Which is Best/Safest during cycle - AI or SERM???

[MAXIMA5]

also, should nolva and arimidex really not be used at the same time or not? because I have read plenty of posts of people who are/were using both at the same time. they can be used at the same time during pct - i wouldnt do both during cycle

also, if I am going to run hcg in wks 4-5 and 9-10 @500iu e4d, do I really need to throw nolva in there(if I havent been using it the whole time)???Nolva and HCG are two completely different things. They do different things, so technically, you can run both at the same time,but like I said, save the nolva for pct

and what if I am using arimidex and then I do my hcg and use nolva while i am doing that? is there going to be anything detrumental happen?[B]probably not, but this seems like overkill[/B]

One more thing, I heard that letro can have a rebound effect on estrogen levels..is this true??? thanks for the info.

yes, your estrogen will rebound if you stop letro cold-turkey. This is why i would run a small dose of arimidex for several days after tapering down the letro

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[BGIZZLE8629]

"Nolva and HCG are two completely different things. They do different things, so technically, you can run both at the same time,but like I said, save the nolva for pct"
[B]Well, I read in one of the stickys that you HAD to run Nolva while you ran HCG. [/B]"yes, your estrogen will rebound if you stop letro cold-turkey. This is why i would run a small dose of arimidex for several days after tapering down the letro"
so, if I use arimidex, then, I have to taper down to LETRO? I thought that letro was more powerful than arimidex? So is it a must to use letro after arimidex or seomthing?

[MAXIMA5]

Letro causes rebound, so you need another faster-acting weaker AI in your system to prevent this when you are tapering down the letro. period.

[Pac8541]

BGIZZLE8629,

In response to your question about running proviron and letro together:

I'm running 50mgs proviron and .25mg letro per day throughout my 14 wk cycle (prop/deca), as well as HCG e4d @ 500iu's. I've definitely discovered a lean mass cycle, for me anyway, as I've added a slow but steady mass increase with zero water retention and very good strength gains. I'm running the proviron for its affinity to improve the effectiveness of the test and it's slight fat burning qualities. Its also keeping my libido reasonably high in conjunction with the HCG. The letro is bring used to control estrogen and kill whatever water retention I may develop. Actually, .25mg every other day seems to do the trick just fine for me. Half a miligram per day completely kills my sex drive and makes it difficult for me to even get off.

Hope this helps.

[lifterjaydawg]

I like letro and arimidex.

[BGIZZLE8629]

BGIZZLE8629,

In response to your question about running proviron and letro together:

I'm running 50mgs proviron and .25mg letro per day throughout my 14 wk cycle (prop/deca), as well as HCG e4d @ 500iu's. I've definitely discovered a lean mass cycle, for me anyway, as I've added a slow but steady mass increase with zero water retention and very good strength gains. I'm running the proviron for its affinity to improve the effectiveness of the test and it's slight fat burning qualities. Its also keeping my libido reasonably high in conjunction with the HCG. The letro is bring used to control estrogen and kill whatever water retention I may develop. Actually, .25mg every other day seems to do the trick just fine for me. Half a miligram per day completely kills my sex drive and makes it difficult for me to even get off.

Hope this helps.

Alright. I already have letro on hand. Maximus said that after tapering down from the letro, you should switch over to arimidex to avoid a estrogen rebound effect. Do you take any cholesterol supplements in conjuction with your cycle??? That is really the only thing that I am worried about with taking arimidex or letro or any other ai that suppress estrogen levels that much. I dont want to have any permanent damage on cholesterol values or any cardiovascular risks you know.

Thats tight, that you are having good gains in lean mass as well as strength. So, at 205, do you think I would be better off taking .25 eod or .25ed??? Thanks for the info.

[Pac8541]

I don't take anything specifically for cholesterol.

As far as what dosage you should run on the letro, I could be wrong but I don't think it has anything to do with bodyweight, at least thats not my understanding of it. I arrived at the .25mg eod by just playing with the dosages and seeing how they affected me. Half a mg is definitely too much for me unless I start noticing gyno. A 1/4 mg ed is ok but eod seems to be just as effective so I'll go with that and enjoy my libido being suppressed even less.

My advice, fwiw, is to start with .25mg ed for a couple weeks, let it build up in your system, then play with the dosages for about a week at a time. That's how I found my sweet spot.

[Pac8541]

One other thing: pay attention to how your letro is dosed. Mine is 2.5mg/ml. A lot of guys don't realize this and when you say take .25mg, they're eating 1/4ml. That works out to about .65mg. If my math is correct, one quarter of a mg of a product strength at 2.5mg/ml equals 1/10th of a ml (or 1/10th of a cc, same thing). Hope that explanation is understandable.

[BGIZZLE8629]

One other thing: pay attention to how your letro is dosed. Mine is 2.5mg/ml. A lot of guys don't realize this and when you say take .25mg, they're eating 1/4ml. That works out to about .65mg. If my math is correct, one quarter of a mg of a product strength at 2.5mg/ml equals 1/10th of a ml (or 1/10th of a cc, same thing). Hope that explanation is understandable.

yea, I understand that. You are right. But, so you think that I should start taking the letro like a couple of weeks before I start my cycle??? Thanks for the info. oh, and why dont you take anything for cholesterol? J/W? Do you know what it is like right now??

[BGIZZLE8629]

"Nolva and HCG are two completely different things. They do different things, so technically, you can run both at the same time,but like I said, save the nolva for pct"
[B]Well, I read in one of the stickys that you HAD to run Nolva while you ran HCG. [/B]"yes, your estrogen will rebound if you stop letro cold-turkey. This is why i would run a small dose of arimidex for several days after tapering down the letro"
so, if I use arimidex, then, I have to taper down to LETRO? I thought that letro was more powerful than arimidex? So is it a must to use letro after arimidex or seomthing?

I just realized that everything that I put typed in up there is utterly and rediculously stupid. My bad.

[Pac8541]

But, so you think that I should start taking the letro like a couple of weeks before I start my cycle???

I've heard that suggested several times here and by some of my bro's here but I've never tried doing that myself. I've just started when my cycle began so I'm not much help there.

No particular reason for not taking something for cholesterol other than I don't have anything for it on hand. I have no idea what it is right now but when I get home I'll be having blood tests done and I'm taking at least 2 months off before beginning anything new. Probably longer.

[BGIZZLE8629]

I've heard that suggested several times here and by some of my bro's here but I've never tried doing that myself. I've just started when my cycle began so I'm not much help there.

No particular reason for not taking something for cholesterol other than I don't have anything for it on hand. I have no idea what it is right now but when I get home I'll be having blood tests done and I'm taking at least 2 months off before beginning anything new. Probably longer.

Alright then. i think I might just start taking it like a week before I start my cycle. Just to have it pumping in my blood at a substantially stable level before I throw in the test...... Yea, it would definatly be a good idea to get those done and chill out for a while. Good luck and thanks for the help.

[BGIZZLE8629]

I think that I have changed my mine and now I am planning on using Arimidex during cycle...... What is the best dosage for arimidex??

Or, should I just stick with using Letro during cycle??

[Hack72]

25mgs of proviron isnt enough. Recommended does is 100-150mgs/ed.

[BGIZZLE8629]

25mgs of proviron isnt enough. Recommended does is 100-150mgs/ed.

thats seems pretty high. I think that the highest I would go is about 75mg ed but I think that I will stick with about 50mg/ed. Thanks for the recommendation

[BGIZZLE8629]

dropping the proviron while ON and going w/Arimidex @.25mg/eod saving Nolva + Proviron for PCT. any other suggestions??