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[J_SHOCK89]

Hi I am just looking for some freindly advice, I just came off a ten week cycle last week and I was planning to start runing mt pct accordingly. But I won a trip to cancun and it's in 8 weeks from now so I plan on taking another week off than hopping on another one. I usually woouldnt do something like this but since I have never been to cancun I wanna be diced and have a sick time, cus I dont plan on going back. What I was running was 1000mg a week of a test blend, anadrol 50 mg ED and EQ 600mg a week I have almost ten cycles under my belt if your wondering why the dosages are so high and I am also 280 pounds.

Now what I am uncertain of is waht should I run and and waht dosage I have some tren E and another couple bottles of this test 400, by edited. Which by the way is the best lab I have used yet, and I was thinking since I was just running 1000 mg a week of test would it be better for me to take 3 shots a week of the t 400 and 3 of the tren e with a bit of winnny, and prop at the end. I only have seven weeks thats why I am shooting it 3 times a week it fits perfect with my time frame. Or I was thinking that maybe since I took a two week break It wouldnt matter and i could get away with running 600mg a week of the test and 300 a week of the tren e. Any thoughts and should I also runn HCG through the whole 7 weeks considering I was just on a ten week cycle

sorry for this random post but no one has replied to my thread and I need to know asap thanks guys

[VASCULAR VINCE]

ronnie...low reps... or... high reps.... best for deloads???

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie...low reps... Or... High reps.... Best for deloads???

high reps in order to help decrease myostatin levels!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

high reps in order to help decrease myostatin levels!

Low reps.....increase myosatin???

[Ronnie Rowland]

Low reps.....increase myosatin???

Yes, that's what I am saying. Also, steroids/pro-hormones increase myostatin levels (a protein which hinders muscle growth)-hence the need to increase reps while simultaneously reducing anabolics to allow myostatin levels to normalize so further gains can be made.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi i am just looking for some freindly advice, i just came off a ten week cycle last week and i was planning to start runing mt pct accordingly. But i won a trip to cancun and it's in 8 weeks from now so i plan on taking another week off than hopping on another one. I usually woouldnt do something like this but since i have never been to cancun i wanna be diced and have a sick time, cus i dont plan on going back. What i was running was 1000mg a week of a test blend, anadrol 50 mg ed and eq 600mg a week i have almost ten cycles under my belt if your wondering why the dosages are so high and i am also 280 pounds. Weight does not dictate how much you need but past cycles and your response to anabolics would. Everyone responds differently to various drugs, combinations and dosages.

Now what i am uncertain of is waht should i run and and waht dosage i have some tren e and another couple bottles of this test 400, by edited. Which by the way is the best lab i have used yet, and i was thinking since i was just running 1000 mg a week of test would it be better for me to take 3 shots a week of the t 400 and 3 of the tren e with a bit of winnny, and prop at the end. I only have seven weeks thats why i am shooting it 3 times a week it fits perfect with my time frame. Or i was thinking that maybe since i took a two week break it wouldnt matter and i could get away with running 600mg a week of the test and 300 a week of the tren e. Any thoughts and should i also runn hcg through the whole 7 weeks considering i was just on a ten week cycle since you are wanting to look good and not hold a bunch of water i would go with 600 mgs of test and 300 mgs of tren per week to gain that hard look when used with proper diet and/or cardio. You do not have to run hcg through entire 7 weeks. Wait until you come off and do a full pct. Hcg increases estrogen-hence increasing your chance for gyno when combined with aromatizing steroids.
Sorry for this random post but no one has replied to my thread and i need to know asap thanks guys

answers above.

[duck095]

im just starting out what is a good cycle to begin with test

[Ronnie Rowland]

im just starting out what is a good cycle to begin with test

500 mgs of test enanthate or cypionate per week divided into two weekly injections.

[DS21]

Hi Ronnie,

I just finishing up 20 total weeks of your system. My last 8 week reload consisted of 500mg prop and 350 tren (I can't tolerate high doses of tren) and didn't gain much. My first 8 weeks were fine, I gained about 5 lean pounds, running 500mg of prop and 600mg npp. Do you think I need to up the dose on the test if I do another 8 week reload?

My diet consist of 50 grams protein and 50 grams of carbs for each of my first 7 meals and then a 30 gram protien shake before bed, for meal 8. I can give you the exact foods and weight if needed?

My stats are: 5'10", 235lbs and just over 15% bf.

My goal is: 250lb same BF is okay for now. I tend to grow better with a little bit higher BF%. The end goal is 240-250lb with 10%BF.

Any suggestions would be great, thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie,

I just finishing up 20 total weeks of your system. My last 8 week reload consisted of 500mg prop and 350 tren (I can't tolerate high doses of tren) and didn't gain much. My first 8 weeks were fine, I gained about 5 lean pounds, running 500mg of prop and 600mg npp. Do you think I need to up the dose on the test if I do another 8 week reload? YES!

My diet consist of 50 grams protein and 50 grams of carbs for each of my first 7 meals and then a 30 gram protien shake before bed, for meal 8. I can give you the exact foods and weight if needed? I do not need weight but I can look at your diet lay out and tell you what I think.

My stats are: 5'10", 235lbs and just over 15% bf.

My goal is: 250lb same BF is okay for now. I tend to grow better with a little bit higher BF%. The end goal is 240-250lb with 10%BF.

Any suggestions would be great, thanks!

Let me see your diet and training routine. Increase test to 1 gram next reload and I would go with enanthate or cypionate as it's less painful.

Some do better on tren enanthate as opposed to tren acetate so that's something to consider. You might try adding d-bol in the future if you stay with test/deca combo.

[DS21]

Let me see your diet and training routine. Increase test to 1 gram next reload and I would go with enanthate or cypionate as it's less painful.

Some do better on tren enanthate as opposed to tren acetate so that's something to consider. You might try adding d-bol in the future if you stay with test/deca combo.

Training: I follow the 12 sets per muscle group, as you recommended. I always shot for 8 reps. I don't do too much cardio, if any, since I've been haveing a hard time gaining weight.

Mon- Chest
Tue- Back
Wed- off or cardio
Thur- Shoulders
Fri- Arms (10 sets)
Sat- Legs
Sun- off or cardio

Diet M-Sat:
6am
1 cups of oats, cinnamon and 2 splenda packs
50 gram protein shake. It's a blend of Whey, Egg and Casein

6:30
Pre workout drink 20 grams carbs

7am- Train

8:30
50 grams of carbs by means of waxy maze
50 gram protein shake, same blend
All vitamins will be taken here as well

10:30 (I buy 2 foot longs from subway everyday and split it up into 4's)
6 inch wheat sub, double meat chicken breast, salt and pepper with vinager (according to website, this is 50grm protein and 52 grams carbs)

12:30
Another 6 inch sub

2:30
Another 6 inch sub

4:30-5
The last 6 inch sub

7:30 (dinner with family)
Usually, 2 large grilled chicken breast with large baked potato and 1-2 cups steamed veggies. Sometime meat changes, but only if my wife runs out of chicken. They eat something else.

9:30-10
32 grams of protein shake, same blend

I've been on this diet for well over 2 years. I use tabasco sauce for flavor a lot of the times.

Sundays are my days off so the subs are not eaten. I still eat 5 or 6 meals that day, with the last one being a shake.

During the deload, I eat the subs as single meat and only one chicken breast for dinner. I also cut the morning shakes to 32 grams instead of 50.

I tried upping my carbs to 100grm pre and post training during this last reload but felt more of a fat gain, then a muscle gain, during the month I tried it. Where do you think I should add more calories? I also don't like to eat fat, as I feel I grow better with carbs but not completely against it, if you think it will help?

I'm going to start the test on Sunday but maybe at 700mg/week instead of 1grm? I have about 100grms of prop brewed, so I will be running it for quit some time. I was also planning on running NPP this time at 700mg/week.

Let me know if you need any other info?

Thanks again for your time!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Training: I follow the 12 sets per muscle group, as you recommended. I always shot for 8 reps. I don't do too much cardio, if any, since I've been haveing a hard time gaining weight. ( I recommend not going past 12 sets. Some grow better on 8-9 very intense work sets per week. You should try cutting back and see what happens.)
Mon- Chest
Tue- Back
Wed- off or cardio
Thur- Shoulders
Fri- Arms (10 sets)
Sat- Legs
Sun- off or cardio

Diet M-Sat:
6am
1 cups of oats, cinnamon and 2 splenda packs
50 gram protein shake. It's a blend of Whey, Egg and Casein

6:30
Pre workout drink 20 grams carbs (DROP THIS MEAL)

7am- Train

8:30
50 grams of carbs by means of waxy maze
50 gram protein shake, same blend
All vitamins will be taken here as well

10:30 (I buy 2 foot longs from subway everyday and split it up into 4's)
6 inch wheat sub, double meat chicken breast, salt and pepper with vinager (according to website, this is 50grm protein and 52 grams carbs)

12:30
Another 6 inch sub

2:30
Another 6 inch sub

4:30-5
The last 6 inch sub

7:30 (dinner with family)
Usually, 2 large grilled chicken breast with large baked potato and 1-2 cups steamed veggies. Sometime meat changes, but only if my wife runs out of chicken. They eat something else. (ADD 3 TABLE SPOONS OF EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL ON BAKED POTATO FOR WEIGHT GAIN)

9:30-10
32 grams of protein shake, same blend (add table spoon of smart balance peanut butter for weight gain)

I've been on this diet for well over 2 years. I use tabasco sauce for flavor a lot of the times.

Sundays are my days off so the subs are not eaten. I still eat 5 or 6 meals that day, with the last one being a shake.

During the deload, I eat the subs as single meat and only one chicken breast for dinner. I also cut the morning shakes to 32 grams instead of 50.

I tried upping my carbs to 100grm pre and post training during this last reload but felt more of a fat gain, then a muscle gain, during the month I tried it. (this is why you need to add more healthy fats in your diet) Where do you think I should add more calories? I also don't like to eat fat, as I feel I grow better with carbs but not completely against it, if you think it will help? (FATS HELP BUILD MUSCLE WHERE AS CARBS ARE MOSTLY USED FOR FUEL)

I'm going to start the test on Sunday but maybe at 700mg/week instead of 1grm? I have about 100grms of prop brewed, so I will be running it for quit some time. I was also planning on running NPP this time at 700mg/week.

Let me know if you need any other info?

Thanks again for your time!

Answers above! You may need cabergoline with that much NPP.

[DS21]

Answers above! You may need cabergoline with that much NPP.

In regards to the fat consumption, I was always under the impression that fat can't build muscle? I thought carbs and fat were protein spearing foods, that allowed the protein to remain a protein so it could repair the muscles. Carbs were used as energy, as you stated, as well as to replenish glucose. And fat was used for energy, as well as hormone balance. And protein is what really builds/repairs muscle. I don't quit understand how fat can help with muscle building? If it can, then I am more then willing to consume it, I would just like to know how it builds muscle.

The 6:30 pre work out shake is an energy drink with Nitric Oxide and Kre Alkalyn. I need my energy

I have caber and I use/need it with Deca, thanks for looking out with that one!

Thanks for your reply and I look forward to the fat consumption answer.

[untold]

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[untold]

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[Ronnie Rowland]

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[ricky23]

hi ronnie, ive been taking 750mg of sustanon, 600mg deca a week and 40mg dianabol daily for a week and a half now. i weigh 90kg with relatively low bf and have a high protein/cal diet (400-500g protein, same carbs, 150g fats) i could really use some advice on how to cycle dosages. im planning on gaining as much mass as possible and have already seen a decent increase - i know the sus and deca will take 4 weeks before results become evident so its probably the dbol im seein. im also unsure about the length of the cycle - you say 8 weeks but other experienced users say that the first cycle should be the longest - ive read dave palumbo suggest a 24 week split of test coupled with a different compound for 8 weeks at a time. honestly, your advice would be appreciated. thanks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie, ive been taking 750mg of sustanon, 600mg deca a week and 40mg dianabol daily for a week and a half now. i weigh 90kg with relatively low bf and have a high protein/cal diet (400-500g protein, same carbs, 150g fats) i could really use some advice on how to cycle dosages. im planning on gaining as much mass as possible and have already seen a decent increase - i know the sus and deca will take 4 weeks before results become evident so its probably the dbol im seein. im also unsure about the length of the cycle - you say 8 weeks but other experienced users say that the first cycle should be the longest - ive read dave palumbo suggest a 24 week split of test coupled with a different compound for 8 weeks at a time. honestly, your advice would be appreciated. thanks.

I suggest a 20 week cycle for a first time user (8 week reload/2 week deload/8 week reload/2 week deload before coming off completely and doing and doing pct). Dave is a friend of mine and a very smart one at that! But, he and I part ways on this issue. I have my reasons. Let me explain-According to William Llewellyn's book-ANABOLICS 9th edition and I quote "ROTATING STEROIDS DOES NOT PREVENT RECEPTOR DOWNREGULATION. STEROIDS ALL WORK PRIMARILY BY ATTACHING TO AND ACTIVATING THE SAME RECEPTOR. AS SUCH, YOU DO NOT GAIN ANYTHING BY SWITCHING TO A NEW COMPOUND THAT WORKS VIA STIMULATING THE SAME RECEPTOR. IF TOLERANCE WERE INDUCED BY ONE AAS COMPOUND, IT WOULD BE EXTENDED TO ALL COMPOUNDS. THE PLATEAUUS EFFECT THAT IS NOTICED 6-8 WEEKS INTO MOST CYCLES IS POORLY UNDERSTOOD, BUT LIKELY RELATED TO NEW METABOLIC LIMITS PLACED ON THE MUSCLE CELLS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A CERTAIN ASS DOSAGE, NOT INSENSITIVITY TO AAS. CLASSIC DOWNREGULATION DOES NOT OCCUR WITH THESE DRUGS, AND EVEN IF IT DID, ROTATING STEROIDS WOULD NOT PREVENT IT."

Okay, I'll add some more information myself as to what I believe. I think new studies show that it's an increase in myostatin levels that are the main causes of steroids not working well after 8 weeks-hence the reason to deload for 2 weeks after having been on for 8 weeks.

I also believe that rotating steroids does not help with gains like Llewellyn's states but I do think it can help prevent side effects if you are prone. For example, some people can barely handle tren for 8 weeks. The thoughts of using tren for another grueling 8 weeks after a 2 week deload is not reasonable. For these people, throwing in a different anabolic like deca for the next 8 week reload would be idea. Not that changing coumpounds will provide more gains but it can provide less sides. Then the next reload they could go back to tren if they wanted.

With Slingshot Training you train in 10 week phases. Here's an example:

Phase 1-
Week 1-8 (RELOAD)= 750 MGS OF TEST SUSTANON PER WEEK/400 MGS OF DECA PER WEEK/25 MGS OF D-BOL DAILY
Week 9-10 (DELOAD)= 300 mgs of test

Phase 2 -
Week 11-18 (RELOAD)= 1 GRAM OF TEST SUSTANON WEEKLY/600 MGS OF DECA WEEKLY/50 MGS OF D-BOL DAILY
Week 19-20 (DELOAD)= 500 mgs of test

Phase 3-Dosages of test could be increased to 1250 a week, compounds could be changed, or you could run a small dose cycle of test only at about 500 per week for 3 rd reload and then drop it down to 200 for 2 week deload to give the body a break before hitting it hard again for a couple of 10 week phases. There are many options!

NOTE: It's okay to run long drawn out cycles such as 24 weeks when cutting but not the best plan when bulking. When cutting you are looking at muscle maintenance as opposed to making further gains-hence increasing myostatin levels after 8 weeks of being on aas would no be a problem.

[ricky23]

I suggest a 20 week cycle for a first time user (8 week reload/2 week deload/8 week reload/2 week deload before coming off completely and doing and doing pct). Dave is a friend of mine and a very smart one at that! But, he and I part ways on this issue. I have my reasons. Let me explain-According to William Llewellyn's book-ANABOLICS 9th edition and I quote "ROTATING STEROIDS DOES NOT PREVENT RECEPTOR DOWNREGULATION. STEROIDS ALL WORK PRIMARILY BY ATTACHING TO AND ACTIVATING THE SAME RECEPTOR. AS SUCH, YOU DO NOT GAIN ANYTHING BY SWITCHING TO A NEW COMPOUND THAT WORKS VIA STIMULATING THE SAME RECEPTOR. IF TOLERANCE WERE INDUCED BY ONE AAS COMPOUND, IT WOULD BE EXTENDED TO ALL COMPOUNDS. THE PLATEAUUS EFFECT THAT IS NOTICED 6-8 WEEKS INTO MOST CYCLES IS POORLY UNDERSTOOD, BUT LIKELY RELATED TO NEW METABOLIC LIMITS PLACED ON THE MUSCLE CELLS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A CERTAIN ASS DOSAGE, NOT INSENSITIVITY TO AAS. CLASSIC DOWNREGULATION DOES NOT OCCUR WITH THESE DRUGS, AND EVEN IF IT DID, ROTATING STEROIDS WOULD NOT PREVENT IT."

Okay, I'll add some more information myself as to what I believe. I think new studies show that it's an increase in myostatin levels that are the main causes of steroids not working well after 8 weeks-hence the reason to deload for 2 weeks after having been on for 8 weeks.

I also believe that rotating steroids does not help with gains like Llewellyn's states but I do think it can help prevent side effects if you are prone. For example, some people can barely handle tren for 8 weeks. The thoughts of using tren for another grueling 8 weeks after a 2 week deload is not reasonable. For these people, throwing in a different anabolic like deca for the next 8 week reload would be idea. Not that changing coumpounds will provide more gains but it can provide less sides. Then the next reload they could go back to tren if they wanted.

With Slingshot Training you train in 10 week phases. Here's an example:

Phase 1-
Week 1-8 (RELOAD)= 750 MGS OF TEST SUSTANON PER WEEK/400 MGS OF DECA PER WEEK/25 MGS OF D-BOL DAILY
Week 9-10 (DELOAD)= 300 mgs of test

Phase 2 -
Week 11-18 (RELOAD)= 1 GRAM OF TEST SUSTANON WEEKLY/600 MGS OF DECA WEEKLY/50 MGS OF D-BOL DAILY
Week 19-20 (DELOAD)= 500 mgs of test

Phase 3-Dosages of test could be increased to 1250 a week, compounds could be changed, or you could run a small dose cycle of test only at about 500 per week for 3 rd reload and then drop it down to 200 for 2 week deload to give the body a break before hitting it hard again for a couple of 10 week phases. There are many options!

NOTE: It's okay to run long drawn out cycles such as 24 weeks when cutting but not the best plan when bulking. When cutting you are looking at muscle maintenance as opposed to making further gains-hence increasing myostatin levels after 8 weeks of being on aas would no be a problem.

thanks ronnie, i really appreciate your advice and i'm going to follow the plan you've suggested as it confirms much of the research i've done on the subject - you're right, there are many options and thats what i found confusing. the only alteration im going to make is replacing dbol with anadrol for the second phase. thanks again

[VASCULAR VINCE]

I suggest a 20 week cycle for a first time user (8 week reload/2 week deload/8 week reload/2 week deload before coming off completely and doing and doing pct). Dave is a friend of mine and a very smart one at that! But, he and I part ways on this issue. I have my reasons. Let me explain-According to William Llewellyn's book-ANABOLICS 9th edition and I quote "ROTATING STEROIDS DOES NOT PREVENT RECEPTOR DOWNREGULATION. STEROIDS ALL WORK PRIMARILY BY ATTACHING TO AND ACTIVATING THE SAME RECEPTOR. AS SUCH, YOU DO NOT GAIN ANYTHING BY SWITCHING TO A NEW COMPOUND THAT WORKS VIA STIMULATING THE SAME RECEPTOR. IF TOLERANCE WERE INDUCED BY ONE AAS COMPOUND, IT WOULD BE EXTENDED TO ALL COMPOUNDS. THE PLATEAUUS EFFECT THAT IS NOTICED 6-8 WEEKS INTO MOST CYCLES IS POORLY UNDERSTOOD, BUT LIKELY RELATED TO NEW METABOLIC LIMITS PLACED ON THE MUSCLE CELLS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A CERTAIN ASS DOSAGE, NOT INSENSITIVITY TO AAS. CLASSIC DOWNREGULATION DOES NOT OCCUR WITH THESE DRUGS, AND EVEN IF IT DID, ROTATING STEROIDS WOULD NOT PREVENT IT."

Okay, I'll add some more information myself as to what I believe. I think new studies show that it's an increase in myostatin levels that are the main causes of steroids not working well after 8 weeks-hence the reason to deload for 2 weeks after having been on for 8 weeks.

I also believe that rotating steroids does not help with gains like Llewellyn's states but I do think it can help prevent side effects if you are prone. For example, some people can barely handle tren for 8 weeks. The thoughts of using tren for another grueling 8 weeks after a 2 week deload is not reasonable. For these people, throwing in a different anabolic like deca for the next 8 week reload would be idea. Not that changing coumpounds will provide more gains but it can provide less sides. Then the next reload they could go back to tren if they wanted.

With Slingshot Training you train in 10 week phases. Here's an example:

Phase 1-
Week 1-8 (RELOAD)= 750 MGS OF TEST SUSTANON PER WEEK/400 MGS OF DECA PER WEEK/25 MGS OF D-BOL DAILY
Week 9-10 (DELOAD)= 300 mgs of test

Phase 2 -
Week 11-18 (RELOAD)= 1 GRAM OF TEST SUSTANON WEEKLY/600 MGS OF DECA WEEKLY/50 MGS OF D-BOL DAILY
Week 19-20 (DELOAD)= 500 mgs of test

Phase 3-Dosages of test could be increased to 1250 a week, compounds could be changed, or you could run a small dose cycle of test only at about 500 per week for 3 rd reload and then drop it down to 200 for 2 week deload to give the body a break before hitting it hard again for a couple of 10 week phases. There are many options!

NOTE: It's okay to run long drawn out cycles such as 24 weeks when cutting but not the best plan when bulking. When cutting you are looking at muscle maintenance as opposed to making further gains-hence increasing myostatin levels after 8 weeks of being on aas would no be a problem.

damn..good..shit..ronnie!!!!!what's your thoughts combining masteron-test...offseason???cant do the tren thing..happy new year my man!!!!!!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

damn..good..shit..ronnie!!!!!what's your thoughts combining masteron-test...offseason???cant do the tren thing..happy new year my man!!!!!!!!

Test and Masteron is fine.

[Charlie6]

Hey Ronnie, good stuff, can't wait to try this out asap

The only thing I was wondering was, if you do a two week deload and knock test e back down to hrt dose and cut deca completely (which I'm assuming I should do), wouldn't it be pointless, as it takes longer than two weeks for the deca ester (and possibly the enant ester) to leave the body (thus allowing downregulation)? Because after those two weeks of deload, you would bump it all back up to reload, right?

thanks much

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie, good stuff, can't wait to try this out asap

The only thing I was wondering was, if you do a two week deload and knock test e back down to hrt dose and cut deca completely (which I'm assuming I should do), wouldn't it be pointless, as it takes longer than two weeks for the deca ester (and possibly the enant ester) to leave the body (thus allowing downregulation)? Because after those two weeks of deload, you would bump it all back up to reload, right?

thanks much

You want some downregulation to occur during a 2 week deload in order to allow myostatin levels to normalize. Then you can come back and make better gains during next 8 week reload by bumping things up!

[Charlie6]

You want some downregulation to occur during a 2 week deload in order to allow myostatin levels to normalize. Then you can come back and make better gains during next 8 week reload by bumping things up!

Thanks for the reply. So you're saying that the two week (small) downregulation (small b/c the esters/drugs aren't completely out of me because they are long esters) will be enough to accomplish this small myostatin level normalization?

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks for the reply. So you're saying that the two week (small) downregulation (small b/c the esters/drugs aren't completely out of me because they are long esters) will be enough to accomplish this small myostatin level normalization?

yes!

[Big Oz]

First off, I want to thank you for this great information. I have done about 10 or more cycles and I never thought one can run a cycle like this (slingshot). I guess most of us have been brainwashed into the stereotypical time on = time off style of juicing. My stats are 25 yrs old, 5'10 and am currently at about 190lbs with about 12%bf (estimation) but have been as heavy as 225lbs. I fell down a flight of stairs about 8 months ago and messed up a shoulder (everything is fine now) and basically had to start all over. I took a short cycle about 2 months ago and got back into it somewhat. Well on to my question. I have never really tried this slingshot approach, and am a bit confused. Im going to post what I feel is appropriate, and was hoping you could critique/give me some advice. I was planning on running the following.... * I was also thinking of throwing some clomid and nolvadex during my deload phases at 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva ed but I don't know if thats the right thing to do. Please help!

PHASE 1

reload week 1 - 8
test enenthate 750 mg/week
dbol 20mg/day (1-4 weeks)
deca 450 mg/week

deload week 9-10
test enenthate 300mg/week
hcg 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks

PHASE 2

reload week 11-18
test enanthate 1000mg/week
deca 450mg/week
dbol 30mg (week 1-4)

deload week 19-20
test enanthate 600mg/week
hcg 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks

Two things confuse me. First off, how long can I keep reloading and deloading without stopping? Second, where does a full PCT come into play and how long should it be ran for and with which drugs. Also during PCT do I work out moderately or every day. And once PCT is completed how long before my next reload?

Thanks in advance. This is by far the best info I have ran into in a long time!

[Ronnie Rowland]

First off, I want to thank you for this great information. I have done about 10 or more cycles and I never thought one can run a cycle like this (slingshot). I guess most of us have been brainwashed into the stereotypical time on = time off style of juicing. My stats are 25 yrs old, 5'10 and am currently at about 190lbs with about 12%bf (estimation) but have been as heavy as 225lbs. I fell down a flight of stairs about 8 months ago and messed up a shoulder (everything is fine now) and basically had to start all over. I took a short cycle about 2 months ago and got back into it somewhat. Well on to my question. I have never really tried this slingshot approach, and am a bit confused. Im going to post what I feel is appropriate, and was hoping you could critique/give me some advice. I was planning on running the following.... * I was also thinking of throwing some clomid and nolvadex during my deload phases at 50mg clomid and 20mg nolva ed but I don't know if thats the right thing to do. Please help! (You could run 500 ius of hcg per week during reloads or 1500 per week during deloads. Or you could wait and run HCG,NOLVA,CLOMID after 2 consecutive reloads. Several options are available!)
PHASE 1

reload week 1 - 8
test enenthate 750 mg/week
dbol 20mg/day (1-4 weeks)
deca 450 mg/week

deload week 9-10
test enenthate 300mg/week
hcg 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks

PHASE 2

reload week 11-18
test enanthate 1000mg/week
deca 450mg/week
dbol 30mg (week 1-4)

deload week 19-20
test enanthate 600mg/week
hcg 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks

Two things confuse me. First off, how long can I keep reloading and deloading without stopping? (You can do it for as long as you desire.) Second, where does a full PCT come into play and how long should it be ran for and with which drugs. (Full PCT can be done whenever you decide with hcg, nolva and clomid. For many recreational trainers who are young it's a good idea to run a full pct for 4 weeks after a 20 week cycle (2 slingshot phases). Also during PCT do I work out moderately or every day. (If you start full PCT during deload of second phase and then move into reload during third phase for another 2 weeks) Once PCT is completed how long before my next reload? If you start at week 19 during second deload the pct would end at the beginning of the third week in the following reload. At that point you could do two things:

1) Finish out 6 weeks worth of reloading and 2 more weeks of deloading before going back on aas. (Gives the body more of a break)

2) You could begin a new reload phase while using steroids immediatedly following 4 weeks of full pct. (Gives the body more size)
Thanks in advance. This is by far the best info I have ran into in a long time!

Answers above in bold!

[Big Oz]

thank you!

[Big Oz]

I also wanted to know if you thought the above slingshot cycle looked good in my original post .Ronnie when you say run 500 iu a week of hcg during reloads or 1500 during deloads, do you mean a total of 500 or 1500 a week, or that amount eod?. Sorry for the bombardment of questions, you just seem to know your shit

[Ronnie Rowland]

I also wanted to know if you thought the above slingshot cycle looked good in my original post .Ronnie when you say run 500 iu a week of hcg during reloads or 1500 during deloads, do you mean a total of 500 or 1500 a week, or that amount eod?. Sorry for the bombardment of questions, you just seem to know your shit

I would increase d-bol to 50 mgs per day during second reload. Everything else anabolic wise looks good.


HCG DOSAGES:


RELOADS 500 for the entire week during reloads (500 in one shot every 7 days)

DELOADS 1500 for entire week during deloads (1500 total for entire week divided into twice a week injections at 750 each)

FULL PCT 2500 eod for first 2 weeks/clomid is 50 mgs taken twice per day for 4 weeks/nolvadex is 20 mgs per day for 4 weeks.

[guillermo]

i have a question i am trying to get cut up (definitions) and i want something to help me get it fast wats the best thing that u recomend i need some thing oral and that wont show on regular dt can u help me with it thank u

[Ronnie Rowland]

i have a question i am trying to get cut up (definitions) and i want something to help me get it fast wats the best thing that u recomend i need some thing oral and that wont show on regular dt can u help me with it thank u

You're best bet is winstrol and/or anavar along with a low carb/low fat diet.

[guillermo]

if i take this winstrol and the anavar how much i have to take i notice the var give me strenght thats perfect and that winstrol help me cut up and strenght thats good so can u tell me how to take it thanks and its winn and var right thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

if i take this winstrol and the anavar how much i have to take i notice the var give me strenght thats perfect and that winstrol help me cut up and strenght thats good so can u tell me how to take it thanks and its winn and var right thanks

Injectable versions of test will not show up in drug screen nor will the oral form (andriol). You will lose sex drive if some form of test is not used. You do not need a lot but I would go with 200-300 mgs per week (1 cc injection) in order to maintain sex drive.

Use 25 mgs of winstrol per day and 20 mgs of var along with 300 mgs of test enanthate and you will get hard with the proper diet/cardio. You could use 300 mgs of andriol (oral test) per day but it's expensive and harder on the liver.

[anddyboy]

Hi Ron,
Im 44 years old been using steroids on and off for over 20years, without the gains I really wanted.

Just started using HGH as i was told because of my age it would really help, im taking a bottle a day = 8iu of ********** i would like to know what steroids i shouild take to loose fat and cut up as best i can

NOTE - I have taken approx 500 iu,s to date and all my joints are giving me growing pains as much info as poss would be agreat help

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ron,
Im 44 years old been using steroids on and off for over 20years, without the gains I really wanted.

Just started using HGH as i was told because of my age it would really help, im taking a bottle a day = 8iu of ********** i would like to know what steroids i shouild take to loose fat and cut up as best i can

NOTE - I have taken approx 500 iu,s to date and all my joints are giving me growing pains as much info as poss would be agreat help

I think you should cut the GH down to 4 ius per day divided into 2 shots and see if the joint pain dissapates. Regarding the effectiveness of GH, it's not always how much you use per day,as it is how long you use it. Some people can only take 2ius per day as anymore cause severe joint pain.

IMO test and tren is best for cutting down. Clenbuterol is also a good addition and some t-3 would work nicely with the GH/Clen combo.

Diet will play the largest role so reduce carbs and fats as needed while keeping protein pretty high.

[BigGuns76]

Hi Ron and everyone else reading this. First off, let me say that this is my first post on here and I hope that I'm posting correctly and in the right place. I'm a newbie to both online forums and to AAS cycles. I plan on doing my first cycle within 2 weeks.

My stats: 5'4, 172lbs, 18% body fat.

I plan on doing a 12 week cycle of 300 mgs of Tri Tren per week (200mg/ml - 50mg of Tren A, 50mgs Tren H, 100mgs Tren E) and weeks 8 - 12 I'll add 50mgs per day of Winstrol tabs. After week 12, I'll do 3 weeks of Clomid PCT. I've heard that I need to run Test with Tren in order to counter the sexual side effects of the tren.

My question is do I absolutely need to include Test in my cycle with the Tri Tren? My goal is be ripped by the summer and put on lean muscle mass during my cycle. I'm hesistant about adding Test to my cycle - Can I still look lean while on Test? Also, please keep in mind that I am dieting - 5 meals a day, 150 grams of protein total, hardly any carbs, about 15 grams of fat with each meal.

Any advice would be appreciated.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ron and everyone else reading this. First off, let me say that this is my first post on here and I hope that I'm posting correctly and in the right place. I'm a newbie to both online forums and to AAS cycles. I plan on doing my first cycle within 2 weeks.

My stats: 5'4, 172lbs, 18% body fat.

I plan on doing a 12 week cycle of 300 mgs of Tri Tren per week (200mg/ml - 50mg of Tren A, 50mgs Tren H, 100mgs Tren E) and weeks 8 - 12 I'll add 50mgs per day of Winstrol tabs. After week 12, I'll do 3 weeks of Clomid PCT. I've heard that I need to run Test with Tren in order to counter the sexual side effects of the tren.

My question is do I absolutely need to include Test in my cycle with the Tri Tren? My goal is be ripped by the summer and put on lean muscle mass during my cycle. I'm hesistant about adding Test to my cycle - Can I still look lean while on Test? Also, please keep in mind that I am dieting - 5 meals a day, 150 grams of protein total, hardly any carbs, about 15 grams of fat with each meal.

Any advice would be appreciated.

I wanted to get to this post first. You do not need something as strong as tren for your first cycle. That's a big mistake IMO and every vet on this baord is going to tell you the same! For a first cycle, test is all you really need at 500 mgs per week for 8 weeks. Yes, you can still look lean on test. The key is dropping the carbs!

Now if you are dead set on adding something to the test go with winnie but keep in mind winstrol causes joint pain for some people. It's best to start out slow and see how you are going to react.

[BigGuns76]

I wanted to get to this post first. You do not need something as strong as tren for your first cycle. That's a big mistake IMO and every vet on this baord is going to tell you the same! For a first cycle, test is all you really need at 500 mgs per week for 8 weeks. Yes, you can still look lean on test. The key is dropping the carbs!

Now if you are dead set on adding something to the test go with winnie but keep in mind winstrol causes joint pain for some people. It's best to start out slow and see how you are going to react.

Thanks for the good advice. I'll use 500 mgs of Test Enanthate for 8 weeks, plus the winnie. One last question -Should I use Tamoxifen or some other anti-estrogen while on the Test?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks for the good advice. I'll use 500 mgs of Test Enanthate for 8 weeks, plus the winnie. One last question -Should I use Tamoxifen or some other anti-estrogen while on the Test?

Use anti-es only if you start showing signs of gyno. Anti-es are best left for pre-contest. When you combine anti-es with winstrol you greatly increase your risk of doing permanent damage to your joints from all the drying out.