Athletes on HGH

[Ufa]

Lets not forget indoor sports. Bowling, billards, ping pong. Don't try
these extreme sports at home.

[shortie]

You are imposing your morals on every one . aas alone will not make
the perfect athlete. Just brings out the polished version. You can't polish a turd. Sorry if my comments seem crude, reality is reality.

Not morals-Just rules, you cannot rob banks and neither can I; you can't murder innocents for no reason, and neither can I-These are not moral judgements, but rules. If a league imposes such rules the athletes should have to obey them to participate in that league. If they make steroids legal then they should be able to do them. I'll go back to the corked bat analogy, if corked bats are illegal within a league and a guy gets caught with one everyone will call him a cheating motherfuker-why, because he broke the rules of the League he plays in. As for roids, they should be legal, and administered by professionals, especially for athletes, but they are not. You are right though-The true greats will always be, and steroids will never make a novice a great, and Bonds would have hit a ton of homers no matter what, most likely not as many, but a great many nonetheless.

[shortie]

Lets not forget indoor sports. Bowling, billards, ping pong. Don't try
these extreme sports at home.

You left out my favorite, pocket pool.

[Pinnacle]

Bro, I hope your joking, tennis players are in incredible shape, and it requires you to be strong menatally and physically. There is no one to blame but yourself out there, not like a team sport. They make more money they you can imagine, and that probably pisses you off. Your probably the the old RETIRED hairy back old man that hates young athletic type dudes. Sorry but you asked for it with your stupid comments.

First off,you aren't my bro.So never,ever use that term with me.

I'm sorry to disappoint you,but I'm a competive Bodybulider.I'm in phjase 2 of my comp prep right now.Sitting at about 237-6.5 % BF at 5'-8" -38 yrs old.

Could care less about money. If I had to play tennis to eat,then I'd put a fvkin barrel of a gun in my mouth.

Hate young,athletic types?I can hang with the best!I train with and around some of the best in the BB biz.I respect all athletes.Tennis players aren't athletes..understand PUNK?

Sounds like your one of those pipe-smoking tennis players,aren't you?Sorry to hear that,but we all can't be masculine ,can we punk?Now go fetch your racket you little skinny bitch!!


~Pinnacle~

[Bear-StrengthWithin]

Well, IMHO, neither HGH nor AAS is cheating!!! It is just utilizing supplements to allow US to do MORE work !!!
we are the ones eating every 2-3 hours, we are the ones lifting heavy weights and busting our A$$es to gain the muscle we gain!!!

It is not like we sit at home eating pizza and beer all day and just magically grow !!!!
I really can't stand the hippocrates that preach about how AAS is cheating but using any over the counter supps are ok. I supplement Protein so that I get MORE protein , is that going to be cheating too??? I can take OTC test boosters, but NOT the real thing??? It's Bull$hit!!!
As a weightlifter, bodybuilder, athlete etc...We require higher amounts of these things to do what we do and do it well!! Thus we supplement!
We supplement more vitamins, more proteins, more carbs, more fats, and yes MORE TESTOSTERONE !!! Because we use more than the fat lazy ass slobs sitting at home doing jack $hit except complaining how WE cheat!!!

agreed

[kman]

First off,you aren't my bro.So never,ever use that term with me.

I'm sorry to disappoint you,but I'm a competive Bodybulider.I'm in phjase 2 of my comp prep right now.Sitting at about 237-6.5 % BF at 5'-8" -38 yrs old.

Could care less about money. If I had to play tennis to eat,then I'd put a fvkin barrel of a gun in my mouth.

Hate young,athletic types?I can hang with the best!I train with and around some of the best in the BB biz.I respect all athletes.Tennis players aren't athletes..understand PUNK?

Sounds like your one of those pipe-smoking tennis players,aren't you?Sorry to hear that,but we all can't be masculine ,can we punk?Now go fetch your racket you little skinny bitch!!


~Pinnacle~

First off I'm not a punk, so don't you ever use that term with me BRO!! Your immature comments show your true colors. How could you possibly think tennis players aren't athlethes, if anything BBers are not Athletes. I still think BBers are Athlethes because of there work effort, but as far as sports go they are low on the list, and that is a fact. Tennis players have insane endurance, withstand horrible conditions, and have to be extremely strong mentally. Tennis is rated # 3 as one of the toughest sports. Your arrogance is dissapointing for a well respected vet on this board. At 38yrs old I would think you would have better things to do with your time then disrespect a group of athletes. Sorry to stoop to your level, but no one calls me a skinny little bitch without me responding, so here's your story most likely. At 5ft8 you prob. have little man syndrome, and your ex boyfriend most likely use to play tennis, you guys broke up, and he left a sour taste in you mouth{literally}.. So now you hate tennis cause of him. Sorry but you just got OWNED.......................

[shortie]

Tennis is rated # 3 as one of the toughest sports.

By Who??? The Rainbow coalition?? Now while I do consider it to be a sport, and in all fairness a physically taxing one, it is in no way anywhere near the top 5 in terms of physical difficulty. As for the rest of your post I'll let Pinnacle speak for himself.

[Ufa]

kman - Don't get your self in a tizzy. There's enough trouble around here with out your BS.

[Badgerman]

Sharapova........she.... looks athletic to me.......wow........tennis chicks can have some great legs.
As far as athletes.......great hand eye coor.......great lateral acceleration.....
great endurance........pretty similar to basketball.......tennis is a great sport
with great athletes.......I mean what did Roddick serve......155 mph?

[kman]

By Who??? The Rainbow coalition?? Now while I do consider it to be a sport, and in all fairness a physically taxing one, it is in no way anywhere near the top 5 in terms of physical difficulty. As for the rest of your post I'll let Pinnacle speak for himself.

Google, "toughest sports to play" and tell me what comes up 1st. Sports illustrated did a study in ALL sports, to see what sport reqiured the most endurance, speed, power, flexibilty,hand eye cordination, etc. Boxing was number 1, tennis #3.. Espn has it listed in the top 5 I believe. I am just stating facts. Don't want to get into a "tizzy" over it, just proving my point.

[Ufa]

Google, "toughest sports to play" and tell me what comes up 1st. Sports illustrated did a study in ALL sports, to see what sport reqiured the most endurance, speed, power, flexibilty,hand eye cordination, etc. Boxing was number 1, tennis #3.. Espn has it listed in the top 5 I believe. I am just stating facts. Don't want to get into a "tizzy" over it, just proving my point.

You have every right to voice your arguments. I was referring to your condescending (very insulting ) attack against one of very few people
here that know what their talking about. If you had any class you
would edit your post. Fat chance of that.

[Seattle Junk]

First off I'm not a punk, so don't you ever use that term with me BRO!! Your immature comments show your true colors. How could you possibly think tennis players aren't athlethes, if anything BBers are not Athletes. I still think BBers are Athlethes because of there work effort, but as far as sports go they are low on the list, and that is a fact. Tennis players have insane endurance, withstand horrible conditions, and have to be extremely strong mentally. Tennis is rated # 3 as one of the toughest sports. Your arrogance is dissapointing for a well respected vet on this board. At 38yrs old I would think you would have better things to do with your time then disrespect a group of athletes. Sorry to stoop to your level, but no one calls me a skinny little bitch without me responding, so here's your story most likely. At 5ft8 you prob. have little man syndrome, and your ex boyfriend most likely use to play tennis, you guys broke up, and he left a sour taste in you mouth{literally}.. So now you hate tennis cause of him. Sorry but you just got OWNED.......................

First off this is a sports bodybuilding forum, not a tennis or any other sports forum. Great, you love tennis, that's good. Opinions are also like assholes, everybody has one. Don't be so sensetive. I'm sure you use to play with Arthur Ash before he passed from Aids? Go to a tennis forum and see how many bodybuilders lurk and post there. FYI, you are barking up the wrong tree. Good luck on getting help around here. Honest answers and opinions fly in this place, respect that. You will make the Ross Hall of Fame if you keep this up.

Oh, I can't wait for Pinn's response.

[kman]

First off this is a sports bodybuilding forum, not a tennis or any other sports forum. Great, you love tennis, that's good. Opinions are also like assholes, everybody has one. Don't be so sensetive. I'm sure you use to play with Arthur Ash before he passed from Aids? Go to a tennis forum and see how many bodybuilders lurk and post there. FYI, you are barking up the wrong tree. Good luck on getting help around here. Honest answers and opinions fly in this place, respect that. You will make the Ross Hall of Fame if you keep this up.

Oh, I can't wait for Pinn's response.

Yes this a Bodybuilding forum, BUT many Athletes from all different sports come here to get advice. Does not mean someone with a title can insult them. If someone posted something about football players being gay pipe smokers, what response do you think they would get?. Insults were made by both, and I don't see anyone tell Pinn. to watch it. Tennis has nothing to do with this, it's the fact that someone with a title can make the most childish comments, then insult, and if you voice your opinion, and fight back, you get the watch it, he's a vet. Well he's wrong and I could care less of his status. My point is not to hard to see fellas.

[No One Knows]

Well, IMHO, neither HGH nor AAS is cheating!!! It is just utilizing supplements to allow US to do MORE work !!!
we are the ones eating every 2-3 hours, we are the ones lifting heavy weights and busting our A$$es to gain the muscle we gain!!!

It is not like we sit at home eating pizza and beer all day and just magically grow !!!!
I really can't stand the hippocrates that preach about how AAS is cheating but using any over the counter supps are ok. I supplement Protein so that I get MORE protein , is that going to be cheating too??? I can take OTC test boosters, but NOT the real thing??? It's Bull$hit!!!
As a weightlifter, bodybuilder, athlete etc...We require higher amounts of these things to do what we do and do it well!! Thus we supplement!
We supplement more vitamins, more proteins, more carbs, more fats, and yes MORE TESTOSTERONE !!! Because we use more than the fat lazy ass slobs sitting at home doing jack $hit except complaining how WE cheat!!!

You are really just justifying steroid use in general.., but in competative sports, EVERYONE works hard, so if guys are using juice, they're obviously going to be able to do things that those who aren't using can't....Thus it HAS to be cheating..

I unserstand what you're saying...you're not just injecting and getting huge..

But hes talking about competative sports where everyone is an athlete and works hard

[Stumbo]

Silly thread, i didnt read much of it.

But I wish steroids were legal in all sports, we would have some super-human athletes out there. It would make things more interesting.

BTW, poker, and spelling, are not sports either.

[Ufa]

You are really just justifying steroid use in general.., but in competative sports, EVERYONE works hard, so if guys are using juice, they're obviously going to be able to do things that those who aren't using can't....Thus it HAS to be cheating..

I unserstand what you're saying...you're not just injecting and getting huge..

But hes talking about competative sports where everyone is an athlete and works hard

I assume by your posts you take steroids. Isn't that cheating? Don't you
have an edge over pencil neck geeks with women, physical jobs, personal
sports. You just are not paid money. It's OK for you but not for others.
What about HGH and healing faster; are you cheating nature? Maybe antibotics are cheating bacteria. Your logic is flawed.

[poshjoss]

Well, IMHO, neither HGH nor AAS is cheating!!! It is just utilizing supplements to allow US to do MORE work !!!
we are the ones eating every 2-3 hours, we are the ones lifting heavy weights and busting our A$$es to gain the muscle we gain!!!

It is not like we sit at home eating pizza and beer all day and just magically grow !!!!
I really can't stand the hippocrates that preach about how AAS is cheating but using any over the counter supps are ok. I supplement Protein so that I get MORE protein , is that going to be cheating too??? I can take OTC test boosters, but NOT the real thing??? It's Bull$hit!!!
As a weightlifter, bodybuilder, athlete etc...We require higher amounts of these things to do what we do and do it well!! Thus we supplement!
We supplement more vitamins, more proteins, more carbs, more fats, and yes MORE TESTOSTERONE !!! Because we use more than the fat lazy ass slobs sitting at home doing jack $hit except complaining how WE cheat!!!

hippocrates are boxes used for the live transportation of the african creature known as a river horse or "hippopotamus", (not noted for their preaching skills). I think you meant "hypocrite", i.e. a deceitful disingenuous person, a veritable slyboots.
If this is the correct american spelling I apologise, its just that I speak English. Sorry my boss is a septic so I just needed to get that out of my system.
As with most drugs it would help if they legalized them and then we would know if the winners were the drugs or the athletes. I don't believe in the banning of performance enhancers in sport, but I think full disclosure drug and dosage, publicly accessible training records and medical evaluations of the athletes would be excellent. Its the cloak and dagger nature of the drug taking that allows aforesaid junk-munchers to take the moral high ground. It might also imporove AAS dubious safety record. Wouldn't it be fabulous if we could all just sign up to be guineau pigs when the big Pharma cartels start making safe legal steroids. Wicked.
Umm... why is Kman here?

[poshjoss]

Golf is not a sport, but its brilliant to play at night when you is shitfaced. You can buy glow in the dark golf balls. Make Tiger Woods and Some other golfers..... smoke a load of durban poison and then play in the dark in Surrey. Not a sport, but a lot more interesting than the golf virus which takes up room on the telly, and seems to allow boring people to earn a living...? Bastards...... walking about in a field all day earning a fortune.

[shortie]

SPORT END STR PWR SPD AGI FLX NER DUR HAN ANA TOTAL RANK
Boxing 8.63 8.13 8.63 6.38 6.25 4.38 8.88 8.50 7.00 5.63 72.375 1
Ice Hockey 7.25 7.13 7.88 7.75 7.63 4.88 6.00 8.25 7.50 7.50 71.750 2
Football 5.38 8.63 8.13 7.13 6.38 4.38 7.25 8.50 5.50 7.13 68.375 3
Basketball 7.38 6.25 6.50 7.25 8.13 5.63 4.13 7.75 7.50 7.38 67.875 4
Wrestling 6.63 8.38 7.13 5.13 6.38 7.50 5.00 6.75 4.25 6.38 63.500 5
Martial Arts 5.00 5.88 7.75 6.38 6.00 7.00 6.63 5.88 6.00 6.88 63.375 6
Tennis 7.25 5.13 7.13 6.75 7.75 5.63 3.00 5.00 8.38 6.75 62.750 7
Gymnastics 5.38 6.13 6.63 5.00 6.38 10.00 7.50 6.88 4.50 4.13 62.500 8
Baseball/Softball 4.63 5.75 7.63 6.50 6.75 4.75 5.13 5.63 9.25 6.25 62.250 9
Soccer 7.75 4.50 5.13 7.25 8.25 4.75 3.63 6.25 6.50 7.50 61.500 10
Skiing: Alpine 5.13 5.25 6.00 7.38 6.13 5.63 8.38 6.00 5.13 5.63 60.625 11
Water Polo 7.88 6.63 6.88 5.38 6.38 5.00 4.25 6.38 6.25 5.63 60.625 11
Rugby 6.75 7.00 6.38 5.88 6.00 4.13 6.50 7.88 4.38 5.63 60.500 13
Lacrosse 6.63 5.13 5.75 7.00 6.63 4.75 4.38 6.13 7.13 6.88 60.375 14
Rodeo: Steer Wrestling 4.00 7.00 7.88 3.88 4.88 5.00 7.88 6.88 5.13 4.00 56.500 15


Did what you asked Kman-Comes in at no 7-Now bear in mind this is an author's feeling on the sport-nowhere near scientific-And nowhere near the top three. Also, I can tell whoever compiled this list never played in a competitive soccer game. And baseball #9 WTF-I had no idea scratching one's balls was considered difficult.

[No One Knows]

I assume by your posts you take steroids. Isn't that cheating? Don't you
have an edge over pencil neck geeks with women, physical jobs, personal
sports. You just are not paid money. It's OK for you but not for others.
What about HGH and healing faster; are you cheating nature? Maybe antibotics are cheating bacteria. Your logic is flawed.

This thread was about athletes, not casual steroid users.

My logic isn't flawed, just different rules for different people.

If you are an athlete, and the rules of your league stipulate that you cannot use certain substances - and you do, while others don't and play by the rules - you ARE cheating.

Yes.. Steroids are illegal. And I use them. Some don't.. they "play by the rules" I guess I'm cheating in the game of life like you said...Sadly all that comes out of it is looking better and being stronger, not breaking records, and getting paid millions.

Sorry.

[speak]

SPORT END STR PWR SPD AGI FLX NER DUR HAN ANA TOTAL RANK

Did what you asked Kman-Comes in at no 7-Now bear in mind this is an author's feeling on the sport-nowhere near scientific-And nowhere near the top three. Also, I can tell whoever compiled this list never played in a competitive soccer game. And baseball #9 WTF-I had no idea scratching one's balls was considered difficult.

yeah, I never agree with any of those gay-ass things either. k-man did say tennis was 5 in some poll though. And body building not even on the list? Should at least beat out baseball. I like the way they group baseball with softball. As Jim Rome would say, "any sport that you get better at with the more you drink, is not a sport."

[Pinnacle]

First off I'm not a punk, so don't you ever use that term with me BRO!! Your immature comments show your true colors. How could you possibly think tennis players aren't athlethes, if anything BBers are not Athletes. I still think BBers are Athlethes because of there work effort, but as far as sports go they are low on the list, and that is a fact. Tennis players have insane endurance, withstand horrible conditions, and have to be extremely strong mentally. Tennis is rated # 3 as one of the toughest sports. Your arrogance is dissapointing for a well respected vet on this board. At 38yrs old I would think you would have better things to do with your time then disrespect a group of athletes. Sorry to stoop to your level, but no one calls me a skinny little bitch without me responding, so here's your story most likely. At 5ft8 you prob. have little man syndrome, and your ex boyfriend most likely use to play tennis, you guys broke up, and he left a sour taste in you mouth{literally}.. So now you hate tennis cause of him. Sorry but you just got OWNED.......................

How did you own me you LITTLE,PUNK BITCH THAT YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE.?You came into this thread and attacked me for my opinion on tennis.Not my fault you are feminine.Not all men can be manly,so why you upset,BITCH?I could care-less you are some gay tennis type.It doesn't make you a bad person,just inferior is all.Your jealosy over others masculine nature is quite apparent.What happen,Mommy spend too much time with you as a boy,you little BITCH?
I tell you what,you little punk BITCH.How about I invite your down here to FL to train with me.I'd like nothing more than to meet you in person.I'll pay for your airfare from whatever city you are from.Hows that sound?Send me a PM withdetails and I'll get you and e-ticket ASAP!!

Let me know,little bitch,ok?

~Pinnacle~

[Pinnacle]

Yes this a Bodybuilding forum, BUT many Athletes from all different sports come here to get advice. Does not mean someone with a title can insult them. If someone posted something about football players being gay pipe smokers, what response do you think they would get?. Insults were made by both, and I don't see anyone tell Pinn. to watch it. Tennis has nothing to do with this, it's the fact that someone with a title can make the most childish comments, then insult, and if you voice your opinion, and fight back, you get the watch it, he's a vet. Well he's wrong and I could care less of his status. My point is not to hard to see fellas.

You attacked me BITCH!!

NICE avatar gay-ass boy..lmfaooooooooooooooo

[shortie]

Good to see you out and about Pinn, I wuz wunderin when you'd catch back up with this~If he's smart he'll take you up on that workout offer, I know I would, great chance to learn from someone like yourself IMO.

[SMAN12b]

Pinn, can i get a free trip to Florida too? I would love the chance to train with you....actually I would just love to get the hell out of my hole in the wall town for a day or two.....lolol

[vitor]

Ive had a boring time at school today, but this thread "almost" made my day...

[Ufa]

If kman is smart he'll shut the f--k up. If you read between the lines I don't think that Pin wants to hang out with his PUNK ass. It would be funny to
watch him get tossed in some trash can face down.

[Pinnacle]

If kman is smart he'll shut the f--k up. If you read between the lines I don't think that Pin wants to hang out with his PUNK ass. It would be funny to
watch him get tossed in some trash can face down.

Never mind..the owner of Golds came over to see what everyone was laughing at and saw this bitches skinny ass in his avatar walking his poodle(LMFAO) and said he doesn't allow tooth pick faggots in his gym..so sorry Kman(or is it Stickman?) can allow you to train at golds with me,but I'll gladly give you a tour of the Everglades.Maybe we can go feed the gators and shit..hows that sound?

[Pinnacle]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAA....I wanted to post Kman(Stickmans?) avatar up so when he changes it EVERYONE can see his skinny,pathetic, faggot, punk ass.150 pound tennis homo talking shit to me,is extremely funny stuff.Look at those thick muscular legs and bulging 12 inch biceps..ROFLMFAOOOOOO


You are killing us here at Golds STICK-BOY..thanks for the great laughs today!!!!!


~Pinnacle~

[Doc.Sust]

GOLF IS NOT A SPORT!!!

It's merely a past-time for pipe-sucking homo mutherfvkers.


~Pinnacle~

i would like you to say that to a guy like charles barkley or lawrence taylor who happen to be avid golfers.

[Doc.Sust]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAA....I wanted to post Kman(Stickmans?) avatar up so when he changes it EVERYONE can see his skinny,pathetic, faggot, punk ass.150 pound tennis homo talking shit to me,is extremely funny stuff.Look at those thick muscular legs and bulging 12 inch biceps..ROFLMFAOOOOOO


You are killing us here at Golds STICK-BOY..thanks for the great laughs today!!!!!


~Pinnacle~

pinnacle, enough already!!! dude dont you ever learn? knock it off, stop being so offensive and flaming others, enough is enough.

[Doc.Sust]

ok and if tennis and golf were not sports than why the hell do the people who play professional get paid hand over fist full of money? you know why, because they have a following and endorsements. if any of us could get paid as much as tiger woods for golf,or andy roddick in tennis, wouldnt you play too? we are ALL entitled to our opinions here, but we can do this in a civil way without flaming and being ignorant.

[Doc.Sust]

If kman is smart he'll shut the f--k up. If you read between the lines I don't think that Pin wants to hang out with his PUNK ass. It would be funny to
watch him get tossed in some trash can face down.

if your smart you will shut the f-up before you get banned for being an asshole

[SwoleCat]

Ridiculous.

~SC~

[Booz]

i think enough is enough everyone,no need for this here..................

[Giants11]

I'm just gonna put my .02 just because.

Granted Tennis players are not big people. But I played Div 1 sports in college and have been around many athletes. And I like to watch all kinds of sports.

And let me jsut say this Tennis is fvcking REALLY hard! Requires tremendous endurance as well as skill. I love watching a good match.

[*Narkissos*]

First off I'm not a punk, so don't you ever use that term with me BRO!! Your immature comments show your true colors. How could you possibly think tennis players aren't athlethes, if anything BBers are not Athletes. I still think BBers are Athlethes because of there work effort, but as far as sports go they are low on the list, and that is a fact. Tennis players have insane endurance, withstand horrible conditions, and have to be extremely strong mentally. Tennis is rated # 3 as one of the toughest sports. Your arrogance is dissapointing for a well respected vet on this board. At 38yrs old I would think you would have better things to do with your time then disrespect a group of athletes. Sorry to stoop to your level, but no one calls me a skinny little bitch without me responding, so here's your story most likely. At 5ft8 you prob. have little man syndrome, and your ex boyfriend most likely use to play tennis, you guys broke up, and he left a sour taste in you mouth{literally}.. So now you hate tennis cause of him. Sorry but you just got OWNED.......................

Is this a joke? This makes tennis players athletes moreso than Bodybuilders?

I've played tennis... Conversely i've competed in bodybuilding for 7 years... Tennis is no comparison.

2 weight-training sessions per day... 2 cardio sessions per day.. 1 posing session per day.. submaintenance: restricted food intake for months to get to 3% bodyfat...

The last week of the contest prep.. cutting water out days prior so you're dry onstage...

You want a mental challenge?

That's just the tip of the ice-berg man...

Tennis he says... bah