PCT and Cycle Recomendations: Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control

[ngreen23]

what's the best otc to combat cortisol in your opinion?

[Drummerboy]

dont know what will work best for you, however vit c is safe... there are other natural prods out there too.

[Tuna11]

Can anybody give a guy a few suggestions?? I have taken a cycle of primo in the past and neer even did anything about the PCT. So most of my gains went away. Now I am aware of it but still confused a bit. I am in the middle of another primo cycle, and definately gonna do it alittle different when done this cycle. I'm just not sure which to take if you are on a cycle of primo. Is each steroid different when it comes to PCT? Or is there some general PCT that covers most steroids??

Thanks

Rookie

[chris39n]

Can anybody give a guy a few suggestions?? I have taken a cycle of primo in the past and neer even did anything about the PCT. So most of my gains went away. Now I am aware of it but still confused a bit. I am in the middle of another primo cycle, and definately gonna do it alittle different when done this cycle. I'm just not sure which to take if you are on a cycle of primo. Is each steroid different when it comes to PCT? Or is there some general PCT that covers most steroids??

Thanks

Rookie

depends what doses you are running mate,you prob lost gains as estrogen destroyed your gains.but you would wanna run nolva and some clomid.

[artifitialmuscle]

what non prescription pct drug can i take after an 8wk cycle of deca.how can i keep my gains

[reto]

i woz guna do a 12 week enha and deca cycle iv read a lot about the pct but theres so much to take in wot would be suitable to take for pct after thanx

[Gymjunkie25]

Great read Drummerboy - cheers for the info. I have some questions though...

I am beginning my first ever cycle and have opted for sust250. I need some advice about whether I should be taking a SERM such as Novladex during my cycle (regardless of whether I show sypmtoms of gyno or not) or should I wait till the end of my cycle and 21 days after my last injection should I start taking a SERM such as Novladex as PCT in order to prevent any negative eustrogen related side effects and kickstart my own natural testorone supply into gear? As you said there is a ton of info out there but its hard toi make sense of so Im just looking for some straight forward and simple advice about what is best to do on my first cycle to get the best gains (and keep them) and prevent any damage to my body. I appreciate your help.
Cheers

[Jerseyboy2180]

Help
I just started a test cycle two weeks ago the first week I took 100mgs and the second week I took 200 mgs and now my nipples are hurting I don't feel any lumps can somebody help me with this I would like to know if anybody have had this?

[chwala]

nice educative post keep it up

[Antcox]

I'm on a sust 250 deca 300 cycle what do I need to b running to control estrogen i havent had any ais or anything and about 6 weeks into cycle. I know its a lil late but better late than never

[ElPatriot]

Has anyone tried the clomid from bully labs?? Taste a little to much like candy. Gear was gtg but I’m worried my pct is fake.

[Leader05]

very informative post...an eye opener

Thanks for sharing

[BGIZZLE8629]

Where is the PROVIRON???

[Drummerboy]

Proviron can be used to block estrogen of course... however it is well explained in the other section by Mr. Roberts.

Where is the PROVIRON???

[Phil ORourke]

tanks i learned something about cortisol

[*Narkissos*]

bump.

[athlete20]

So basically, a Toremifene/Aromasin PCT would be better than a Nolva/Clomid/Aromasin one?

[Drummerboy]

So basically, a Toremifene/Aromasin PCT would be better than a Nolva/Clomid/Aromasin one?

I think the aro/nolva/hcg is the preferred, but everyone is different

[pyschomab]

very informative! Ill defiantly try vitamin c after my next cycle to block cortisol!

[the fly]

Just finished this
12 weeks
week 1-12 Test Cyp 200 MG 2x week
During Test week 1-4 Dbol 30mg everyday
During Test week 8-12 winstrol 50mg every day.

I ran Nolvadex 10 mg ed for 1 week, then ill do 20 mg ed for 2 weeks. That’s my plan for PCT on the Above is that ok? PLEASE suggest a decent minimal PCT if just Nolvadex isn’t ok.

NOW I want to start this masteron cycle ASAP

8 - 10 week cycle
During week 1- 8 or 10 test Cyp 200 MG 2x a week
During week 1- 8 or 10 Masteron 100mg EOD
Winny 25 or 50 mgs every day? or every other day?

I’m 5' 8.5”, 182LBS age 33 male.

When can I start the masteron and any tips on the cycle????

Suggestions for PCT on this cycle too?

I get confused because PCT is defined as Post Cycle Therapy but really seems to take place during the cycle also.
Another confusing point is that it is said to start PCT 18 days after last inject of test cyp and 24 hours after last winstrol admin.
So if I end them both at the same time, then when does PCT start?
Do you go with the furthest out date because you still have steroids in your system?

Please advise on all above.

[Drummerboy]

PM me ill answer there

[texasman0206]

Great info...

[lee_fitness]

[QUOTE=Drummerboy]Ok here goes...


AI's (Aromatase Inhibitors) : There are 2 types of AI's. Type I (suicide inhibitor) attaches to the aromatase enzyme and permanently disables it. Type II compete for the enzyme, but dont destroy it. Both are effective at lowering estrogen substantially. Both are commonly used during both cycling and PCT. Used mainly when low estrogen levels are desired, like contest preparation/cutting. Beware that lowering estrogen with strong AI's can have a negative effect on cholesterol levels.


Aromasin (Exemestane) : This drug is classified as a Type I Suicide AI. It binds to the aromatase enzyme and kills it. It is effective at lowering estrogen up to 85%. Once again, you have to watch out for your cholesterol levels. Used mainly for cutting when low estrogen levels are desired. Aromasin is shown to help bone density. Clinical doses are about 25mg a day, but it has been shown that as little as 2.5mg a day can be as effective.

Lentaron (Formestane) : A Type I Suicide AI. Lentaron is not classified as a drug, and can be sold over the counter as a suppliment. Not as strong as the third generation AIs (arimidex, femera). Can lower estrogen by about 60%. Used as an injectable, it is dosed at about 250mg every 2 weeks. Due to poor bioavailability, daily doses of oral Lentaron are about 250mg.

Arimidex (Anastrozole) : This is a widely used type II AI. It competes with estrogen for the aromatase enzyme. This effectively lowers estrogen up to 80% in the blood. Approved for use in 1995 to fight breast cancer. At doses up to 1mg a day, it has been shown to be very effective at controlling estrogen while on cycle or in PCT. It is usefull for curbing the effects that come with aromatizing AAS's while in cycle, and can be used in PCT. Nolvadex is shown to decrease the effectiveness of Arimidex when used together. In this case a suicide inhibitor may be more well suited, like in PCT. It is also called L-dex, in its liquid form.

Femera (Letrozole) : Letro is a competative Type II AI also. Also farely new compared to other compounds, it is shown to be effective at lowering estrogen by blocking the aromatase enzyme. Doses up to 2.5mg a day are used, but usually as low as .5mg a day can be just as effective. Clinical studies show Femera to lower estrogen by 75-78%. Once again, watch out for you blood lipids (cholesterol) to get out of whack. There may a noted rebound effect of estrogen levels that goes along with Letro use.


Quote:...

Great post but isnt you info on letro @ blocking estrogen out dated. Thes figures dont seem to match as Letro is commonly know to lower estrogen to 95% + ?

arimidex 60% aroma 50%? I'll have to recheck this source on the adex + aroma, but the Letro?? why do you say is lowers estrogen less when it is a very strong AI.

Please reply.

Thanks, Lee

[jnm]

informative, much appreciated

[Drummerboy]

[quote=lee_fitness;3601555]

Ok here goes...


AI's (Aromatase Inhibitors) : There are 2 types of AI's. Type I (suicide inhibitor) attaches to the aromatase enzyme and permanently disables it. Type II compete for the enzyme, but dont destroy it. Both are effective at lowering estrogen substantially. Both are commonly used during both cycling and PCT. Used mainly when low estrogen levels are desired, like contest preparation/cutting. Beware that lowering estrogen with strong AI's can have a negative effect on cholesterol levels.


Aromasin (Exemestane) : This drug is classified as a Type I Suicide AI. It binds to the aromatase enzyme and kills it. It is effective at lowering estrogen up to 85%. Once again, you have to watch out for your cholesterol levels. Used mainly for cutting when low estrogen levels are desired. Aromasin is shown to help bone density. Clinical doses are about 25mg a day, but it has been shown that as little as 2.5mg a day can be as effective.

Lentaron (Formestane) : A Type I Suicide AI. Lentaron is not classified as a drug, and can be sold over the counter as a suppliment. Not as strong as the third generation AIs (arimidex, femera). Can lower estrogen by about 60%. Used as an injectable, it is dosed at about 250mg every 2 weeks. Due to poor bioavailability, daily doses of oral Lentaron are about 250mg.

Arimidex (Anastrozole) : This is a widely used type II AI. It competes with estrogen for the aromatase enzyme. This effectively lowers estrogen up to 80% in the blood. Approved for use in 1995 to fight breast cancer. At doses up to 1mg a day, it has been shown to be very effective at controlling estrogen while on cycle or in PCT. It is usefull for curbing the effects that come with aromatizing AAS's while in cycle, and can be used in PCT. Nolvadex is shown to decrease the effectiveness of Arimidex when used together. In this case a suicide inhibitor may be more well suited, like in PCT. It is also called L-dex, in its liquid form.

Femera (Letrozole) : Letro is a competative Type II AI also. Also farely new compared to other compounds, it is shown to be effective at lowering estrogen by blocking the aromatase enzyme. Doses up to 2.5mg a day are used, but usually as low as .5mg a day can be just as effective. Clinical studies show Femera to lower estrogen by 75-78%. Once again, watch out for you blood lipids (cholesterol) to get out of whack. There may a noted rebound effect of estrogen levels that goes along with Letro use.


Quote:...

Great post but isnt you info on letro @ blocking estrogen out dated. Thes figures dont seem to match as Letro is commonly know to lower estrogen to 95% + ?

arimidex 60% aroma 50%? I'll have to recheck this source on the adex + aroma, but the Letro?? why do you say is lowers estrogen less when it is a very strong AI.

Please reply.

Thanks, Lee

depends on the dose.

[mayhemike]

Good Info!

[Big_guy17]

Sustanon 250:

First 2 weeks (500mg once a week)
Stay at 250mg for the rest of the cycle

Any PCTs?

[dovedescent]

thanks much appreciated

[perfectbeast2001]

excellent read mate.

[Drummerboy]

thnx

[liftin]

why doesnt the sponsor sell TOR..

[Drummerboy]

tor??

[Jackblack20]

First of all great post!

Now for questions:
How does a product like propecia compare with the other RI's that you mentioned...also do those RI's that you mentioned have an affect on the anabolic gains because blocking conversion of test to DHT, or are they specific to the cites where they are needed (sculp, prostate) more then in the muscles? and which one do you recommend?

Aslo you don't seem too big on blocking cortisol, I know you mentioned a healthy diet, vitamins, and I know sleep is always a big factor. I know it's listed as a Proggesterone control, but have you found out any more info on RU-486?

Also how do you feel about a natural herb such as terrestris tribulus used in PCT, to help naturally restore your test levels?

I also have been hearing a lot about using Proviron in PCT, what is your outlook on that?

[Drummerboy]

i dont use dht blockers, but i do hear that they can hinder your gains somewhat. Im not sure what is in propecia... i believe thats a commercial name for a product? When you take test, you are blocking cortisol. Its the rebound after a cycle ppl should watch for. I havent really heard much about ru-486, except for a few guys that have used it and like it... however i dont think its widely used enough to gather information. With all the standard PCT stuff out there, i dont think there is a need to go for that. Tribulus is good for some ppl and wouldnt hurt to try. Its natural, so you could add it to PCT without problems IMO. Proviron is also a mild estrogen blocker, but again, with basics like nolvadex, aromasin, clomid, arimidex, hcg, etc i dont think you have to look elsewhere for good pct stuff. You could give it a shot tho, i would read up on the proviron profile to get a better picture of how to properly use it.

~DB~

[Jackblack20]

Thanks for the answers...
Yeah propecia is actually the brand name for finasteride, i found out. It sounds like in your description that avodart (dutasteride) is actually the better way to go for sides, but does this mean decrease in strength gains...I'm curious about RI's cause I'm prone to hairloss, and want to prevent that as much as possible. I've read the proviron profile, and Roberts doesn't seem to give it very good reviews, but I"ve heard a lot about it in the Q&A section, and how a lot of people run it throughout there cycle, it also is suppose to free-up testosterone, which is obviously needed during PCT... yeah i think a good tribulus product might help just to get your nat test levels back up and flowin, that is the trickiest part i hear.... so when are you going to come out with your full DB PCT protocol? I'll be interested in taking a look at it with all the interesting profiles you listed in this section!! Do you have much experience with PCT....what have you found works best?
-JB

[Drummerboy]

well, for me, the anothony roberts PCT is a great way to go...

[39+1]

thank you

[Drummerboy]

your welcome

[J-Dogg]

PCT has come a long way. I've been a memeber for a long time and PCT was not a big subject in early 2000's.

I suffered some gyno cause of it. Honestly, the PCT is more important to maintain a healthy life style and over all happiness than the cycle and gains. Ever try being happy with C cups? It's awful to work so hard and not want to take off your shirt.

Stay up on your PCT!

[wrj]

PCT has come a long way. I've been a memeber for a long time and PCT was not a big subject in early 2000's.

I suffered some gyno cause of it. Honestly, the PCT is more important to maintain a healthy life style and over all happiness than the cycle and gains. Ever try being happy with C cups? It's awful to work so hard and not want to take off your shirt.

Stay up on your PCT!

Word!