Rock Hard ABS CYCLE???

[marcus300]

To answer the original question, there is no AAS what will give you rock hard abs, diet,cardio, commitment and being consistent will help to bring the abs out with dropping of the BF, certain AAS will help to harden the body up when BF is low but they will not make your abs pop out like ice cubes,

Cardio/diet is very important to achieve the goal

[Xprime]

hmmmmm okay, maybe someday u will understand that u can get abs without to do cardio. That need a good diet and to work ur abs correctly everyweeks.

I quit the thread.

PS: I am a believer in cardio however

[scriptfactory]

To answer the original question, there is no AAS what will give you rock hard abs, diet,cardio, commitment and being consistent will help to bring the abs out with dropping of the BF, certain AAS will help to harden the body up when BF is low but they will not make your abs pop out like ice cubes,

Cardio/diet is very important to achieve the goal

Exactly. I think the original thread poster has genetically "shallow" abs and wished to increase their development.

[marcus300]

hmmmmm okay, maybe someday u will understand that u can get abs without to do cardio. That need a good diet and to work ur abs correctly everyweeks.

I quit the thread.

PS: I am a believer in cardio however

If you can get abs by diet alone good for you but id say majority of BB's will have to do cardio and diet to drop BF to bring them out,

your comment "i am believer in cardio however" tells me something else...when do you believer in cardio then? if its not to drop BF along side a diet?

[C_Bino]

hmmmmm okay, maybe someday u will understand that u can get abs without to do cardio. That need a good diet and to work ur abs correctly everyweeks.

I quit the thread.

PS: I am a believer in cardio however

Not all people can get abs with diet alone pal. The reason people jumped on your comments is because you said

Cardio Is Not Important unless u want to improve ur cardio vascular health

You are giving advice based on genetics not something thats proven. And you also said

U could use winny too

Where does this come from? Winny will not give you abs, and if your brother only used winny, well he doesnt know much about steroids and also he could have gotten the same or better results using test, or another compound.

Anyways you gave horrible advice imo. It doesnt matter if YOUR bother got abs, you dont give people advice based on that. You could say "my brother did this or that." But dont come in here and state is as if it will work for anyone and as if its the right way to do it.

[piepiezzz]

To be fair however, I have read in a few articles that even low doses of test will increase your BMR. Don't get me wrong, I agree with Diet, Cardio, etc.

But I think a higher BMR caused by AAS, calorie deficit, and cardio(morning-empty stomach, IMO) will all contribute to fat loss.

So having said this.....an AAS combo, along with diet, cardio can aid in fat loss. And to that point you could drop the cardio, do diet and AAS as long as you are in a calorie deficit state, and the AAS would benefit in fat loss, along with keeping the muscles full and hard......IMO

THis would only be a short run answer, however

[topvega]

He is my bro and he use only winny, if u want to talk with him let me know. He has a cam at home.

Only winny huh??? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell U.........

[Xprime]

C bino i totally agree with you. i quit the thread

[Bigmax]

C bino i totally agree with you. i quit the thread

Guy the reason you have this thread in an upraw is all you contradicting post.You agree with some people but you argue with others>Honestly how far up your butt did you reach for that B.S. about winny?Your bro looked decent but it isnt from winny.your advise was terrible and your attitude was even worse.No offense but I hope you did quit thread.

[New Juice]

What Heart rate range do you guys prefer to stay in while doing cardio?

[piepiezzz]

65-75% about 135 bpm for me

I walk my dog am cardio on empty stomach. walk real fast. about 2.5 miles in 40-45 minutes........then wait 30 minutes to eat protein/carb meal.

[Xprime]

Guy the reason you have this thread in an upraw is all you contradicting post.You agree with some people but you argue with others>Honestly how far up your butt did you reach for that B.S. about winny?Your bro looked decent but it isnt from winny.your advise was terrible and your attitude was even worse.No offense but I hope you did quit thread.

yeah r8, i said pm me anytime if u wanna talk to my bro


There is also a difference between being cutted for a contest and just getting abs u know.
Diet and abs should suffice Imo. Believe what u want, Cardio help to go faster in the process. But in anymanner because u do cardio u will get more abs than with abs exercice and a good diet.

My 0.1cent

[Xprime]

your comment "i am believer in cardio however" tells me something else...when do you believer in cardio then? if its not to drop BF along side a diet?

Actually i do cardio 2/3 times a week to drop bad fat yes + abs 3/4 times a week with a good diet.

[1buffsob]

How many times do you plan to 'quit' this thread?

1buffsob

[Knight1811]

Dont bother the turd left the thread. He's the type of member to tell a newbie to a gram of test a week and think it is alright.

I have no clue where people get this stick up their ass that winny or any AAS is going to create some kind of fat loss in the abdominal section.

Here is a clue where people MIGHT be getting the notion that certain AASs burn fat in the abdominal area:

It's in the profile section of this forum from a little known person by the name of Anthony Roberts. You might know him as Hooker.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199816

I don't know about you, but that's pretty damn good data to support fat loss in the midsection area....aka trunk area.

But hey, what does Hooker know?

Knight1811

[abstrack]

Here is a clue where people MIGHT be getting the notion that certain AASs burn fat in the abdominal area:

It's in the profile section of this forum from a little known person by the name of Anthony Roberts. You might know him as Hooker.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199816

I don't know about you, but that's pretty damn good data to support fat loss in the midsection area....aka trunk area.

But hey, what does Hooker know?

Knight1811

For starters, Anthony said it is just a theory he is leaning toward. Just a theory bud......just a theory......It is only based on a few studies and not written in stone.

[abstrack]

Whos Anthony Roberts?? Whos Hooker???

[D-Money]

You goit the best freaking answer when the guy told you diet and cardio and doing crunches 1 time per week should be fine. Abs will come out when your body fat gets low enough. Plain and simple, there is no short cut

I didn't mean to offend anyone by asking for a mod, or for calling their post lame. I think all of your information is helpful, and I appriciate it. I'm just a newbie looking for ideas. I didn't think my question was invalid, but I'll edit it. I come to this site for information, not to get flamed! I will try to be more positive in my posts next time. Thanks for all of your help!

[Testostack]

Diet And Abs (if u want abs), Cardio Is Not Important unless u want to improve ur cardio vascular health... what u want is abs.. isn t it?


U could use winny too

Yep, cardio's not that important as long as ur diet's good and you hit abs 2x a week!

[MatrixGuy]

Thats not from winny dude.......thats from genetics.

Agreed. And some very good genetics at that.

[G-1000]

LOL he wonted a a mod or a vet. Looks like he will never do that agen.

[urbanbody]

Is this thread serious???????????

[Testostack]

Is this thread serious???????????

I'd say do cradio once a week 45' to 1 hour and have a clean diet.....hit the abs twice to three times a week, that should do the trick...no AAS needed for that imo.....

[*Narkissos*]

Diet And Abs (if u want abs), Cardio Is Not Important unless u want to improve ur cardio vascular health... what u want is abs.. isn t it?


U could use winny too

LMAO!

If i had a dollar for each time i read that

Buddy you're statement is so self-limiting it aint funny.

Abs work as secondary support muscles during heavy compound exercises (actually.. abs fire all day whenever posture needs to be maintained).. thus technically ab-training isn't as important as cardio in the pursuit of abs.

Most who have great abs don't train 'em directly.

I don't.

I do cardio... and diet properly.

My ab work? Deadlift; squats; cleans.

My cycle of choice?

The bicycle.

Narkissos

[*Narkissos*]

Who talked about fat loss with winny turd? at least i do not recommended A-bomb

Actually sir.. Anadrol would be better for fat-loss

It.. and tren are two compounds which have a marked affect on lean tissue maintenance in the presence of a caloric deficit.

True anadrol 'bloats' users..Don't confuse bloating with fat... that's idiocy.

Abstract Would u recommend Dianabol over winny for hardness Turd?

Turd? You should be banned.

1. for being an idiot
2. for being a rude idiot.

Hardness has nothing to do with cutting. Positive nitrogen balance= a good thing. I've cut on dbol.. others have as well. Water weight is lost
post-cycle... or it can be avoided totally with the addition of an AI.

Duh.

Can u read fat loss somewhere?

How bout you put the middle finger down.. take your thumb.. and thumb tru some books. Try reading instead of posting.. so next time you won't make a total ass of yourself.

After all, It doesn t mind me, the guy won t listen to you because u have 300000posts.

i've 11 000 and 9 year training; 7 years competitive experience.

That's what counts..

The content of your posts would suggest taking your advice is like jumping in front of a car.

I'd advise if you know nothing.. you say nothing

Narkissos

[HORSE~]

LMAO!

If i had a dollar for each time i read that

Buddy you're statement is so self-limiting it aint funny.

Abs work as secondary support muscles during heavy compound exercises (actually.. abs fire all day whenever posture needs to be maintained).. thus technically ab-training isn't as important as cardio in the pursuit of abs.

Most who have great abs don't train 'em directly.

I don't.

I do cardio... and diet properly.

My ab work? Deadlift; squats; cleans.

My cycle of choice?

The bicycle.

Narkissos

I prefere the tricycle but to each his own!!

The big wheel's version ROCK'S!!!!

[abstrack]

Nark, Stop lying to everybody. You dont train abs at all. You dont even ride the bike. I herd all you do is take Wiiny and use a Bowflex

[*Narkissos*]

Nark, Stop lying to everybody. You dont train abs at all. You dont even ride the bike. I herd all you do is take Wiiny and use a Bowflex

ok you caught me.. and my true name is Tony Little

[Testostack]

Actually sir.. Anadrol would be better for fat-loss

It.. and tren are two compounds which have a marked affect on lean tissue maintenance in the presence of a caloric deficit.

True anadrol 'bloats' users..Don't confuse bloating with fat... that's idiocy.




Turd? You should be banned.

1. for being an idiot
2. for being a rude idiot.

Hardness has nothing to do with cutting. Positive nitrogen balance= a good thing. I've cut on dbol.. others have as well. Water weight is lost
post-cycle... or it can be avoided totally with the addition of an AI.

Duh.



How bout you put the middle finger down.. take your thumb.. and thumb tru some books. Try reading instead of posting.. so next time you won't make a total ass of yourself.




i've 11 000 and 9 year training; 7 years competitive experience.

That's what counts..

The content of your posts would suggest taking your advice is like jumping in front of a car.

I'd advise if you know nothing.. you say nothing

Narkissos

Nuff said....i think he just ........Nark the wise hasspoken....peace!

[*Narkissos*]

Nuff said....i think he just ........Nark the wise hasspoken....peace!

I'm the juggernaut bitch!!!!

[01dragonslayer]

and my true name is Tony Little

[Xprime]

Abs work as secondary support muscles during heavy compound exercises (actually.. abs fire all day whenever posture needs to be maintained).. thus technically ab-training isn't as important as cardio in the pursuit of abs.

I am aware about that ok, u owned me, congrats.

Actually sir.. Anadrol would be better for fat-loss

It.. and tren are two compounds which have a marked affect on lean tissue maintenance in the presence of a caloric deficit.

True anadrol 'bloats' users..Don't confuse bloating with fat... that's idiocy.

Have u guys ever seen the movie(training camp 1998) with Lee priest being bloated and bulked as crazy? it tooks him 4 years to get in his best shape, i do nt think everybody want to get bloated and bulked nor look like a beachball for years. Don t be rude narkissos.

How bout you put the middle finger down.. take your thumb.. and thumb tru some books. Try reading instead of posting.. so next time you won't make a total ass of yourself.

What about u begin to learn respect of ur members on the forum? do you know the word respect?

LMAO!

If i had a dollar for each time i read that

yeah! i would get rich, i can give you my western union account if u wish. "Take it easy HAHA"



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I got nice abs without cardio and steroids in past, is it something impossible? unbelievable? sorry for you, i must be genetically gifted.

Nark, Stop lying to everybody. You dont train abs at all. You dont even ride the bike. I herd all you do is take Wiiny and use a Bowflex

Have u ever seen skinny guys with the skin against their bones? do they work theirs abs to get them?

[pumpd4lif]

there r many things to help develope abs diet is most important about 75%of it actully butn there r other things u can do and 1 of the best is controled sprints u want to all around rip up ur mid section do sets of ten 2 min apart 50 yard sprints example
50 yrd sprints 10 sets of ten (u will have to work urself up to this probably)50 up 50 back 10 times 2min rest after each ten(ten being 5 up 5 back 1 setback and fourth)u want to get seruis about abs try this 3 times a week.and i dont mean just running up and back i mean full out.i helped my brother with this rutine and his obliques were outa of this world i mean like gills he could breath under water and his seperation in his abswhich were none existent at 10%bf was all there un added with out any juice just a strong will and a good diet to good.20 carbs a day and 6 ounces of chicken every 2 to 3 hours.now thats will power.but he had a cheat day for his diet every sat he would take in 100 grams of fat and the kid looked damn incredible.so dont think for one min that there is any easy way that there is any easy way to obtain shredded abs it is probably the hardest muscle group to build to perfection so.finding an easy way to do abs.......rest assure there isnt one ,and if u do find it u will be a $$$$$$$$$$$nair

[Xprime]

there r many things to help develope abs diet is most important about 75%of it actully butn there r other things u can do and 1 of the best is controled sprints u want to all around rip up ur mid section do sets of ten 2 min apart 50 yard sprints example
50 yrd sprints 10 sets of ten (u will have to work urself up to this probably)50 up 50 back 10 times 2min rest after each ten(ten being 5 up 5 back 1 setback and fourth)u want to get seruis about abs try this 3 times a week.and i dont mean just running up and back i mean full out.i helped my brother with this rutine and his obliques were outa of this world i mean like gills he could breath under water and his seperation in his abswhich were none existent at 10%bf was all there un added with out any juice just a strong will and a good diet to good.20 carbs a day and 6 ounces of chicken every 2 to 3 hours.now thats will power.but he had a cheat day for his diet every sat he would take in 100 grams of fat and the kid looked damn incredible.so dont think for one min that there is any easy way that there is any easy way to obtain shredded abs it is probably the hardest muscle group to build to perfection so.finding an easy way to do abs.......rest assure there isnt one ,and if u do find it u will be a $$$$$$$$$$$nair

U re talking about hiit...

http://www.fitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12154

http://www.musclemedia.com/training/hiit.asp

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=hiit
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...highlight=hiit

I do that to get my abs back. I also use hardening repartitioning agent.

[pumpd4lif]

I also use hardening repartitionning agent

im curios what is that

[Xprime]

I also use hardening repartitionning agent

im curios what is that

That was a joke lol

[pumpd4lif]

had me there for a sec rofl

[pumpd4lif]

that woulda contradicted everything i said lol
but that is a good read tho im going to have to finish that later

[oswaldosalcedo]

Diet and cardio will be the main factors in any cutter. No one drug is going to make your abs look better then the next.
As far as the best drugs for hardening you up however, my favourites would have to be tren and halo. Eq is also pretty good for getting harder and more vascular as well.

truth !

[kloter1]

this a great thread so far. cmon primey post up your picture studly