Why Be Straight? (Religion Allowed?)

[Conservative]

(From the Dr. Laura Letter)

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advise from you, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws and how to follow them.

a)When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b)I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c)I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d)Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? ......Why can't I own Canadians?

e)I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement project?

f)A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g)Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would contact lenses help ?

h)Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

i)I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j)My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confidentyou can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

You realize this is all from the Old Testament, right? Do you understand the difference between the New Testament and the Old Testament? Apparently not.

[BgMc31]

Jesus man, are you a Kennedy? You're one of those guys that believes in doing what feels good, not what is moral. Religion justifying bigotry? When the bible clearly states homesexuality is wrong then preaching the truth is justified, not bigotry.

Keep doing what feels good in life. Keep letting guys not be men. keep giving excuses to everyone. We'll see where our country is in 50 years.

Not a Kennedy but an rational man. Saying someone isn't a man because he loves one is bigotry and assinine. And yes people have used the Bible as a basis for bigotry. And like stated above if you going to take this homosexual stuff literally from the bible then you must take everything in the bible literally. Typical religious zealots and their hypocrisy... only using parts of the bible to justify their hatred.

Learn history before you pass judgement. The new testament of the bible was written during the time Roman dominance, everything in the Bible is against the Roman establishment. Romans did what 'felt good' and therefore the writers of the Bible listed everything the Romans did as sin. Remember Jesus never put pen to pad.

Our country will be OK 50, 100, 150, 200 years from now. Jesus preached tolerance and love of all people... including homosexuals. It amazes me that the most Christian of us are the most intolerant, when the religion preaches tolerance.

[Logan13]

Our country will be OK 50, 100, 150, 200 years from now. Jesus preached tolerance and love of all people... including homosexuals. It amazes me that the most Christian of us are the most intolerant, when the religion preaches tolerance.

Tolerance to all groups(including religion), not just the one's that YOU like..........

[Conservative]

Not a Kennedy but an rational man. Saying someone isn't a man because he loves one is bigotry and assinine. And yes people have used the Bible as a basis for bigotry. And like stated above if you going to take this homosexual stuff literally from the bible then you must take everything in the bible literally. Typical religious zealots and their hypocrisy... only using parts of the bible to justify their hatred.

Learn history before you pass judgement. The new testament of the bible was written during the time Roman dominance, everything in the Bible is against the Roman establishment. Romans did what 'felt good' and therefore the writers of the Bible listed everything the Romans did as sin. Remember Jesus never put pen to pad.

Our country will be OK 50, 100, 150, 200 years from now. Jesus preached tolerance and love of all people... including homosexuals. It amazes me that the most Christian of us are the most intolerant, when the? religion preaches
tolerance.

Hypocrisy? Christians don't pick and choose what they want out of the bible. We live by the New Testament, which clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Do you want me to quote scriptures?

Jesus did preach tolerance and acceptance and he also gave people the opportunity to turn their lives around and accept Jesus. If you don't then suffer the consequences.

Your Roman argument is comical at best...I could write a novel about how many ways your are wrong! You're talking to a theology major, please stop trying to act like you know what you're talking about, you're embarrassing the other libs.

[LawMan018]

Jesus man, are you a Kennedy? You're one of those guys that believes in doing what feels good, not what is moral. Religion justifying bigotry? When the bible clearly states homesexuality is wrong then preaching the truth is justified, not bigotry.

Keep doing what feels good in life. Keep letting guys not be men. keep giving excuses to everyone. We'll see where our country is in 50 years.

Look where our country is now due to conservatives, aka Bush... We don't need to wait 50 years!

[Conservative]

Look where our country is now due to conservatives, aka Bush... We don't need to wait 50 years!

Where is our country now? Unemployment? Economy? Unemployment is at a all time low and the economy is ever booming. Oh wait, you must be talking about Iraq....Well I'm sure if John Kerry or Al Gore were in office the Muslim extremist problem would be eradicated and we would all be holding hands singing kum ba yah. Wake up.

[Logan13]

Look where our country is now due to conservatives, aka Bush... We don't need to wait 50 years!

Open your eyes and see where we are today. We have only had one Democrat president since the all might Carter. There's is an abundance in this country, I am sorry that you have been unable to grasp yours and therefore resent those who have.......

[m8intl]

Some would say that God is peoples' most creative invention

People need to stop using religion to justify their bigotry. Throughout history many have attempted to use religion to justify their bigotry, examples included slavery, racism (race superiority), anti-suffrage movement, anti other religions, etc. Let's face the facts, people are who they are and being gay or straight shouldn't dictate how one is treated or what rights they should have.

With that being said, women smell good even after working out. Nice titties are da bomb, and there is no greater gift given to us by God or by evolution (whatever you believe) than the female *****!! But that's just my opinion. I'm sure our gay members would argue that!

+1 Just because you read it in the bible doesn't make it literal fact.

I'm very attracted to, and love, beautiful women, but it has nothing to do with my religion.

[xero]

Some would say that God is peoples' most creative invention

Very good point. It am always amazed by how absolutely certain some people are that there is a "god" when there is no logical reason to be so sure of it.

[mavsluva]

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[gixxerboy1]

Believe it or not, everyone has faith in everything that they do. For instance, you purchase a car. You purchase a specific car because you have faith in that car. You then choose to drive the car because you have faith in the fact that your car will get you from point A to point B safely. There are tons of dangerous variables when driving a car, but your faith is strong enough to enable you to believe that you'll be okay when driving the car.

The very same principle appies to those that believe in God. While I don't frown down upon you for the type of car that you drive, I'll ask that you not frown down upon those that believe in God. Because questioning my belief in God is really questioning the integrity of my faith.

Here's a scenario for each and every one on this board:

The very next time that you get a headache, I'll ask that you not take anything to make it go away. No OTC medicines or whatever your choice of medication may be. Just deal with the headache on your own.

Now you may be asking, "What does this have to do with the topic of our discussion concerning God and what not?". Actually, quite a bit. You see, you may choose to take some aspirin to help curb a headache because your faith is strong enough in that aspirin to give you confidence that it will in fact work for you. So you take the aspirin and then wait to feel better because you know that it will make you feel better. Well, the same applies to those that believe in God. We put our faith in God to nourish each and every aspect in our lives. Because in the end, God is our aspirin.

It would not be appropriate for me to bash those who take aspirin to heal their headaches, so lets be respectful to those that do believe in God.

Mavs

I'm sorry if you took my post as a bash. Also mav's i believe you are much more then just your faith

But as for the scenarios you mentioned. Yes we may have faith in a car to get us from point a to point b. But thats because that was a what a car was designed for also from past experiences it has worked before. That's why i know it will do it. Not because of faith but because of fact.

Now take some invention you have never seen or heard of before. I show you some box and tell you if you hold it and spin around 3 times it will paint your house. Now seeing how this seems unbelievable and you never heard or seen such a thing. You may try it but your not going to have much faith it will work. if it did work and you painted all the houses in your neighbor hood. you wouldn't have faith it would work on the next house you will know it will. Because its been proven just like aspirin

[BgMc31]

Believe it or not, everyone has faith in everything that they do. For instance, you purchase a car. You purchase a specific car because you have faith in that car. You then choose to drive the car because you have faith in the fact that your car will get you from point A to point B safely. There are tons of dangerous variables when driving a car, but your faith is strong enough to enable you to believe that you'll be okay when driving the car.

The very same principle appies to those that believe in God. While I don't frown down upon you for the type of car that you drive, I'll ask that you not frown down upon those that believe in God. Because questioning my belief in God is really questioning the integrity of my faith.

Here's a scenario for each and every one on this board:

The very next time that you get a headache, I'll ask that you not take anything to make it go away. No OTC medicines or whatever your choice of medication may be. Just deal with the headache on your own.

Now you may be asking, "What does this have to do with the topic of our discussion concerning God and what not?". Actually, quite a bit. You see, you may choose to take some aspirin to help curb a headache because your faith is strong enough in that aspirin to give you confidence that it will in fact work for you. So you take the aspirin and then wait to feel better because you know that it will make you feel better. Well, the same applies to those that believe in God. We put our faith in God to nourish each and every aspect in our lives. Because in the end, God is our aspirin.

It would not be appropriate for me to bash those who take aspirin to heal their headaches, so lets be respectful to those that do believe in God.

Mavs

Very well spoken Mavsluva, BUT, you cannot compare faith in Aspirin to faith in God. The effects of aspirin is proven and not based on faith, as is every other medicine. There is proof that these medications work to dull pain. The belief in God or any other entity isn't based in truth or fact but rather in faith, pure faith. Nothing wrong with that, but comparing the to is reaching.

The same applies with your comparison of cars and faith. I don't have faith in my Durango, I chose my Durango because I liked it better than what was currently available. I know you aren't saying that you like your religion because it's the best available and in your price range. Because I know if another 'better' religion came along, would you switch?

Although much of what we do is based on some sort of faith, those who aren't believers don't put their trust in faith but rather in tangibles that is supported by science or such.

As for myself I am a believer (recently switched from agnostic), but I don't base my beliefs by the Bible, preachers, or fanaticism. I believe Jesus preached tolerance of all people and believed we should walk our own path in what we choose to be the path of God and let God judge us when the time comes not man. And in my opinion, I will not deny these God given pleasures because some man told me it's wrong. I'll leave that to the real 'higher power'.

[Kale]

People are God's most creative invention. I highly doubt that He planned on them being gay from the moment that he envisioned their souls.

Mavs you have got to be kidding. According to all of you believers God is all knowing. Surely he new that Man was capable of anything sexually

[Flagg]

Mavs you have got to be kidding. According to all of you believers God is all knowing. Surely he new that Man was capable of anything sexually

Thats right. God is supposedly infaliable, which meant He KNEW what would happen by putting that tree in the Garden of Eden for Eve to discover, which meant He KNEW what we'd be getting upto for the next few thousand years, including people having gay sex. By that estimation God doesnt have the right to be a homophobe or demand people be straight. You could essentially say its His fault.

[Kale]

Thats right. God is supposedly infaliable, which meant He KNEW what would happen by putting that tree in the Garden of Eden for Eve to discover, which meant He KNEW what we'd be getting upto for the next few thousand years, including people having gay sex. By that estimation God doesnt have the right to be a homophobe or demand people be straight. You could essentially say its His fault.

10 out of 10 Brother !!!!!

[Psychotron]

Thats right. God is supposedly infaliable, which meant He KNEW what would happen by putting that tree in the Garden of Eden for Eve to discover, which meant He KNEW what we'd be getting upto for the next few thousand years, including people having gay sex. By that estimation God doesnt have the right to be a homophobe or demand people be straight. You could essentially say its His fault.

Welcome to my internal struggle with my beliefe. I have meditated on that a lot, I mean when I read Genesis, it seems as if God doesnt even know Eve has eaten from the tree until he talks to Adam. I am not sure I still understand why he created us only to fall from eden. Perhaps one of the other Christian brothers can enlighten this to me.

I think I have given up accepting the Bible as inerrant too. I know blah blah scriptures are God breathed and no prophecy came from the prophet. But how is one to accept it as inerrant when the gospels cant get certain thing in chronological order. Did judas buy the field first then hang himself, or did he kill himself and the priest bought the field. so on and so on. I dont know, it hurts me to doubt it so.

[Flagg]

Welcome to my internal struggle with my beliefe. I have meditated on that a lot, I mean when I read Genesis, it seems as if God doesnt even know Eve has eaten from the tree until he talks to Adam. I am not sure I still understand why he created us only to fall from eden. Perhaps one of the other Christian brothers can enlighten this to me.

I think I have given up accepting the Bible as inerrant too. I know blah blah scriptures are God breathed and no prophecy came from the prophet. But how is one to accept it as inerrant when the gospels cant get certain thing in chronological order. Did judas buy the field first then hang himself, or did he kill himself and the priest bought the field. so on and so on. I dont know, it hurts me to doubt it so.

A couple of weeks back I met an elderly lady, i'd say she would be in her mid to late 70's (she could be older or younger, I don't know) and we were both talking about what a nice day it was and then she started talking about the human race. How she believes it's turned rotten now. She said we have all these free gifts on earth and we don't even realise it. She also told me that she was brought up a christian and has had christian beliefs her whole life but now at this point in her life she is starting to wonder if it's all been a myth. I found that a lil sad and it gave me food for thought, I mean she hasn't stopped believing in her saviour, she's stopped believing He exists. I'm not religious myself but I cant imagine what that must be like for someone to lose faith after such a long time so I wonder if it's the same for you.

[Bruce000]

Welcome to my internal struggle with my beliefe. I have meditated on that a lot, I mean when I read Genesis, it seems as if God doesnt even know Eve has eaten from the tree until he talks to Adam. I am not sure I still understand why he created us only to fall from eden. Perhaps one of the other Christian brothers can enlighten this to me.

I think I have given up accepting the Bible as inerrant too. I know blah blah scriptures are God breathed and no prophecy came from the prophet. But how is one to accept it as inerrant when the gospels cant get certain thing in chronological order. Did judas buy the field first then hang himself, or did he kill himself and the priest bought the field. so on and so on. I dont know, it hurts me to doubt it so.

I know where your coming from Bro. My problem is where God says he is no respecter of persons. But my wife and I have been trying for 9 years to fall pregnant. But He seems to give drug addicts/homeless people and 14 year old girls (just to name a few) children. My wife and I dedicated our lives to him and at one stage were Youth pastors. Needless to say we are no more involved in the ministry. I love Him dearly but cant find a way to wrap my head around this.

[kfrost06]

Thats right. God is supposedly infaliable, which meant He KNEW what would happen by putting that tree in the Garden of Eden for Eve to discover, which meant He KNEW what we'd be getting upto for the next few thousand years, including people having gay sex. By that estimation God doesnt have the right to be a homophobe or demand people be straight. You could essentially say its His fault.

Perhaps you should take that up with the Man, maybe you should give him your guidelines on what He can and can't do.

[Flagg]

Perhaps you should take that up with the Man, maybe you should give him your guidelines on what He can and can't do.

And that's your best counter argument to my post? Sounds almost a bigger copout as "the All Knowing" not knowing that gays would be around. Is this where you tell me God works in mysterious ways?

Do you believe gays are an a abomination?

[Superhuman]

Because I love blowing my load inside my uber-hot girlfriend and felching it out only to spit it back in her mouth and watch her blow bubbles with it...

[goodcents]

Because I love blowing my load inside my uber-hot girlfriend and felching it out only to spit it back in her mouth and watch her blow bubbles with it...

I knew when I saw you post it would be something funny

[Giants11]

Because I love blowing my load inside my uber-hot girlfriend and felching it out only to spit it back in her mouth and watch her blow bubbles with it...

Dude, that's kinda nasty to be honest. I think you just turned me Gay. The thought of my own cum in my mouth is pretty nasty. I used to make my G/f brush her teeth afterwards

Now I don't get BJ's anymore

[Superhuman]

Dude, that's kinda nasty to be honest. I think you just turned me Gay. The thought of my own cum in my mouth is pretty nasty. I used to make my G/f brush her teeth afterwards

Now I don't get BJ's anymore

haha well if you drink pineapple juice before-hand it will be sweet

look back at some of my old threads if you dare, i've done some pretty freaky shit. Ask Gsxxr lmao

[Giants11]

haha well if you drink pineapple juice before-hand it will be sweet

look back at some of my old threads if you dare, i've done some pretty freaky shit. Ask Gsxxr lmao

Not gonna lie, I'm scared to.

[PEWN]

the only gay like thing i would do is giver her the ol hot karl...

[PEWN]

Some would say that God is peoples' most creative invention

good point...

[kfrost06]

Out of one side of the mouth he says love one another and except them then out the other side Christians are intolerant and bigots???

[BgMc31]

Out of one side of the mouth he says love one another and except them then out the other side Christians are intolerant and bigots???

Kfrost are you saying that I said ALL Christians are intolerant and bigots? C'mon I know you are a Republican Christian Conservative but damn do you have to attempt to spin everything?

Re-read my post!!! I said it's funny how the most Christian of us seem to be the most intolerant while Jesus taught tolerance. What part of that don't you understand?

Also no one is trying to ram their lifestyle down your throat. I guarantee if people stopped trying to justify their hatred of gays and their lifestyle with religion and just let gays be treated equal, you would have never hear much about the so-called gay agenda.

[Hoggage_54]

Thank God for science!!

[Hoggage_54]

If a man thinks homosexuality is wrong, they clearly haven't seen a lesbian porno... which makes me think they might be

[kfrost06]

If a man thinks homosexuality is wrong, they clearly haven't seen a lesbian porno... which makes me think they might be

Ironic you call someone gay(as if the term is demeaning) in your defense of gays. I have no problem with someones life style choice, as far as I am concerned they are my equal, my problem is with people demeaning my beliefs when they do not agree with their own. Being gay should not mean you have to throw your lifestyle down everyone else throat.

[Titleist]

Being gay should not mean you have to throw your lifestyle down everyone else throat.

End of story.

I don't care who is gay and who is straight. If you're gay, that's your business, I don't want to hear about it, especially not homosexual bedroom antics. Personally I don't understand it, but I don't understand many things in life.

[goose]

culingus takes good,you know what I mean.

[gixxerboy1]

Girls asses arent hairy

[Big]

I've got a much simpler answer:
I likes girlies, men are icky.

[K.Biz]

Oh god, this got Blown way out of proprtion.

I should have known.......

[Kale]

I love this thread, its just like the old Religion Forum days except that its been civil for two whole pages !!!!

[Psychotron]

Well, I am a fairly new believer. And I have come from a background of engineering sciences, and so it is hard for me to just accept things as is. I believe with as much as my sinful heart can in what Christ has done for me and how the Spirit works through people. Where I begin to have my problems is when I am reading scriptures and things don't match up, and my biggest issue like I said is accepting that the Bible as it is today is the full work of God, and that it is free with error. I don't think I accept that, and I don't think someone should. People say if you don't believe it is inerrant you are saying that God is infallable. I disagree, I think by you claiming the scriptures are inerrant you are making God out to be infallable based on false pretenses. In any case, the minor discrepencies in the Bible shouldnt have an effect on the teachings in the Bible.

I have yet to bring these types of conversations up with my Pastor's and other christians I am close to in fear of being rediculed. The response I will likely get is that it is Satan working in me to doubt, and I do believe he does do such things, but this is a bit different, I am not doubting the teachings of Jesus Christ, or the justness of God.

[kfrost06]

Who needs coffee? I have this thread to wake me up.