Israel might use nukes against Iran

[eliteforce]

Actually they pretty much all helped Kuwait when Iraq invaded, US forces launched their ground offensive alongside Syrian troops, Syrians went in on the first day of the ground assault, so did Egyptian, and Saudi. Arab personnel were at the front in case of high casualties western politians didn't want it to look like allies were doing all the dying-but then casualties were light.

also Lebanon was never attacked by Syria, Syrian troops went into Lebanon in 1975 at the request of it's (at that time) Christian dominated govt (the pre1975 Lebanon regime was mostly Christian and it was backed by Syria and the west, particularly France) the US and France also encouraged Syria to go in at the time. After the Israeli invasion of 1982 (which left the country in ruins and killed 20,000; including up to 2000 massacred Palestinians at the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps) and the failed 1983 US,French,Italian peacekeeping mission which ended in attacks on the peacekeepers, Syria continued to stay in the Bekaa valley; again in 1990 France and the US backed the peace accords that called for the militias to be disbanded and the Lebanese Army re-activated-Syria was tapped to go into Beirut and enforce it, and rebuild the Leb. Army with western backing-what followed was unprecedented reconstruction, until they were asked to leave last year, which they immediately did.

This grand mufti thing has been dragged out so many times, the real story who-knows and who-cares, but top general is an obvious exaggeration, I have also heard stories that hundreds of thousands of Jews were denied entry to the US because the Zionists insisted they go to Palestine and sabotaged their emigration, when that didn't happen, they wound up dead-I think such demagogy is pointless, none of it justifies the fact that Israel is a racist aphartied state, like some 5 year old Palestinian has to pay the price of this grand mufti a hundred years ago.

[singern]

Actually they pretty much all helped Kuwait when Iraq invaded, US forces launched their ground offensive alongside Syrian troops, Syrians went in on the first day of the ground assault, so did Egyptian, and Saudi. Arab personnel were at the front in case of high casualties western politians didn't want it to look like allies were doing all the dying-but then casualties were light.

also Lebanon was never attacked by Syria, Syrian troops went into Lebanon in 1975 at the request of it's (at that time) Christian dominated govt (the pre1975 Lebanon regime was mostly Christian and it was backed by Syria and the west, particularly France) the US and France also encouraged Syria to go in at the time. After the Israeli invasion of 1982 (which left the country in ruins and killed 20,000; including up to 2000 massacred Palestinians at the Sabra and Chatila refugee camps) and the failed 1983 US,French,Italian peacekeeping mission which ended in attacks on the peacekeepers, Syria continued to stay in the Bekaa valley; again in 1990 France and the US backed the peace accords that called for the militias to be disbanded and the Lebanese Army re-activated-Syria was tapped to go into Beirut and enforce it, and rebuild the Leb. Army with western backing-what followed was unprecedented reconstruction, until they were asked to leave last year, which they immediately did.

This grand mufti thing has been dragged out so many times, the real story who-knows and who-cares, but top general is an obvious exaggeration, I have also heard stories that hundreds of thousands of Jews were denied entry to the US because the Zionists insisted they go to Palestine and sabotaged their emigration, when that didn't happen, they wound up dead-I think such demagogy is pointless, none of it justifies the fact that Israel is a racist aphartied state, like some 5 year old Palestinian has to pay the price of this grand mufti a hundred years ago.
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Oh please...You cannot continue to spin history to fit an agenda based on hatful denial and obvious objectives. Israelis want to live in peace, and I believe most Palestinians do as well, in a two state solution.

The real question is why wont the Radical movements and tyrannical regimes allow this to happen.......You know the answer to this as well as I do, and because the simple truth that this has been going on millennia before the state of Israel was officially created, dont need a diploma to understand that not one of them gives a flying squirrel about the palestinians they claim to be fighting for.

If the terrorists would stop tomorrow there will be peace.
If Israel stops tomorrow there will be no more Jews.

[zodiac666]

If the terrorists would stop tomorrow there will be peace.
If Israel stops tomorrow there will be no more Jews.

very well put, even the people against israel wouldnt disagree with that

[mcpeepants]

very well put, even the people against israel wouldnt disagree with that

well when there were ceasefires between Israel and Palestinians, Israelis continued building settlements and the wall in the west bank. that doesn't promote peace.

[eliteforce]

I don't have a problem with a 2 state solution; Your the one that brought up this business with the mufti-that a Palestinian was one of Hitlers "Top Generals" and that he negotiated with Hitler "The elimination of Jews"..so your basically saying that it was the Palestinians that were responsible for the extermination camps, it was a joint German-Palestinian extermination project. Palestinians were "Top Generals" in the Nazi regime! gimme a fkn break, I'm not even gonna bother researching the mufti story we can just assume it's bullshit.

..and then I'm the one that is "spining history to fit an agenda based on hatful denial"!

[singern]

..and then I'm the one that is "spining history to fit an agenda based on hatful denial"!

LETS SEE, Your denying the fact of Arab/Nazi cooperation pre and post WWII, and the openly sadistic intention of the current Ahmenajads regime today.
yes of course I stand by my statement......

[eliteforce]

well even if you think they would give nukes to Hezbollah, I don't see anything that would suggest Hezbollah or Hamas would want nuclear weapons , but theres nothing that can be done to stop Iran from manufacturing nuclear weapons, and it is very possible Iran already has some devices, if Pakistan can manufacture nuclear weapons more than 10 years ago, I don't see whats taking Iran so long. If they have one already it's far to dangerous to attack nuclear facilities as that could be considered a nuclear first strike especially if there is nuclear fallout and environmental contamination-Iran will not tollerate millions of their people dying of cancer as the result of Israeli "defensive" action-they might hit TelAviv..and then who knows what happens .. you don't want to create a self-fulfilling prophesy when insisting they would do this and that.

[zodiac666]

well even if you think they would give nukes to Hezbollah, I don't see anything that would suggest Hezbollah or Hamas would want nuclear weapons , but theres nothing that can be done to stop Iran from manufacturing nuclear weapons, and it is very possible Iran already has some devices, if Pakistan can manufacture nuclear weapons more than 10 years ago, I don't see whats taking Iran so long. If they have one already it's far to dangerous to attack nuclear facilities as that could be considered a nuclear first strike especially if there is nuclear fallout and environmental contamination-Iran will not tollerate millions of their people dying of cancer as the result of Israeli "defensive" action-they might hit TelAviv..and then who knows what happens .. you don't want to create a self-fulfilling prophesy when insisting they would do this and that.

you dont think hezbollah would want nukes? their soul existance is to destroy israel.

[zodiac666]

well even if you think they would give nukes to Hezbollah, I don't see anything that would suggest Hezbollah or Hamas would want nuclear weapons , but theres nothing that can be done to stop Iran from manufacturing nuclear weapons, and it is very possible Iran already has some devices, if Pakistan can manufacture nuclear weapons more than 10 years ago, I don't see whats taking Iran so long. If they have one already it's far to dangerous to attack nuclear facilities as that could be considered a nuclear first strike especially if there is nuclear fallout and environmental contamination-Iran will not tollerate millions of their people dying of cancer as the result of Israeli "defensive" action-they might hit TelAviv..and then who knows what happens .. you don't want to create a self-fulfilling prophesy when insisting they would do this and that.

they could get nuked by israel, it just depends onwhether israel wants to take the huge risk of hoping that iran wont give hezbollah nukes.

and i seriously doubt iran has nukes already.

[singern]

well even if you think they would give nukes to Hezbollah, I don't see anything that would suggest Hezbollah or Hamas would want nuclear weapons , but theres nothing that can be done to stop Iran from manufacturing nuclear weapons, and it is very possible Iran already has some devices, if Pakistan can manufacture nuclear weapons more than 10 years ago, I don't see whats taking Iran so long. If they have one already it's far to dangerous to attack nuclear facilities as that could be considered a nuclear first strike especially if there is nuclear fallout and environmental contamination-Iran will not tollerate millions of their people dying of cancer as the result of Israeli "defensive" action-they might hit TelAviv..and then who knows what happens .. you don't want to create a self-fulfilling prophesy when insisting they would do this and that.

If you look at the recent Iran-Iraq war. Iran used tens of thousands of children solders. Boys under the age of 13 who were recruited to fight in the war. The strategy was to "deplete Iraqi bullets".

I use this example because it represents the ability of the iranian leader to gladly sacrifice half the Iranian population in order to fulfill his goal of eliminating the Jews from the middle east and uniting all Arab/Muslim nations under him.

[Kärnfysikern]

Well the entire world is sharing nuclear technology with anyone signing the NPT and america is planning to share it with nations that hasnt signed the npt(india).

Nuclear technology isnt hostile or dangerous. Nuclear weapons are. If Iran is trying to start some own movement to spread technology to nations that hasnt signed the NPT it needs to be dealt with. But since most big arab nations that plan on building nuclear power plants probably has already signed it it wont matter much in the long run.

Do you think the ayatholla would sacrifice his own life, his familys life, his relatives lifes and the life of his entire country in order to give hezbolla one nuke? In that case I think he would rather launch the nuke himself.

[singern]

Do you think the ayatholla would sacrifice his own life, his familys life, his relatives lifes and the life of his entire country in order to give hezbolla one nuke? In that case I think he would rather launch the nuke himself.

Yes he would without hesitation, this is the theology of "shahid" martyrdom, and sacrifice in the name of Allah. To believers like him there is no greater good, no greater pursuit of reward in heaven.

[Kärnfysikern]

Yes he would without hesitation, this is the theology of "shahid" martyrdom, and sacrifice in the name of Allah. To believers like him there is no greater good, no greater pursuit of reward in heaven.

Then you assume the Aytaholla is a true belive and that everyone else in power in Iran is also a true beliver. I doubt it. They are probably as true belivers as hussein or arafat. I dont think the ayatholla would go out in media and correct some of ahmajedinads more stupid statements otherwise.

either way if that is the greatest glory I doubt they would give the nuke to hez, they would use it themself. But then again they dont have one to give or use and they wont for a whole lot of years to come.

[shrpskn]

Great debate here...

Keep it coming...

[LawMan018]

Why can't these Middle Eastern morons just live in peace... All I hear about is war, war, war, it's the Jews fault kill them... Wtf? Maybe they need to stop blaming other people and deal with stuff like decent human beings, it's their fault everything is so ****ed up... and Bush

[Kärnfysikern]

Has the ayatholla ever said or done anything that suggest he is over the top fanatic crazy?

[Logan13]

sorry, double post.

[Logan13]

Has the ayatholla ever said or done anything that suggest he is over the top fanatic crazy?

The Ayatholla obviously approves of the statements and actions of Ahmenajad since Ahmenajad has maintained the same platform his whole term in office. I don't know Johan, but by all accounts Mohamed Atta was a simple hard-working man. He obviously never made any statements that he wanted to take part in hijacking a plane and flying into a building, but guess what, that's exactly what he did. Michael Devlin, the Missouri man who kidnapped and kept two boys in his home, had fooled everyone around him as well. Many were shocked about what he had done. He certainly did not tell anyone that he wanted to do this, he just did it. There are many, many examples I could use. Why do you always want to throw common sense out the window in cases like this?

[Kärnfysikern]

The Ayatholla obviously approves of the statements and actions of Ahmenajad since Ahmenajad has maintained the same platform his whole term in office. I don't know Johan, but by all accounts Mohamed Atta was a simple hard-working man. He obviously never made any statements that he wanted to take part in hijacking a plane and flying into a building, but guess what, that's exactly what he did. Michael Devlin, the Missouri man who kidnapped and kept two boys in his home, had fooled everyone around him as well. Many were shocked about what he had done. He certainly did not tell anyone that he wanted to do this, he just did it. There are many, many examples I could use. Why do you always want to throw common sense out the window in cases like this?

The ayatholla has corected ahmeajads statements so he doent seem to agree with him.

Also I dont think I throw comon sense out the window. I just dont assume things about people. Without proof there is nothing. I have no reason to belive the ayatholla is a nutcase. He seems to be just another power hungry dude that uses religion in order to keep power.

[Logan13]

The ayatholla has corected ahmeajads statements so he doent seem to agree with him.

Also I dont think I throw comon sense out the window. I just dont assume things about people. Without proof there is nothing. I have no reason to belive the ayatholla is a nutcase. He seems to be just another power hungry dude that uses religion in order to keep power.

Anyone who uses religion in this fashion, regardless of the which religion it is, concerns me. So if the US would have thrown Mohammad Atta out of the country, would you have condemned the US for doing so without any "concrete proof" since Atta never made his agenda public?

[Kärnfysikern]

Anyone who uses religion in this fashion, regardless of the which religion it is, concerns me. So if the US would have thrown Mohammad Atta out of the country, would you have condemned the US for doing so without any "concrete proof" since Atta never made his agenda public?

No offcourse I would not. he wasnt even a citizen right? I dont give a shit about who usa kicks out or not.

But if you want to possibly attack a country because the leader is religiously nutty then there has to be proof that the leader is religiously nutty and having wet dreams about beeing a big martyr of islam.

[Logan13]

The ayatholla has corected ahmeajads statements so he doent seem to agree with him.

When did he do this?

[Kärnfysikern]

When did he do this?

when ahmajine made that wipe israel of the map statement the ayatholla a day or two after said that iran do not under any circumstance want to start any hostilities with israel.

When ahmablah scream and shout about iran going nuclear the ayatholla repedeatly state that nuclear weapons is against islam and that iran do not want them.

Thats the two cases that pop into my mind. The ayatholla sure seems eager to make sure no one thinks iran want to start hostilities with anyone. Maby he is smarter than big mouth?

[Kärnfysikern]

I know. But if you truly belive the ayatholla wants to build nukes and wants to give them to hez because of his supposed religious convinction then I assume you would use that as a argument for a attack?

Seems to me the ayatholla gives ahmajinead some room to exercise his mouth in order to rile up the people a bit. But I doubt he is insane.

[singern]

Seems to me the ayatholla gives ahmajinead some room to exercise his mouth in order to rile up the people a bit. But I doubt he is insane.

Insane, no...but a religious zealot is just as dangerous because of unyielding conviction... We all know religion has been the root of more war and death than any other reason. When you combine this with the millennia old brainwashing hatred of Israelis/Jews, you begin to understand the real danger here.