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[SexyKitty]

I guess that is the bottomline. We can both throw studies at eachother that disprove eachother and nothing will come out of it

But the fact that saturated fats isnt a risk factor for heart diseases(you never said it is but thats what started this all) can atleast be determined by simple logic. Look at the different parts of the world where heart diseaes is least comon and avarage lifespan is highest and then look how much saturated fats they eat.

I guess we can agree to disagree now. Sorry if I offended you, this isnt even a topic Im knowlegable about I just get very worked up when debating something and I usualy defend the controversial viewpoints. In this case what I have read from the controversial side makes more sense to me then what I have read from the other side so I will stick to that until I am convinced otherwise.

OK, now I am lost. Is your argument against saturated fats, Ldl, or both? Because I didnt say a thing about saturated fats, dont know enough about it to comment. My argument is end result of high ldl and low hdl.

[SexyKitty]

I am undecided. I am SURE saturated fats isnt a risk factor for cardiovascular diseases and I am in doubt if LDL is. But I am not well read on the last part so I have not taken a stance yet

Ok, well saturated fats I wont even comment on cause like I said, I dont know enough about them. There is a link bw high LDL, low HDL and CVD, but more importantly, there is a greater risk bw the size of the LDL particle and low HDL and cvd. Remeber, I am simply stating that these are a few of MANY risk factors of cvd, all of which we should aim to control. I have to go now but if I get you some good links to some studies will you humour me and read them? I'll in turn read yours, just no time right now, gotta go.

[SexyKitty]

sure Il read them. Cant say when though since on thursday Im leaving for a week. But I am always looking to learn

I think that even if ldl is a risk factor its a overexagerated risk factor while homcystein and lp(a) has been somewhat neglected. We seem to agree on that.

Thanks for a few interesting hours sis

Haha, okay fair enough. We'll leave it at this and pick it up after we have done all our "reading". On one last note, homocysteine has not been totally neglected, it was not understood for a long time and as medecine has evolved they know so much more now about cardiovascular markers. Most likely when the next guidelines for heart disease are published, homocys
teine will be noted as an independant risk factor. The good thing though is that we do have the knowledge on how to rdecrease levels of it (folic acid, b12 and 6)

Thanks for challenging my brain today. See ya

[TheChosenOne]

I am undecided. I am SURE saturated fats isnt a risk factor for cardiovascular diseases and I am in doubt if LDL is. But I am not well read on the last part so I have not taken a stance yet

If you'd like I'll chemically break down how SFA effect cholesterol negatively. This study has been on going for 35yrs. Why do you think even with the latest research the 2005 Food Guide is designed the way it is? It caters to MUSA consumption and shuns SFA intake. I will trust peer reviewed medical advice over a select few. And also I'm curious as to why you say that other countries (with different diets) dont have the mortality rate the US does. What diets are you referring to? Certainly the eastern european diet is much healther than the western diet, but that is in large part due to abundant wine and fish consumption.

[SexyKitty]

lowered ldl but no benifit....

The UKPDS (United Kingdom, Prospective, Diabetes Study a 10,000 pt, 25 yr study) also couldnt prove that glycemic control reduces CVD, yet we know that hyperglycemia increases the risk of CVD and I know you believe that.