Controlled Delivery

[TolVlo]

to be safe, just get a marker and write "Return to sender" on the box. Stick it next to your door. If you ain't busted in a week i'd say you're good to go

[rock steady]

bullshit, i believe that it could have been a new person delivering it but the mailman didnt say that.......... lets stop for a second...catch our breaths, and snap back into reality and think logically just for a second..

theres a shitload of possibilities that could have resulted in the mailman being a dude you've never met before...that original girl could have quit, taken a vacation, had her period and couldnt get out of bed, was sick, or just didnt feel like seeing your ugly face that day...odds are everythings gravy but youre just looking WAY too deep into it. may I add that all of these conspiracy theories about the mailman being on the "inside", or that he doesnt think its wrong for using gear, or even that hes warning you are ALLLL bullshit. chances are he didnt even say that, and the author of this thread just mentioned it for dramatic effects.

if you are worried about the sensor, what id do is drench the box COMPLETELY in water, which will **** up the sensor and wont harm the sealed gear. other things you can possibly do is running it by a metal detector if you can get your hands on it. but the water trick should work...after you drench it in water open it carefully from the center of the package like some1 mentioned before.

[rock steady]

[GFLEXXX]

if they can tell with these "sensors" when you open it...they would surely know when you have drowned it and it suddenly turns off...

[GFLEXXX]

unless the energizer bunny drums by them with a smile on his face

[Snrf]

bullshit, i believe that it could have been a new person delivering it but the mailman didnt say that.......... lets stop for a second...catch our breaths, and snap back into reality and think logically just for a second..

theres a shitload of possibilities that could have resulted in the mailman being a dude you've never met before...that original girl could have quit, taken a vacation, had her period and couldnt get out of bed, was sick, or just didnt feel like seeing your ugly face that day...odds are everythings gravy but youre just looking WAY too deep into it. may I add that all of these conspiracy theories about the mailman being on the "inside", or that he doesnt think its wrong for using gear, or even that hes warning you are ALLLL bullshit. chances are he didnt even say that, and the author of this thread just mentioned it for dramatic effects.

if you are worried about the sensor, what id do is drench the box COMPLETELY in water, which will **** up the sensor and wont harm the sealed gear. other things you can possibly do is running it by a metal detector if you can get your hands on it. but the water trick should work...after you drench it in water open it carefully from the center of the package like some1 mentioned before.

I agree with everything you said except for the stupid sensor comment.

FUCKS SAKE PEOPLE... it's not the CIA/DEA/FBI after you. At most its local cops, if it was a couple million dollars worth of shit i'd worry about bugs and undercover agents and "inside men" tipping you off to get a reward or some shit...but its not, its probably $300 worth of gear so they'd just confiscate it. you all need to stop smokin that stuff cuz its making you paranoid

[rock steady]

if they can tell with these "sensors" when you open it...they would surely know when you have drowned it and it suddenly turns off...

so what, that doesnt pin you with anything illegal though. doesnt show you tried opening the box. leave it outside in the rain one day with some marker shit written on it.......


whatever i just said is based on the assumption that there is a massive dea/cia/secret servie/fbi/lapd/atf joint task force surveillance operation like everyone is making it out to seem...

[MuscleScience]

If you dont clean house your going to lose your gear, your freedom and a shit load of money anyway. send it to a friends or something.

[GFLEXXX]

there is no massive task force to burn guys who oder a couple hudred bucks worth of gear IMO....if you leave it outside the guy with the big arms down the street will take it...and claim his name is Sender

[RustyXP]

Reading this is way better then studying for my boards… I hope everything works out, let us know what happens with the next delivery!

[abcdef81]

bullshit, i believe that it could have been a new person delivering it but the mailman didnt say that.......... lets stop for a second...catch our breaths, and snap back into reality and think logically just for a second..

theres a shitload of possibilities that could have resulted in the mailman being a dude you've never met before...that original girl could have quit, taken a vacation, had her period and couldnt get out of bed, was sick, or just didnt feel like seeing your ugly face that day...odds are everythings gravy but youre just looking WAY too deep into it. may I add that all of these conspiracy theories about the mailman being on the "inside", or that he doesnt think its wrong for using gear, or even that hes warning you are ALLLL bullshit. chances are he didnt even say that, and the author of this thread just mentioned it for dramatic effects.

if you are worried about the sensor, what id do is drench the box COMPLETELY in water, which will **** up the sensor and wont harm the sealed gear. other things you can possibly do is running it by a metal detector if you can get your hands on it. but the water trick should work...after you drench it in water open it carefully from the center of the package like some1 mentioned before.

dude i agree with u about everything like why would they go threw that kind of trouble to put a sensor in my package and all. i def don't think they would do that. but, i am not making any of this up. that's why i am so baffled. yes, he might have been new, but the chances of that are pretty slim to happen on the exact day my package arrives. but, still i don't see why the law would be so worried bout busting me with the little $300 worth of juice i ordered for myself. and as to what he told me i have no clue why he said that. as soon as i put my john henry on the slip his words were "You're gonna be in trouble now." I looked up at him with a not so good face, but didn't say anything. and then he said "Have a nice day" and walked away. I am not making anything up or distorting anything for dramatic effect. What I described is exactly what happened.

[rock steady]

he definetly does it to every young looking dude who he drops things off to as a joke...HA thats funny if he actually does that

[deadliftin00]

haha dude... write return to sender on it just in case and don't open it yet. Also, you probably want to pull your head out of your ass.

1.) Wait for the regular mail tomorrow. See if it is the same mailman. If he is delivering for the whole neighborhood, he is probably just subbing or took over the route. Ask him like a normal human. "hey man, you're new around here, what happened to xxxx"
2.) If it is your regular lady, ask her what the deal was with the new mailman.

easy enough. You're dealing with postal workers here, not trained secret agents who can lie undetectably.

[WorkinHard2Day]

Why would DEA waste there money on something sooo small? This is personal. The mail man may have been saying "your in trouble now" because he thought he was hiding it from his Mrs?

[rock steady]

keep in mind mailmen dont know whats inside packages. its not like it had anabolic steroids written all over the box so as far as the mail man is concerned you could have had a rubber dildo in there

[DaIllstPlaya]

did you get your second package today?!?!?

what happened man?! post a reply!! Ahh !! Are you in jail?!?

if im not mistaken, i read somewhere that having steroids in our posession is like having COCAINE !!!

is this true?! omfg if my steroids get to my house and some bullshit like this happens, my parents would disown me and my father would kick me out his business

worst case scenarios? anyone?

god.... this thread just like... i dont know... it really made ME paranoid

i hope everything is ok bro, but damn... wat a fvckin coincidence that that happened that same day you were expectin your package

craaaaazzyyyy........ ima subscribe to this thread and we see wassup

[Spartan_N_Training]

There are a few possibilities here:
1. BS, sure we've all done it, and ya this is a pretty good story anyways
2. The mailman is screwing with you.
3. The feds are coming to raid your house...after they have given you fair warning?
4. The mailmen is not associated with the feds but somehow involved in a sting.


P.S. Did he get into the delivery truck? Because I doubt that fedex or whatever would let an agent take the role
would consider allow an agent to make deliveries for them.
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Does the package look like it has been opened beforehand, you may want to cut open a small hole in the side and see if there is in fact a sensor in there.
I would consider putting it in the microwave for a bit.

Good luck and keep posting!

[DaIllstPlaya]

sensors?!?! u mean they could actually do something like that?!

i thought the other posters were just fucfkin with him, maaan..... sensors and alarams and shit like that.... this steroid stuff is crazy

hey lets say for exmaple your caught with 2x10ml(cc) vials, what would happen?

jail time? prison? detention? wat?

[Buschlightcan]

Listen. Was it the USPS or fedex or ups. Tracking on USPS does not require a signature unless it is registered. You never sign for a package period. I would clean house right away and accept no more packages. Just don’t answer the door next time he knocks. If he continues then it is for sure a controlled delivery. Since you signed for the first one you could already be in trouble. They might be just trying to establish if you are a distributor. If you already signed for the first they have probable cause to make entry and search. You are already in trouble. They don't have to bust you on the first delivery. They very well could be trying to make sure that you don’t notice anything abnormal by not busting you the first time and delivering the other packages the next day. If they stack up the amount of gear you are receiving, a trafficking offense could be exactly what they are trying to establish. Do not answer the door, get rid of everything, when I say get rid I don’t mean give it to a friend I mean destroy it, off of your property to leave no evidence. Lets just say I know a thing or too about the law. The odds are you already have a arrest warrant drawn up for you. Good luck. Remember you have the right to remain silent, so exercise that right. The only thing you can do by talking is further incriminate yourself. They will try to tell you everything that they can to get you to speak. Do not. I have seen murder suspects walk for not saying a word. As for what the man who delivered your package said I have no explanation for that. It makes no sense at all. Take my advice.

[abcdef81]

To sum up a few things...no, i haven't received my second package yet. It is 1 a.m. where I am at, so I will see what happens tomorrow. I am pretty sure it will be tomorrow, but may be a day or two behind.

It is the regular USPS, so I guess it is registered. It's the same option I always choose when shipping, so I've signed before. I already have a really good excuse if I were to get busted, so I am not worried about signing or getting caught.

There is no USPS truck. I live in a neighborhood with small houses right next to one another so the mail lady walks with her bag around her each day from house to house. I am sure she parks somewhere, but I don't see her vehicle from my house.

I've already decided I am not cleaning out my house and getting rid of my computer. That sounds stupid b/c my juice and computer are worth more money than if I were to get caught. I am sure the most they would do is give me a little fine or destroy the juice. I'm just gonna hide the stuff in a really good place.

In all likelihood tho, I don't think they would be worried about a small shipment of juice. I think all they would do is destroy it and send me a seizure letter if it was discovered.

I just don't understand the mailman. I have always had the same woman for 2 years. This guy shows up today to deliver my package, dressed up in shorts and cap and his little scanning device on his waist belt like the perfect little mailman, and then tells me I'm gonna be in trouble after I sign the package, but then doesn't do anything. Like was he trying to scare me or warn me??

The package itself looks legit, but the only odd thing I did notice on it was at the very top where the seal is there are two small holes...one on the left side of the package and one on the right, a little smaller than a hole punch. dunno if they could have slipped anything in there.

i'll keep y'all updated tomorrow. if it is the same guy again i am going to be really worried. this guy was so freaky...like something about him just didn't look right at all. my first thought when I seen him was "undercover cop". he asked me my name and I responded "yes", and he said "i'll need you to sign right here for it", almost pushing the paper on me so he could force my damn signature.

[locowhiteguy77]

[QUOTE=dupa95]The guy has probably has delivered pakages like that before. He might know what's in side. So he thought he would be a smart ass,and get you all jacked up. Cuz he ain't got nothing better to do. Dude if something was gona happen it would have. /QUOTE]

I would agree. I got a seziure notice on my first cycle. I got scared and hide under the covers for two days. All I got was a notice that their going to destroy the stuff and if i wanted it, send back this notice. No big deal. The postman probably has seen packages like it before, and had nothing better to do then to be a dickface with his comment. If he delivers your next package, say thanks for the cookies.
Why would the cops/DEA play the waiting game. They would have come to your front door with the box. Just imagine what goes through the mail. Juice is the least of the problems.

[zipster_dude]

This does not make sense to me at all. Why risk felony possesion at best over a few hundred dollars.. If the same guy shows up for you to sign again, give him back your original package and tell him you signed for the item but do not recognize the sender. If you go down, you are looking at jail time with at least 5K to 10K in fines.

Your gut is your best friend. If it feels weird, fck it. Better safe than sorry.

Use your head!

[abcdef81]

the hell i'm giving it back to him. if they would happen to catch me i am just going to tell them i never opened it cuz i didnt recognize the sender and that it's not mine. how are they gonna prove its mine unless i tell them it is?

[tj979]

Any trucks parked out side your house that say Flowers ByIrene? I'd be nervous then!

[zipster_dude]

Ok, let me assure you, it's the possession that will get you. Either you are home free or they are waiting to bust you with the second delivery. Maybe intent to distribute. The ONLY way you get out of that is if your wife/gf/mother signs for the package. There is no proof that YOU took possession of the package. Once you sign, it is your ass. Open or not!

Take your chances if you like. I can speak with some experience on the matter though. It is your money and your life.. Let us know how it turns out.

[abcdef81]

well, i'm signing b/c it says my name. that doesn't mean tho that i acknowledge that the steroids are actually mine. all i am saying by signing is that i received a package in my name. now if they happen to try and arrest me, all i gotta say is that one of my gym buddys must have ordered it and put it under my name cuz he didnt wanna take a chance of getting caught with it under his own name. in that case i don't think they would waste their time trying to convict me cuz i have a good alibi and there's no way to prove that the steroids are mine. so they would probably just seize the roids and destroy them.

[abcdef81]

well, i'm signing b/c it says my name. that doesn't mean tho that i acknowledge that the steroids are actually mine. all i am saying by signing is that i received a package in my name. now if they happen to try and arrest me, all i gotta say is that one of my gym buddys must have ordered it and put it under my name cuz he didnt wanna take a chance of getting caught with it under his own name. in that case i don't think they would waste their time trying to convict me cuz i have a good alibi and there's no way to prove that the steroids are mine. so they would probably just seize the roids and destroy them.

[knownutz]

Look at the positive side. Don't worry what's the worst that could happen? Probably minimal jail time. You'll meet some new people. You learn some things about the penile system. Maybe make a few special friends. You'll get three hots and a cot. Have plenty of time to work out. It's no big deal. Think of it as a vacation. You'll be fine! Don't sweat it probably nothing. But really what's the worst that could happen?

[Beefkake31]

I can't believe the things being said in this thread. I've talked to Rick Collins on the phone about this about a year ago and if you don't know who he is, go to steroidlaw.com.

First of all, if this was a controlled delivery, right when they ask you if this package is for you or right when you sign it, that's it, that is all it takes. Call Rick and talk to him about it, from what I experienced he actually will take your call and help you for a few minutes if you have a question.

The mailman was probably ****ing with you or realized what the package was when he saw where it was from, etc. and just said you're going to be in trouble. But again, if you signed for it, that is all it takes, nothing else. Plus 99% of the time they set up controlled delivery for larger transactions not a 300$ cycle. You don't have anything to worry about, so relax.

And just so that 1% is taken care of take certain precautions like giving your cpu to your friend and clean everything else and give it to him, open the package then wait a couple weeks and move the stuff back.

[frank12391]

If that was a controlled delivery, You would already have been arested because if they arest you without the package, it's hard to get a conviction without the evidence which is the product. They would not have risked given you time to move the goods and if he was a cop, there is no way he would have tipped you off and jepardised the operation. They have to prove that you ordered, payed for and recieved the goods. It would be an embaressment to them if the arrested you but could not produce the goods for evidence. Do you realise the logistics that goes into a controlled delivery? Plus the logistics in getting US postal to cooperate to then give time for the gear to disapear over such a small amount? However, I recon DUPA is right so I would still get rid of all your shit because he could tip off the cops or tell someone who might do it and a future order could be the one. I would take some necasary precautions.

[ebjack]

it's 9:20 central time...are you still here ABCDEF??

[powerinabottle1300]

I'm dying to hear how this plays out. Got me thinking though too, mine is do in any time now. Good luck! There was some good advice given though, some a bit extreme...but not out of the question.

[DaIllstPlaya]

its 9:56central time (Houston)

any sign of the new package?! omg this siht is nerve wrecking, i never knew how severe it cuold be to deliver this shit to you

ooohhh man

what are the charges with a 2 bottles of 10ml(cc)? isnt having steroids like having cocaine in your possesion?

[nandro_shagg]

u sure he was even talking to you and not his kids on bluetooth or someshit...controlled delivery would have nailed you on the spot

[hardgainer1]

[DaIllstPlaya]

you thin kthis is bs hardgainer?

can u explain? in other words why would dis scenraion be stupid? could this never happen or what?

reson im askin is becuase im gonna order some gear this sat., i dont this to happen to me

[MorganKane]

for what its worth:

I have had express packages delivered several times (not juice related) and several times it was not my regular mail man delivering them. The regular one came later in the day with the normal mail.

[DaIllstPlaya]

lets look at all the factors that play into this thread

the small holes on the box
mailman being different and tellin you to your in trouble
happens on the exact day you got your stuff

my god....... this is very very scary

[dhriscerr]

Not to scare you but just to let you know that laws have changed and It use to be 1- 10ML bottle was considered 1 unit of steroids, not .5ml of steroid is considered a Unit of steroid, so a 10ML bottle is considered 20 units of steroids, so its easier to say your a distributer even with a personal ammount, A good reference for this and other laws and what to do's check out drugpolicy.org, and steroidlaw.com Awsome sites. Heres an excerpt from there on what Im talking about.

03.26.06 - U.S. Anabolic Steroid Punishments Increased!
The U.S. Sentencing Commission has published notice of temporary "emergency" (i.e., immediate) amendments to the federal anabolic steroid sentencing guidelines. Henceforth, injectable and oral steroids will be quantified for punishment in a 1:1 ratio to other Schedule III drugs, resulting in a twenty-fold measurement increase for injectable steroid units and a fifty-fold increase for oral steroid units. One "unit" of an oral steroid is now one pill, tablet or capsule. One "unit of a liquid steroid is now 0.5ml. Steroids in other forms ("e.g., patch, topical cream, aerosol") will be reasonably estimated based on a consideration of 25mg as one unit. Additionally, sentencing enhancements will apply in cases involving distribution to "athletes" or where coaches use their positions to influence athletes to use steroids, as well as in cases involving "masking agents." While likely to impact dealers more than personal users, the new 1:1 ratio nonetheless ignores fundamental differences between steroid usage and volume patterns as compared to other Schedule III drugs. Other problems with the amendments include the lack of any reference to potency in oral or injectable steroids, potentially leading to black market adaptations to circumvent the amendment (e.g., the creation of high potency "mega-pills"), as well as the lack of any knowledge requirement involving distribution (e.g., via the Internet) to unidentified customers who may turn out to be athletes. It is expected that the revisions will be made permanent by Congress in November. [For further information, see the written testimony of Rick Collins to the Sentencing Commission, the transcript of his appearance before the Commission, the Report of the USSC Steroids Working Group, and the Commission's Notice of Amendment to the guidelines.]

I know it isn't going to help you right now but for $40 bucks you or anyone else might want to look into the the Book Legal Muscle by Rick Collins

[king6]

Guys, you say that cops wont bother with wasting their time in busting someone for personal amounts of juice? I know cops that sit for hours just to bust kids with a few grams of cannabis. Which is a class A misdemeanor. If steroid possession is a felony, than you can believe it would be worth their time and effort.