 weeks post cycle? That protocol would make it more affordable! I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it! Study explaining why it's okay to continune using proviron during pct: Int J Gynaecol Obstet. 1988 Feb;26(1):121-8.

The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.

Varma TR, Patel RH.

Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George's Hospital Medical School London, U.K.

Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assa 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - ) luteinizing hormone (lh - leutenizing hormone - ) and plasma testosterone were assa once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , lh - leutenizing hormone - and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - , lh - leutenizing hormone - and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH - follicle stimulating hormone - and lh - leutenizing hormone - levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=VASCULAR VINCE;6090575]reverse bench press..verses...inclines for upper chest [B]IMO most people get very little overall chest development from incline presses, including the upper pecs . Muscle stimulation of the upper chest during incline presses only increases by about 5% as compared to the flat or slight decline press bench press. But muscle stimulation in the front deltoids increased by a whopping 85%! This is why I recommend incline presses on a standard incline press at around 30-45 degrees for those who have weak front delts instead of front raises to supplement to their overhead shoulder presses. Incline presse work the front delts more so than overhead persses because the side heads of the delts are strongly stimulated during overhead shoulder presses.

The neck press using a wide grip is superior to incline presses for upper chest development but it's hard on the rotator cuffs. In addition, incline presses can put a lot of strain on the rotator cuffs and the muscles/disk located in the neck (cervical spine)! A better exercise to increase muscle stimulation in the upper chest regions is using a flat bench with a reverse grip because muscle stimulation of the upper chest increases by around 30% when using the reverse-grip as opposed to the regular over-hand grip . However, doing this with a bar puts way too much strain on the wrist, even when using a smith machine for balance control so the answer is using a life fitness dual cable flat chest press machine using a modified reverse grip. Turn the handles so that your palms are facing one another to prevent wrist strain. You also want to begin the movement with a grip slightly wider than your shoulders and then allow your arms to travel inwards and slighlty upwards during the contraction to stimulate the upper chest. The modified reverse grip still helps keep your elbows in close to the body and your upper arms parallel to your torso-hence increasing the stimulation of the of upper chest!You can use dumbells as well. NOTE: That funky so-called upper chest exercise you see people at the gym doing with cable where they bring their arms up in front up their body with palms facing upward does not stimulate the upper chest as some have been misled into believing but rather the anterior deltoids! [/B][/QUOTE]above

[VASCULAR VINCE]

big ron..thoughts on masteron .......during pct????

[VASCULAR VINCE]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6092216]

reverse bench press..verses...inclines for upper chest [B]IMO most people get very little overall chest development from incline presses, including the upper pecs . Muscle stimulation of the upper chest during incline presses only increases by about 5% as compared to the flat or slight decline press bench press. But muscle stimulation in the front deltoids increased by a whopping 85%! This is why I recommend incline presses on a standard incline press at around 30-45 degrees for those who have weak front delts instead of front raises to supplement to their overhead shoulder presses. Incline presse work the front delts more so than overhead persses because the side heads of the delts are strongly stimulated during overhead shoulder presses.

The neck press using a wide grip is superior to incline presses for upper chest development but it's hard on the rotator cuffs. In addition, incline presses can put a lot of strain on the rotator cuffs and the muscles/disk located in the neck (cervical spine)! A better exercise to increase muscle stimulation in the upper chest regions is using a flat bench with a reverse grip because muscle stimulation of the upper chest increases by around 30% when using the reverse-grip as opposed to the regular over-hand grip . However, doing this with a bar puts way too much strain on the wrist, even when using a smith machine for balance control so the answer is using a life fitness dual cable flat chest press machine using a modified reverse grip. Turn the handles so that your palms are facing about halfway up or just slighty more so-just to the point your wrist are not put at risk for being strained or in pain. You also want to begin the movement with a grip slightly wider than your shoulders and then allow your arms to travel inwards and slighlty upwards during the contraction. The modified reverse grip still helps keep your elbows in close to the body and your upper arms parallel to your torso-hence increasing the stimulation of the of upper chest! That funky so-called upper chest exercise you see people at the gym doing with cable where they bring their arms up in front up their body with palms facing upward does not stimulate the upper chest as some have been misled into believing but rather the anterior deltoids! [/B][/QUOTE]above

greatly appreciated big ron!!! giving this a try my man!!!!!

[alex.mitev]

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Exactly, the low dose naltrexone is the LDN I`m reffering to. IMO this works wonders.

Moreover, how should i do the carb loading. Now, I load every 6th or 7th day. Here is what my menu consists of (workout day):

7 am - 9 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 100 gr rice
10 am - 220 gr chicken, veggies, 15 ml sesame oil or olive oil
12;30 - 220 gr chicken, veggies, 15 ml sesame oil/olive oil
3;30-4 pm 220 gr chicken, 100 gr rice
6pm 30 gr whey protein, 15 ml sesame oil
6;30 workout
8 pm 30 gr whey protein
9 pm 220 gr chicken, 70-80 gr walnuts
How would i go about carb loading and modifying fats?

Also once the second reloads starts, you said i`d increase carbs by 50 gr weekly, but how many carb meals i`ll be gettin daily? Only 3 (breakfast , pre and post workout or more?)

Thanks in advance

[VASCULAR VINCE]

a bro at my gym has question for you ronnie.....supraspinatus tendon screwed up.... cant take lateral raises at any angle ....overhead press on machine cause no pain........could 8 sets for that one shoulder exercise be used to make up for lost volume??????

[Dtrain17]

Okay so I'll post up a cycle I wanna do soon. I can't get masteron for a while like you recommended though.

1-8 Test E (500 mgs), Proviron (50 mgs), Hcg (500 i.u)
9-10 Test E (250mgs), Hcg (1500 i.u, split into 2 shots)

And then here if I can I would do another blast, but I forget what I do if I want kids (I don't know yet so I'd like to be on the safe side.) Also I know you recommend Eq in both cycles but I'd like to use test alone first to see the sides, and I was wondering if Eq would be better to add in the next cycle or should I just bump up test dosage..too many options! Anyways the next blast would be:

1-8 Test E (500mgs), Eq (600mgs), Proviron (50mgs), Hcg (500 i.u).
9-10 Test E (250mgs)

Pct: Starts 1 week after last test shot (I think?)

1-2 Hcg (1000 i.u eod) (you recommended, to keep $ down)
1-4 Nolva (20mg Ed) *If Idc about libido, then proviron isn't really useful here?
I think you recommend aromasin to have on hand for during cycle also, I know adex is worst.
Thanks Ronnie, I know this is a lot of questions but i'm almost ready I think, I'll post pics up to show everyone the transformation!

[covs-owen]

hi my name is owen im 31 years of age looking for help i no you will all go mad about this but please im looking for help.iv been working hard at my gym for the last year now and just wanted a bit of a kick start with my size as i have no probs getting big chest but arms just so hard to build on.so after a long look over the internet and a lot of words from i friend that has been lifting for about 10 years.

i been and got Tri-Tren 150 and Trenbolone Acetate iv been told i should take 1m of tri-tren for the first week and then after that i should take 1m of each every week.i no this is a hard steroid and im not sure i should be talking about this on here but could really do with a bit of help as i have now been told i should be running a test-e with this but the source i got these of said it is fine just to run both once a week.so would be great full if someone could help me thank you