You'll want to read this!

[biggerguns]

Ronnie can you give an example of workout order for us. Im used to training 3-4 days a week with a day off inbetween to let body rest. If i train chest monday i know for a fact i will be sore the next 2 days. In what sequence would be best to let certain muscle groups recuperate? I hear that gear lets you recup faster.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie can you give an example of workout order for us. Im used to training 3-4 days a week with a day off inbetween to let body rest. If i train chest monday i know for a fact i will be sore the next 2 days. In what sequence would be best to let certain muscle groups recuperate? I hear that gear lets you recup faster.

There are many good training splits. Here's a few of good ones-

SPLIT 1 (THE ONE I AM CURRENTLY USING)

DAY 1 CHEST/BICEPS/FOREARMS
DAY 2 OFF
DAY 3 BACK/TRAPS
DAY 4 OFF
DAY 5 SHOULDERS/TRICEPS/ABS/CALVES
DAY 6 LEGS
DAY 7 OFF

SPLIT 2

DAY 1 CHEST/SHOULDERS/TRICEPS
DAY 2 OFF
DAY 3 BACK/BICEPS
DAY 4 OFF
DAY 5 LEGS
DAY 6 OFF
DAY 7 OFF (OR REPEAT DAY 1))

SPLIT 3

DAY 1 CHEST/BICEPS
DAY 2 OFF
DAY 3 BACK/TRICEPS
DAY 4 OFF
DAY 5 SHOULDERS/LEGS
DAY 6 OFF
DAY 7 OFF (OR REPEAT DAY 1)

[biggerguns]

Thanks for listing the splits.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks for listing the splits.

Another favorite of mine for training eod is the old Arnold split:

DAY 1 CHEST/BACK
DAY 3 SHOULDERS/ARMS
DAY 5 LEGS

[bskopper]

Great Post!

[ussmith123]

Hi,
Friends 8 weeks of cycling (with higher dosages, and then coming of or bridging for 2 weeks is best) is enough to good health.

Workout Routine

[gcguiness]

great info, thanks, gives me some direction....

[MTL]

What do you think that a good PCT would incorperate? Like what kind and how much gear, after a 30 week sling-shot?

[VASCULAR VINCE]

does high protein intake...reload...cause acidic body chemistry???

[Ronnie Rowland]

I see a lot of repetitive questions in the training section and in the anabolic steroid section. What do you think is the #1 mistake I have witnessed by both natural bodybuilder's and drug enhanced bodybuilder's in my 24 years as a trainer? I bet you thought I was going to say over-training, diet or taking the wrong kinds of drugs didn't you? While those can be problems, the biggest mistake being made by many (and this applies to people on this board) is improper exercise form. Ever noticed how many people on the net are always getting injured? They get shoulder pain, elbow pain, knee pain, and the list goes on and on! And it can be even worse for steroid users because they get stronger faster.

If you train with the right form you will rarely, if ever get an injury that will put you on the sidelines. If you are always striving to beat a log book you should resort to power-lifting, not bodybuilding. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are two different sports. I think many people tend to not understand this. I see them asking how to bring up lagging body part when the answer is simple-use better form!

A true bodybuilder goes to the gym to work his muscle, not lift a certain amount of weight. Sure, you will get stronger to a point as you progress but feeling the muscles stretch, squeeze and contract while using no momentum is what builds the most muscle size and keeps you injury free. In fact, as you progress your goal should be to keep improving your mind muscle link which can mean reducing the weight load. I realize some people just never learn and they are not secure enough within themselves to let someone else lift more weight than them on a particular exercise even if it means throwing the weight. For those who are still searching for how to gain maximum size without dealing with nasty injuries you will want to take this all in. You've got to quit worrying about what others think and start worrying about your own self if you want to keep training for years without having to deal with all sorts of chronic injuries down the road. I steer clear of people who are always bragging about how much they lift. I say who cares unless you are powerlifting! I am never impressed when a bodybuilder comes up to me and says I did 315 for 6 reps on the bench today. What does impress me is when I hear someone say they got a good pump on chest by using perfect form.

Strength is mostly determined by genetics not training routines. And you can take all the steroids you want and never be as strong and many guys who are all natural because they have thicker tendons, etc. Some people are just very strong while others are not so strong. Sometimes it's the big guys who aren't that strong and sometimes it is the big guys who are very strong. Either way you must go to the gym with the attitude I am really going to feel my muscles working today, not with the attitude I am going to lift more weight or get another rep if it kills me. That's a stupid way to train because it causes certain injury over-time and you will not develop the muscles to your ut-most potential.

Most people fail to max out their genetics because they use momentum to lift the weight. When momentum is used the ancillary muscle can do more of the actual work than the targeted muscle group. It's an ego thing and has no part in bodybuilding.

[BJJ]

I see a lot of repetitive questions in the training section and in the anabolic steroid section. What do you think is the #1 mistake I have witnessed by both natural bodybuilder's and drug enhanced bodybuilder's in my 24 years as a trainer? I bet you thought I was going to say over-training, diet or taking the wrong kinds of drugs didn't you? While those can be problems, the biggest mistake being made by many (and this applies to people on this board) is improper exercise form. Ever noticed how many people on the net are always getting injured? They get shoulder pain, elbow pain, knee pain, and the list goes on and on! And it can be even worse for steroid users because they get stronger faster.

If you train with the right form you will rarely, if ever get an injury that will put you on the sidelines. If you are always striving to beat a log book you should resort to power-lifting, not bodybuilding. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are two different sports. I think many people tend to not understand this. I see them asking how to bring up lagging body part when the answer is simple-use better form!

A true bodybuilder goes to the gym to work his muscle, not lift a certain amount of weight. Sure, you will get stronger to a point as you progress but feeling the muscles stretch, squeeze and contract while using no momentum is what builds the most muscle size and keeps you injury free. In fact, as you progress your goal should be to keep improving your mind muscle link which can mean reducing the weight load. I realize some people just never learn and they are not secure enough within themselves to let someone else lift more weight than them on a particular exercise even if it means throwing the weight. For those who are still searching for how to gain maximum size without dealing with nasty injuries you will want to take this all in. You've got to quit worrying about what others think and start worrying about your own self if you want to keep training for years without having to deal with all sorts of chronic injuries down the road. I steer clear of people who are always bragging about how much they lift. I say who cares unless you are powerlifting! I am never impressed when a bodybuilder comes up to me and says I did 315 for 6 reps on the bench today. What does impress me is when I hear someone say they got a good pump on chest by using perfect form.

Strength is mostly determined by genetics not training routines. And you can take all the steroids you want and never be as strong and many guys who are all natural because they have thicker tendons, etc. Some people are just very strong while others are not so strong. Sometimes it's the big guys who aren't that strong and sometimes it is the big guys who are very strong. Either way you must go to the gym with the attitude I am really going to feel my muscles working today, not with the attitude I am going to lift more weight or get another rep if it kills me. That's a stupid way to train because it causes certain injury over-time and you will not develop the muscles to your ut-most potential.

Most people fail to max out their genetics because they use momentum to lift the weight. When momentum is used the ancillary muscle can do more of the actual work than the targeted muscle group. It's an ego thing and has no part in bodybuilding.

Great verities (bold).
I agree with you.
Nice post indeed.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

I see a lot of repetitive questions in the training section and in the anabolic steroid section. What do you think is the #1 mistake I have witnessed by both natural bodybuilder's and drug enhanced bodybuilder's in my 24 years as a trainer? I bet you thought I was going to say over-training, diet or taking the wrong kinds of drugs didn't you? While those can be problems, the biggest mistake being made by many (and this applies to people on this board) is improper exercise form. Ever noticed how many people on the net are always getting injured? They get shoulder pain, elbow pain, knee pain, and the list goes on and on! And it can be even worse for steroid users because they get stronger faster.

If you train with the right form you will rarely, if ever get an injury that will put you on the sidelines. If you are always striving to beat a log book you should resort to power-lifting, not bodybuilding. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are two different sports. I think many people tend to not understand this. I see them asking how to bring up lagging body part when the answer is simple-use better form!

A true bodybuilder goes to the gym to work his muscle, not lift a certain amount of weight. Sure, you will get stronger to a point as you progress but feeling the muscles stretch, squeeze and contract while using no momentum is what builds the most muscle size and keeps you injury free. In fact, as you progress your goal should be to keep improving your mind muscle link which can mean reducing the weight load. I realize some people just never learn and they are not secure enough within themselves to let someone else lift more weight than them on a particular exercise even if it means throwing the weight. For those who are still searching for how to gain maximum size without dealing with nasty injuries you will want to take this all in. You've got to quit worrying about what others think and start worrying about your own self if you want to keep training for years without having to deal with all sorts of chronic injuries down the road. I steer clear of people who are always bragging about how much they lift. I say who cares unless you are powerlifting! I am never impressed when a bodybuilder comes up to me and says I did 315 for 6 reps on the bench today. What does impress me is when I hear someone say they got a good pump on chest by using perfect form.

Strength is mostly determined by genetics not training routines. And you can take all the steroids you want and never be as strong and many guys who are all natural because they have thicker tendons, etc. Some people are just very strong while others are not so strong. Sometimes it's the big guys who aren't that strong and sometimes it is the big guys who are very strong. Either way you must go to the gym with the attitude I am really going to feel my muscles working today, not with the attitude I am going to lift more weight or get another rep if it kills me. That's a stupid way to train because it causes certain injury over-time and you will not develop the muscles to your ut-most potential.

Most people fail to max out their genetics because they use momentum to lift the weight. When momentum is used the ancillary muscle can do more of the actual work than the targeted muscle group. It's an ego thing and has no part in bodybuilding.

thank you!! amazing post brother....

[VASCULAR VINCE]

I see a lot of repetitive questions in the training section and in the anabolic steroid section. What do you think is the #1 mistake I have witnessed by both natural bodybuilder's and drug enhanced bodybuilder's in my 24 years as a trainer? I bet you thought I was going to say over-training, diet or taking the wrong kinds of drugs didn't you? While those can be problems, the biggest mistake being made by many (and this applies to people on this board) is improper exercise form. Ever noticed how many people on the net are always getting injured? They get shoulder pain, elbow pain, knee pain, and the list goes on and on! And it can be even worse for steroid users because they get stronger faster.

If you train with the right form you will rarely, if ever get an injury that will put you on the sidelines. If you are always striving to beat a log book you should resort to power-lifting, not bodybuilding. Bodybuilding and powerlifting are two different sports. I think many people tend to not understand this. I see them asking how to bring up lagging body part when the answer is simple-use better form!

A true bodybuilder goes to the gym to work his muscle, not lift a certain amount of weight. Sure, you will get stronger to a point as you progress but feeling the muscles stretch, squeeze and contract while using no momentum is what builds the most muscle size and keeps you injury free. In fact, as you progress your goal should be to keep improving your mind muscle link which can mean reducing the weight load. I realize some people just never learn and they are not secure enough within themselves to let someone else lift more weight than them on a particular exercise even if it means throwing the weight. For those who are still searching for how to gain maximum size without dealing with nasty injuries you will want to take this all in. You've got to quit worrying about what others think and start worrying about your own self if you want to keep training for years without having to deal with all sorts of chronic injuries down the road. I steer clear of people who are always bragging about how much they lift. I say who cares unless you are powerlifting! I am never impressed when a bodybuilder comes up to me and says I did 315 for 6 reps on the bench today. What does impress me is when I hear someone say they got a good pump on chest by using perfect form.

Strength is mostly determined by genetics not training routines. And you can take all the steroids you want and never be as strong and many guys who are all natural because they have thicker tendons, etc. Some people are just very strong while others are not so strong. Sometimes it's the big guys who aren't that strong and sometimes it is the big guys who are very strong. Either way you must go to the gym with the attitude I am really going to feel my muscles working today, not with the attitude I am going to lift more weight or get another rep if it kills me. That's a stupid way to train because it causes certain injury over-time and you will not develop the muscles to your ut-most potential.

Most people fail to max out their genetics because they use momentum to lift the weight. When momentum is used the ancillary muscle can do more of the actual work than the targeted muscle group. It's an ego thing and has no part in bodybuilding.

exactly what is best exercise cadence???

[Ronnie Rowland]

does high protein intake...reload...cause acidic body chemistry???

Yes it does. By lowering protein intake during a deload you lower acidic ph in the body. This is important because having a high acidic ph lowers muscle mass. As I have stated before, acidosis promotes protein breakdown-hence leading to nitrogen elimination not nitrogen retention that we want to build muscle mass..

[VASCULAR VINCE]

Yes it does. By lowering protein intake during a deload you lower acidic ph in the body. This is important because having a high acidic ph lowers muscle mass. As I have stated before, acidosis promotes protein breakdown-hence leading to nitrogen elimination not nitrogen retention that we want to build muscle mass..

Ahh.....slingshot method....coming together for me now...why didn't someone think of this earlier??!!

[JiffyPop]

Your the man Ronnie!!!
one of the best posts ive ever read

Im still useing OTC, i'm thinking 8 on 2 off w/ all orals might be too harsh
any ideas till i man up and start pinning?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Your the man Ronnie!!!
one of the best posts ive ever read

Im still useing OTC, i'm thinking 8 on 2 off w/ all orals might be too harsh
any ideas till i man up and start pinning?

I think the dangers of oral steroids have been a bit exxagerated over the years due to misconceptions. One option for you would be to rotate a milder oral like var with a harsher oral like d-bol every other 8 week reload.

The bottom line is that injectable testosterone is the best and safest drug. I think you can have some success with orals only but why not use small needles (less painful) and be safer while getting better results?
You could get by with injecting test only once a week if need be.

[The Observer]

Ron, first I would like to say thanks for the info and answers you have been giving. I read practically everything in this thread and got some great info. I really have to break this mental thing about do too many sets.....which is harder than I can imagine. I'm gonna be on Test 500mg, Deca 400mg, and D-bol 35mg for 4 weeks to jumpstart my cycle. I have my heart set on this specific cycle god know why. It's listed as the Novice 2-1 cycle on the front page here. It also states to take Nolvadex and Vitamin B-6 each day for the whole cycle, do you agree? If I do this, when would you recommend I stack in a 4 week of winstol? Would it be better to stack in Week 11? I'd drop the d-bol at this time.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ron, first i would like to say thanks for the info and answers you have been giving. I read practically everything in this thread and got some great info. I really have to break this mental thing about do too many sets.....which is harder than i can imagine. i've been where you are in terms of wanting to do more sets thinking more would make me grow. Boy was i wrong! I've also been on the other side of the fence hoping a few sets per week on a permanent basis would actually work in terms of making my muscle bigger. Boy was i wrong again! I can assure you 12 intense work sets per body part is the most one should do and some do better with 8-9 sets performed once a week on major body parts. I'm gonna be on test 500mg, deca 400mg, and d-bol 35mg for 4 weeks to jumpstart my cycle. I have my heart set on this specific cycle god know why. It's listed as the novice 2-1 cycle on the front page here. It also states to take nolvadex and vitamin b-6 each day for the whole cycle, do you agree? i would not take nolvadex and a good multivitamin would be better than b-6 alone. If you are prone to gyno get some arimidex and run it eod. If i do this, when would you recommend i stack in a 4 week of winstol? Would it be better to stack in week 11? I'd drop the d-bol at this time. i would start the winstrol on week 5 of your 8 week reload and run it for the last 4 weeks since d-bol will be dropped after first 4 weeks. During 2 week deload simply run a small amount of test as a bridge so myostatin levels can decrease before doing another 8 week reload.

answers above in bold.

[chrisx]

Allright Ronnie after devouring this whole thread word by word as if I was going to write the bible for Jesus, I feel I have my 1ST cycle/ plan down and need your stamp of approval on it.

But before I do that I am going to remind you on my stats and goals.

23 yrs old
15% bodyfat
150pds
Have been training for a good 5 years

My goal is to get to 190 pds ASAP, and be between 10-13% bodyfat (for football). HOWEVER, I still want to keep my body producing it's own natural test once I get to 180-195pds, so didn't know if the cycle you recommended me awhile back still stands given my new concern?

This is what you recommended...
PHASE 1:
RELOAD: Weeks 1-8 Test Enanthate 500 mgs
DELOAD: Weeks 9-10 Test Enathate 250 mgs

PHASE 2:
RELOAD: Weeks 11-18 Test Enanthate 500 mgs and Deca 400 mgs
DELOAD: Weeks 19-20 Test Enathate 250 mgs
PCT: Weeks 21-23

WOULD YOU CHANGE THAT CYCLE UP ANY GIVEN WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND MY CONCERN ON HINDERING MY BODY FROM PRODUCING IT'S OWN TEST AFTER BEING ON AAS FOR 20WEEKS??

[Ronnie Rowland]

Allright Ronnie after devouring this whole thread word by word as if I was going to write the bible for Jesus, I feel I have my 1ST cycle/ plan down and need your stamp of approval on it.

But before I do that I am going to remind you on my stats and goals.

23 yrs old
15% bodyfat
150pds
Have been training for a good 5 years

My goal is to get to 190 pds ASAP, and be between 10-13% bodyfat (for football). HOWEVER, I still want to keep my body producing it's own natural test once I get to 180-195pds, so didn't know if the cycle you recommended me awhile back still stands given my new concern?

This is what you recommended...
PHASE 1:
RELOAD: Weeks 1-8 Test Enanthate 500 mgs
DELOAD: Weeks 9-10 Test Enathate 250 mgs

PHASE 2:
RELOAD: Weeks 11-18 Test Enanthate 500 mgs and Deca 400 mgs
DELOAD: Weeks 19-20 Test Enathate 250 mgs
PCT: Weeks 21-23

WOULD YOU CHANGE THAT CYCLE UP ANY GIVEN WHAT I'M TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND MY CONCERN ON HINDERING MY BODY FROM PRODUCING IT'S OWN TEST AFTER BEING ON AAS FOR 20WEEKS?? Your good! Stick to the original plan since this is your first cyle. Diet,proper training and genetics will determine the rest given you get legit test and deca.

above

[amcon]

Ronnie, i have been on test prop 600mgs a week, tren A 6oomgs a week.... put on 20 lbs of muscle in 17 weeks... i have been at a platue with weight and strenght and growth.... from what you have stated i would need to cut protine and aas back to minimums for two weeks then back at it again - correct?

note: as of late i have added 200 mgs of winny to the mix and t3/t4 i have lost 2 lbs, and have gotten very ripped- i cut cals from 4000 to 3000... and have not added in any cardio(zero cardio)

what else do you need to know and what would you suggest?

thanks bro!!!

as soon as you get the book ready and any vids let me know i have numerous ppl ready to buy

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, i have been on test prop 600mgs a week, tren a 6oomgs a week.... Put on 20 lbs of muscle in 17 weeks... I have been at a platue with weight and strenght and growth.... From what you have stated i would need to cut protine and aas back to minimums for two weeks then back at it again - correct? yes!

note: As of late i have added 200 mgs of winny to the mix and t3/t4 i have lost 2 lbs, and have gotten very ripped- i cut cals from 4000 to 3000... And have not added in any cardio(zero cardio)

what else do you need to know and what would you suggest? how much do you weigh and how much do you want to weigh? Also, how many work sets set are you doing during 8 week reloads for major body parts?
thanks bro!!!

As soon as you get the book ready and any vids let me know i have numerous ppl ready to buy sounds good!

answers above in bold

[caliarmy]

I've been training for about one year now 6 months at home 6 months in the military and I am looking to bump muscle mass gains. I am currently 20 years old, 160 pounds and 5'11". We run so much here on base that it is hard to gain weight. Our workouts here contain mainly push ups and other high rep exrcises. I have never taken steroids before but I am looking around to see what would be best. I currently have both protein and creatine supplements. What would you recommend and at what dosages for a decent cycle? I have set a goal of 180 pounds by march. Hard work is nothing new to me ever since I joined the service Im just looking for either oral or injectable steroids. Whats good oral or injectable. Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

I've been training for about one year now 6 months at home 6 months in the military and I am looking to bump muscle mass gains. I am currently 20 years old, 160 pounds and 5'11". We run so much here on base that it is hard to gain weight. Our workouts here contain mainly push ups and other high rep exrcises. I have never taken steroids before but I am looking around to see what would be best. I currently have both protein and creatine supplements. What would you recommend and at what dosages for a decent cycle? I have set a goal of 180 pounds by march. Hard work is nothing new to me ever since I joined the service Im just looking for either oral or injectable steroids. Whats good oral or injectable. Thanks

I'd rather see you wait at least another year to take steroids. In fact, steroids are not going to help you gain a lot of weight if you can't eat more. Gaining weight right now is a chore for me and I am only doing 2-15 minute cardio sessions per week and I am fixing to turn 44 years of age. My point being, hit 180 and then at least year later at age 21 take 500 mgs of test per week for your first cycle. That's my recommendation.

[BJJ]

I'd rather see you wait another year to take steroids. In fact, steroids are not going to help you gain a lot of weight if you can't eat more. Gaining weight right now is a chore for me and I am only doing 2-15 minute cardio sessions per week and I am fixing to turn 44 years of age. My point being, hit 180 and then a year later at age 21 take 500 mgs of test per week for your first cycle. That's my recommendation.

Why are you advising him to start aas at 21yo?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Why are you advising him to start aas at 21yo?

I'm not. But, if he's dead set on using I am suggesting he wait at least another year.

You'll need to ask him why he wants to use at age 20. I have nothing in the matter nor do I have control over what age others decide to use. I can only hand out sound information.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie.....if someone wants to keep balls from turning to raisens on cyle...how much hcg a week????...

[ricky23]

....

[Ronnie Rowland]

wow, this is a big wake up call for those who train with their egos and not their minds, excellent stuff. ive also seen your youtube video and your physique looks incredible. but could you please clarify steroid use while usin this system. i weigh around 90kg and most of it is muscle i have built naturally. i have never taken roids but i feel the time is right 4 a serious mass cycle, i have researched a ton and am leaning toward trenobol and test but i have also considered dianabol. what would u recommend for the best possible gains. thanks ronnie.

The majority of people I train in person do not take steroids but they still make their best gains possible with Slingshot Training. There's a good chance you can still make some more gains without having to take steroids at this present time if you follow the Slingshot Training System as outlined.

When gains stop as a natural, testosterone enanthate or cypionate at 500-600 mgs per week is perfect for a first time cycle. Tren and d-bol are for the more advanced. Test makes you feel great where as tren and/or d-bol can make you feel very bad. That's why everyone says test is best.

[amcon]

ronnie's answer - "how much do you weigh and how much do you want to weigh? Also, how many work sets set are you doing during 8 week reloads for major body parts?"

weight is 253 lbs... would like to get to 280 lbs - bf is 12 % maybe 10 % the pic in my avatar is from 7 - 8 weeks ago - and i was 265lbs in that pic i would say 14-15% bf - since that pic i have added winny at 200 mgs a week t3/t4 at 75 mgs a day... and cut my cals by 1000 - kept the protien up to normal



work sets during 8 week reloads:
day one = chest = 2 warm up... 4 flat, 3 decline, 2 incline, 3 cable = 12 sets
day two = back = 1 warm up... 3 pull ups, 4 bent over rows, 2 dumb bell rows, 3 hammer pull down, 2-3 seated row. = 14 sets
day three = shoulders = 1 warm up... 3 behind the neck presses, 3 standing presses (no bouncing), 3 shoulder extentions hammer, 3 rotor cuff raises, (maybe side laterals 3 sets if im at that gym that has the equipment i like) = 12 sets
day 4 = legs = 3 squats, 3 hack, 3 leg press, 2 leg extention, 4 ham strings. = 15 sets
day 5 = bies 9 sets, tries 9 sets
day 6 = traps, rear delts and dead lifts = front shrug 4 sets, 3 rear shrugs, 3 seated row shrugs, 3 -45 degree shrugs front. = traps 13 sets,
rear delts = 9 sets
deads = 4 - 5 sets one warn up

if a day get blow off it is legs... happens 1x a month

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie's answer - "how much do you weigh and how much do you want to weigh? Also, how many work sets set are you doing during 8 week reloads for major body parts?"

weight is 253 lbs... would like to get to 280 lbs - bf is 12 % maybe 10 % the pic in my avatar is from 7 - 8 weeks ago - and i was 265lbs in that pic i would say 14-15% bf - since that pic i have added winny at 200 mgs a week t3/t4 at 75 mgs a day... and cut my cals by 1000 - kept the protien up to normal



work sets during 8 week reloads:
day one = chest = 2 warm up... 4 flat, 3 decline, 2 incline, 3 cable = 12 sets
day two = back = 1 warm up... 3 pull ups, 4 bent over rows, 2 dumb bell rows, 3 hammer pull down, 2-3 seated row. = 14 sets
day three = shoulders = 1 warm up... 3 behind the neck presses, 3 standing presses (no bouncing), 3 shoulder extentions hammer, 3 rotor cuff raises, (maybe side laterals 3 sets if im at that gym that has the equipment i like) = 12 sets
day 4 = legs = 3 squats, 3 hack, 3 leg press, 2 leg extention, 4 ham strings. = 15 sets
day 5 = bies 9 sets, tries 9 sets
day 6 = traps, rear delts and dead lifts = front shrug 4 sets, 3 rear shrugs, 3 seated row shrugs, 3 -45 degree shrugs front. = traps 13 sets,
rear delts = 9 sets
deads = 4 - 5 sets one warn up

if a day get blow off it is legs... happens 1x a month

Your workout looks good!

I would not use t3/t4 until you go into a lengthy cutting cycle. 75 mgs of t-3 could cause possible muscle loss without using Growth Hormone.

For more size I would increase testosterone to 1 gram per week along with the tren. Use test enanthate version since it's less painful. For even more size you could add 50 mgs of oral d-bol ed or 50 mgs of the injectable version eod. Try adding 750 cals to your diet by way of healthy fats such as olive oil.

[amcon]

Your workout looks good!

I would not use t3/t4 until you go into a lengthy cutting cycle. 75 mgs of t-3 could cause possible muscle loss without using Growth Hormone.

For more size I would increase testosterone to 1 gram per week along with the tren. Use test enanthate version since it's less painful. For even more size you could add 50 mgs of oral d-bol ed or 50 mgs of the injectable version eod. Try adding 750 cals to your diet by way of healthy fats such as olive oil.

thanks ronnie - !!!

[Juicedupmonkey]

I'm all about taking HCG, I've taken it for my past 2 cycles and i hear people say it is painless... For me it's so painful i usually have to get my girlfriend to do it. It feels like i'm injecting little razor blades, Why is that? I tried injecting into the muscle and fat, both hurt just as bad.

[VASCULAR VINCE]

does arimidex.....increase testosterone production....... when taking steroids....if 100% natural??????

[biggerguns]

does arimidex.....increase testosterone production....... when taking steroids....if 100% natural??????

Dont understand your question. Taking steroids..100% natural??

[ricky23]

hi ronnie, sorry to bother u again - I have a sustanon-deca-dianabol stack and would really appreciate some advice on how to cycle it. A little info about me- i weigh around 90kg with low bf. my bench is 130kg - deadlift is 200kg and i consume between 200-300g of protein daily along with the same amount of carbs and lots of healthy fats. I am currently using your slingshot program. I was thinking of taking 750mg of sustanon, 400-500mg deca, 60mg dianabol a week but im not sure if this is too little or too much. also, I have heard conflicting views regarding the length of the cycle - some claim that the first cycle should be the longest, recommending 12 weeks whereas some recommend up to 24 weeks of cycling! your info about the 8 week cycle seems to make the most sense and is logical when considering the workout. your advice would really be appreciated.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I am tied down with work right now. I will get to all pms and questions in this thread ASP. Thank you for your understanding!

[Ronnie Rowland]

does arimidex.....increase testosterone production....... when taking steroids....if 100% natural??????

I have not seen any evidence that taking arimidex increases natural testosterone production whether on steroids or not. I know what you are asking and the answer is no.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'm all about taking HCG, I've taken it for my past 2 cycles and i hear people say it is painless... For me it's so painful i usually have to get my girlfriend to do it. It feels like i'm injecting little razor blades, Why is that? I tried injecting into the muscle and fat, both hurt just as bad.

It's just the nature of hcg. Anything cold hurts worse as well so let it warm up some before injecting.