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    Quote Originally Posted by kloter1
    hell ya in that pic your arms look great. maybe it was the angle of the camera. looking real solid!!
    thanks yeah the angle of the camera def. makes a difference.

    I also changed my arm routine recently......i used to train arms (and everything else) once every 10-11 days or so..... i trained with just extreme volume, like 15-20 sets for bi's and tri's. I decreased the volume in my new routine- And i am training arms and everything else every 8th day, split into 5 workouts (averages to about 4.5 workout days per week) I only am training with 8-9 sets for bi's and tri's, and i have found that the lowered volume REALLY lets me put 110% into each and every set...... whereas before with the huge volume, my energy decreased significantly after like 11 sets, and the rest of the sets really ended up being a waste.

    Incase anyone is interested......for traps i do two workouts, once every 8 days too, and two traps exercises per workout. For my first workout i will use dumbells and will do dumbell shrugs (very heavy and very high reps- i'll use the 140's for like 30 reps) 3-4 sets, and i will do 3-4 sets of dumbell upright rows, really focusing on the squeeze.

    The second workout, i do barbell shrugs and barbell upright rows, and i do not do so many reps per set, and i go heavy ( i recently shrugged 495 for a set of 5 reps)

    Over the past year i've learned three crucial things that i used to be headstrong about: 1) Always train with good form and feel as much as a pump as possible, 2) diet, diet diet, and enough calories! and 3) Sleep, 8-9 hours per day......i used to not get much sleep at all. Not getting enough sleep and then trying to workout= Horrible workouts that are torture imho.

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    yup....Gettin the cannon look for sure...

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    Not to drag out the acne issue...but, do you realize you'll be covered in scars if and when the acne does go away if you don't fix it asap?

    After my second cycle the acne just would not go away...it was only on my face and nothing near as bad as yours and I damn near lost my mind over the shit. I'm on accutane right now and getting monthly blood tests...so far so good...after the first 2 months I've been spotless...shit works like magic.

    I guess all I'm saying is don't let the doc scare you out of doing the accutane...with blood tests you should be safe.

    Other than that you've made a hell of a transformation...congrats on that. I hope you can get the acne prob sorted out.

    About the stretch marks...I had that problem too. Between my shoulders and chest I've got some big ones, I found that using vitamin e lotion in the morning and night helps keep them from getting worse FWIW.

    Good Luck

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    Yes, accutane is the miracle drug for acne.

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    Lookin solid bro keep it up ,I would tan to cover up the acne or u could paint yourself green and be a Hawk !
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    In the shirt picture, your arms look good but your chest doesnt stick out much at all. Work chest more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellmask
    In the shirt picture, your arms look good but your chest doesnt stick out much at all. Work chest more.
    yeah it's because i have my shirt on my chest is pretty good- it all depends on the angle of the camera. in that photo i am not flaring my chest at all, i am just standing

    again, i've gone from a bench of 215 x3-4 reps in early 2005 to a current bench of 350x6-7 reps. For a 14 month time frame i think that is impressive and my chest has grown several inches

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward065
    yeah it's because i have my shirt on my chest is pretty good- it all depends on the angle of the camera. in that photo i am not flaring my chest at all, i am just standing

    again, i've gone from a bench of 215 x3-4 reps in early 2005 to a current bench of 350x6-7 reps. For a 14 month time frame i think that is impressive and my chest has grown several inches

    Nice strength increase. Nice size bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward065
    again, i've gone from a bench of 215 x3-4 reps in early 2005 to a current bench of 350x6-7 reps. For a 14 month time frame i think that is impressive and my chest has grown several inches
    WOW.. that is wicked bro.... Holy crap...you should be proud of yourself.. that is ALOT of weight, my friend,..... alot of weight....
    Fantastic!!!

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    Bro forget the haters that are making total stupid remarks about the acne .


    Akrus423 YOUR A FOOL BRO And your comments are dumb as well .Id just keep my mouth shut if thats the kinda crap that comes out of it .

    Anyways ward065 you look great bro . It looks like you have done your work and its paying off ..In the first before pic were you natural then ??Just curious ..AC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony C
    Bro forget the haters that are making total stupid remarks about the acne .


    Akrus423 YOUR A FOOL BRO And your comments are dumb as well .Id just keep my mouth shut if thats the kinda crap that comes out of it .

    Anyways ward065 you look great bro . It looks like you have done your work and its paying off ..In the first before pic were you natural then ??Just curious ..AC
    yup in the first pic i was 100% natural, started first cycle in i think early may of 2005......but i did not gain as much as i wanted to then. Because my diet was not as good as it could have been......

    Made superb gains on second cycle and in the third one i recently began, it's even better than the second....because.....now i am eating 4,500 cals versus 4,000 which i was doing before Watching closely though not to gain bodyfat.

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    You look great. Incredible progress, you seem to respond really well to your cycles.

    I'd also recommend trying accutane, mainly because it'd be under doctor supervision (unlike your aas use). He can closely monitor you for sides and adjust the dose accordingly.

    But to continue with the acne scarring as it is is akin to skipping PCT.

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    thickmas, the acne came from the tren. that i am 100% sure of.

    I am suprised though that others run higher doses yet dont get acne. I do however use long-estered tren ( I *HATE* injecting ED!). And i don't go above 400mg either.

    my fear with accutane, as i have stated is the bad side effects it can present. There was a thread on here made the other day about it and some of the sides are very concerning.....do a search and it will come up.

    Read somewhere also accutane can cause brain tumors (!) I think this was in a newspaper or magazine many months back

    Thank you for the complements as it certain'y ain't easy. Although i will admit it's fun because of the constant challenges. I used to play years back online role-playing games: The one i got addicted to was EverQuest. In these games you would always build up your character- if you were a "mage" you would gain the knowledge of more spells, more intelligence and more hit points (damage you could sustain). Hell, Bodybuilding is like a real life role playing game....and it's a lot more challenging and a LOT more rewarding than some game of virtually building up your character. That's how i view it!

    Damn though, that game nearly ruined my life, i was always at the computer, falling behind in school/college etc because of this stupid game!!!!! I only train 4 days a week, so i have a lot more time for other things now
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    [QUOTE=ward065]
    Thank you for the complements as it certain'y ain't easy. Although i will admit it's fun because of the constant challenges.

    Hell, Bodybuilding is like a real life role playing game....and it's a lot more challenging and a LOT more rewarding than some game of virtually building up your character. That's how i view it!

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    you have a great attitude bro.. you will NO DOUBT meet your goals one day...

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    I understand what u say mate, but it seems tren gave u the greatest gains. Catch 22.

    I think the hardest part of bodybuilding is having to use ones' self as a guinea pig because the Feds outlawed doctors advising on its use. Now almost no doctors know much about products like Tren and cant help you use it safely.

    Bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thickmass
    I understand what u say mate, but it seems tren gave u the greatest gains. Catch 22.

    I think the hardest part of bodybuilding is having to use ones' self as a guinea pig because the Feds outlawed doctors advising on its use. Now almost no doctors know much about products like Tren and cant help you use it safely.

    Bastards.
    there is no doubt tren gives good gains, but, in my first cycle where i used no tren, i did gain pretty good mass (just not as much as i would have liked), however, i just could not seem to pack down the food- enough food, that is. i probably averaged like 3400-3500 calories a day, hence that is why i did not gain as much as i would have liked. I just had trouble eating more than that

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    Im working hard to one day be ripped like you bro....Keep up the great work!!! and keep postin progress pics too!!

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    staying pretty ripped isnt too hard for me at all. I know when i am hungry, and i know when i am full. I have never taken fat burners either.

    However, i must push my hunger limits when i gain mass on a cycle- enough so i am gaining mass but not so much that i put on fat. And if you listen to your body at least for me, you wont put on fat. It is tough for me to gain mass because i have to eat so damn much- although about 5 years ago i was a tub of lard, and it seemed that everything i ate, just ended up making my waist bigger, so it must be the increased muscle why i have to eat so much, just to maintain my weight.

    another funny thing is i eat desserts too unlike a lot of guys- i usually have at least 1 dessert a day, maybe a cookie, a little bit of ice cream. In fact today i ate lunch at mcdonalds, two quarter pounders with cheese, a small french fries and one of those mcflurry desserts, although that's usually 1-2 meals a week.
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    I skimmed through but couldn't find your current weight? Lookin good Ward.
    Props.

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    ya dude, i would hit up the accutane if i were you. looking solid man. I would say your chest and quads are the only parts that look like they are laggin.

    KEEP IT UP MAN

    GP

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    Okay, personally, I think bodybuilding is about looking good with your shirt off and would definitely trade some size and cutting to not have that acne. Lot's of guys at the gym get on and start taking anything and everything and then they are all scarred up with the acne. Just a personal choice that I would rather be a little smaller and more bf without the acne. I didn't understand your bench press stuff, as you said your max on bench was a little under 360# and then said you could bench 355# for 6-7 reps, maybe you meant 315# for 6-7 reps? What are you trying to accomplish, maybe that would help people here to understand your motivation for putting up with the acne. Everything is a trade off to some degree. The progress is noticable. Did I miss your stats, I didn't see the beginning and current height and weight?

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    BTW,

    my 13 year old cousin took accutane, and it works like a charm. It wouldnt be approved by the FDA if it caused brain tumors!

    Let me get this straight you took TREN! but are scared of accutane.

    Did I miss something. BTW, the docs take blood tests, and as a result can also test for any others sides from the AAS.

    GP

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbody66
    Okay, personally, I think bodybuilding is about looking good with your shirt off and would definitely trade some size and cutting to not have that acne. Lot's of guys at the gym get on and start taking anything and everything and then they are all scarred up with the acne. Just a personal choice that I would rather be a little smaller and more bf without the acne. I didn't understand your bench press stuff, as you said your max on bench was a little under 360# and then said you could bench 355# for 6-7 reps, maybe you meant 315# for 6-7 reps? What are you trying to accomplish, maybe that would help people here to understand your motivation for putting up with the acne. Everything is a trade off to some degree. The progress is noticable. Did I miss your stats, I didn't see the beginning and current height and weight?
    no i wasn't mistaken, i can bench 350-355 for 6-7 reps. I can do 315 for about 11 good reps...

    What am i trying to accomplish? To get huge, what else?

    As far as weight.....i am about 5'11".......In those first pics i THINK i was about 172-174 pounds........higher bf. Now, as of today, this morning i weigh 197 pounds and my bodyfat is certainly lower than it was in those first pictures.

    As i've said the extremely rapid growth......has given me really bad stretch marks too. I think of them however as "trophee's" of my hard work. Under my arms, the skin there is so extremely thin it looks like it could rip! (Seriously!)

    Some people may think i'm a bit nuts... but i absolutely LOVE busting my ass in the gym, the feeling is incredibly satisfying!

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    Keep your trophee's dude, I'm 5'6" tall, weigh 190#, bench 375# for a 1rm, am 39 years old, have all of my hair, no acne and no stretch marks. If your goal is to get huge fast no matter what the cost, it looks like you are on the right track and should be complimented for you progress. I want to make progress for the rest of my life in my appearance and my health. I'm still confused about the bench press, if your max is under 360# how could you rep 355# 6-7 times? My max is 375# and I can't rep 355, but then again my form is very strict for all of my lifts, max or reps. Your muscle structure and bodyfat are very impressive. Stay focused on what you want to accomplish and to heck with what the rest of us think, take some advice from the guys on here who know what they are talking about though, it is a great site. Learning from other peoples experience and mistakes makes the most sense of all!

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    regarding my bench, my max is 350-355 for 6-7 reps. I can't do as much weight on incline versus flat bench though.

    I never do bench's with just 1 rep nor any other lift fror that matter. Perhaps this was the confusion. I am sure i could bench more for that one rep max, however, i do not see that as necessary in bodybuilding, not to mention the fact that injuries can occur this way.

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    for those haters on this man about his acne, that is rediculous. ward, jealousy is an ugly thing, dont worry about people making comments about the acne, you are looking great. I know a dude at my gym that got acne 3 times that bad, and when he got off his cycle it went away and left no scars. Also tanning will help dry them things up. Good look man, looking huge.

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    thanks for the compliments bro... i'm making progress towards my goals, but the truth is i'm just getting started.....there is so much more work to be done

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    Quote Originally Posted by ward065
    thanks for the compliments bro... i'm making progress towards my goals, but the truth is i'm just getting started.....there is so much more work to be done
    good gains, how much in bench?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Rodriguez
    good gains, how much in bench?
    Some people...

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    haha, exactly how I feel. It will never be good enough.

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    oh by the way U NEED TO GET A TAN!

    1. It will show off the muscles more.
    2. Chicks hate guys who are that pale.
    3. The sun is gonna destroy your skin.
    Last edited by Akrus423; 03-10-2006 at 03:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrus423
    oh by the way U NEED TO GET A TAN!

    1. It will show off the muscles more.
    2. Chicks hate guys who are that pale.
    3. The sun is gonna destroy your skin.
    my fair skin isn't my fault. I get sunlight very frequently and it's because of my ancestry: Irish, Swedish (Or Finnish, i am really not sure), and i think Dutch and Italian too........ do you think in most of those countries there is a lot of sunlight? No, and that is why if you look at many natives there their skin is pale...

    Girls don't seem to mind though

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