Anthony Roberts New Article on Esters...

[im83931]

Blends with short and long esters .. Compounding pharmacies compound diffrent blends for HRT... Like cyp 100 mg , test e 100 , prop 50 .. ( just as an example) . They blend all diffrent kinds of blends..



Merc.

That would be interesting to try. So I have only used cyp because I have had a prescription for it.

[Merc..]

That would be interesting to try. So I have only used cyp because I have had a prescription for it.

I am on HRT ... I have used the ultra test blend that alot of compounding pharmacies compound.. They also compound a cyp/ prop blend ( 200 mg cyp , 50 mg prop)... or Test E/Prop.( same dose )...

And I have even seen a blend that had cyp 100 mg , test e 100 and prop 100 mg..

I only used the ultratest blend ( in the past)... I am currently using cyp at 200 mg EW for my HRT ...


Merc.

[taiboxa]

test IS test... you are still only changing the rate of degredation big whoop.

[BG]

test IS test... you are still only changing the rate of degredation big whoop.

[taiboxa]

look the only thing that is changed is the function group i.e. the ester.. the hormone is still the exact same as before. its just cleaved at a different rate and released in a different manner but your body still treats test.. as .. test.
why do u think people get puffy and gyno from suspension more so than others w/ an ester.. because its an immediate release of test and aromatizationof estrogen so its a LARGE onset.

[BG]

But from idividual to individual you can reduce sides and create more synergy in a cycle by using (or combining) different esters.

[BG]

look the only thing that is changed is the function group i.e. the ester.. the hormone is still the exact same as before. its just cleaved at a different rate and released in a different manner but your body still treats test.. as .. test.
why do u think people get puffy and gyno from suspension more so than others w/ an ester.. because its an immediate release of test and aromatizationof estrogen so its a LARGE onset.

Thats like looking at the subject with horse blinders on. The facts were given in his article and they cant be argued with, if you want to look at them blindly so be it, but if other people are looking to perfect their cycles then let them. Is this because of your dislike of test, dislike of Anthony or both? Because its seems to me your just disagreeing to disagree, even when the article makes perfect sense. I thought you liked Anthony.....why would you have sent him that email about growing up a fat kid??

[taiboxa]

Thats like looking at the subject with horse blinders on. The facts were given in his article and they cant be argued with, if you want to look at them blindly so be it, but if other people are looking to perfect their cycles then let them. Is this because of your dislike of test, dislike of Anthony or both? Because its seems to me your just disagreeing to disagree, even when the article makes perfect sense. I thought you liked Anthony.....why would you have sent him that email about growing up a fat kid??

the email was sent to inform him of the bloodwork and over exageration of sides and how i ascertain my results from my doctor.
no i have always stated that the ester is just that.. an ester.. sure u change shit around on a molecule and u can create a different compound all together. buttt.. the FUNCTION of the ester is a group attached TO the hormone molecule.. and its primary role is to regulate how fast the hormone is utilized.

im not arguing to argue. im just saying that i have ran test.. long/short/blends/unestered.. the only thing different.. was the protocol of administration.. did i see different sides ... no.. but i do feel better w/ long esters when it comes to tren.. why do u ask well its because the hormone is released at a slower rate, there is not high spike in plasma levels and this seems to make things easier on me.. but BIG KIG and i had this discussion before.
and i will try to make this as EASY read as possible...

lets say your taking 100mg prop ED and 100mg Enanthate ED
if you look at charts.. by the end of the weak... which hormone will have higher peak plasma levels? why? well lets see the enanthate ester would continue to stack on its self for a MUCH GREATER PERIOD OF TIME.

so how come you dont have MASSIVE GAINS COMPARED to Prop ester?
i mean.. you would have almost 3 times as much in your system w/ the long ester than you would w/ the prop by the end of the weak since by day 3 of the prop ester the initial administration is 0... but by Day 3 of the enanate ester the initial administration is just peaking..

if you can answer that question then your onto something

[Merc..]

look the only thing that is changed is the function group i.e. the ester.. the hormone is still the exact same as before. its just cleaved at a different rate and released in a different manner but your body still treats test.. as .. test.
why do u think people get puffy and gyno from suspension more so than others w/ an ester.. because its an immediate release of test and aromatizationof estrogen so its a LARGE onset.

One of the main things the article is showing is how different esters have different effects on aromatization and 5a reduction..

Thus making the action of the parent Steroid ( test) have different actions due to which ester it is attached to.... In that aspects test is not test

Merc.

[taiboxa]

One of the main things the article is showing is how different esters have different effects on aromatization and 5a reduction..

Thus making the action of the parent Steroid ( test) have different actions due to which ester it is attached to.... In that aspects test is not test

Merc.

and you can find peer review articles and case studies supporting the kraziest shit immaginable.. imo.. its allll the same.

[taiboxa]

One of the main things the article is showing is how different esters have different effects on aromatization and 5a reduction..

Thus making the action of the parent Steroid ( test) have different actions due to which ester it is attached to.... In that aspects test is not test

Merc.

and its still speculation...
as he himself states he "SUSPECTS".

[perfectbeast2001]

I am not really one for in depth science but i can certainly state my point based on personal experience. When i change ester half way through a cycle (i.e i have run test E for 8 weeks then i change to Test C) I have noticed that soon after changing i get renewed gains and a noticable increse in libido and agression levels during training. This would seem to support Anthonys theory that there are more to esters than simply dictating half life.

[taiboxa]

i started when i was 14.. i think thats where my boobs came from.

[perfectbeast2001]

cmon guys lets stick to the subject at hand. It is interesting and this thread dose not need to be closed due to squabbling.

[Merc..]

cmon guys lets stick to the subject at hand. It is interesting and this thread dose not need to be closed due to squabbling.

Perfect Beast,

I am not squabbling.(maybe you have not read my post in this thread . every post I have posted here is pertaining to it). I even asked if we can stay on topic here.

I just was like wow when I looked at the link he posted and it said he was 40.

When he said he was using AAS for 27 years I thought he was going to be much older.. Nothing more nothing less..

Merc.

[taiboxa]

my lil spill didnt pertain to the article, i just thoght it was an interesting ordeal that big KIG discussed.

[thunderin]

Yes, I got my first bottle of dbol and amps of test cyp and deca from a friend who's father was a doctor at a age when I shouldn't have been able to get them. Stunted my gowth a bit too...my sister is as tall as I am. Gyno came a year later. It was kind of nice being the only one who could bench 315 as a freshman.


Who needs to be 5'11"?

[Merc..]

Yes, I got my first bottle of dbol and amps of test cyp and deca from a friend who's father was a doctor at a age when I shouldn't have been able to get them. Stunted my gowth a bit too...my sister is as tall as I am. Gyno came a year later. It was kind of nice being the only one who could bench 315 as a freshman.


Who needs to be 5'11"?

Dam a DR gave you dbol and test at 13 years old.



Thats crazy..


Merc.

[taiboxa]

Dam a DR gave you dbol and test at 13 years old.



Thats crazy..


Merc.

yeah wats worse is my friend at 14 got dbol and nolvadex from our coach...

[BG]

Almost 3 decades of experience cycling AAS means a lot more to me than the suppositions/not true-life experience of someone who was not even born when I first injected my glute.

Well if those are your stats, 5'9" 202 you have no idea what the fuc your doing. Im 5'7" 212 old timer, if you want pm me Ill give you some diet and training tips.

[thunderin]

Almost 3 decades of experience cycling AAS means a lot more to me than the suppositions/not true-life experience of someone who was not even born when I first injected my glute.

Well if those are your stats, 5'9" 202 you have no idea what the fuc your doing. Im 5'7" 212 old timer, if you want pm me Ill give you some diet and training tips.

That was after dieting down. Please read 'til the last page of the journal. As of this morning, I am 103kg (almost 227lbs).

Somethings change ....some dont I see.

I give up bro. Blindly follow Anthony and he will lead you to great heights.

Got to run, time for more humalog and food.

[taiboxa]

Tai, you got all this knowledge, and your ways are supposevly the best and work the best.....post a fuc'n picture of yourself and show me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Or all your ideas speculation and you really dont use or put them to true life use?

G' such hasty and energized skeptism at its finest... are they the best for everyone.. of course not.. do i know my body? yes i do.

When have i ever claimed that my way is THE BEST? never.. but i do QUESTION others motives/methods/reasonings why? simple.. curiosity. do i suggest what works for me for others to try? YES otherwise my existance here would be absolutly pointless outside the lounge.

Firstly do not assosciate my skepticism as a means of defacing any work anthony roberts has composed.. im in aggreement with the fact he is a dilligent researcher, a very read man and never leaves any stones unturned (stones that are currently present anyways who knows what will turn up in 3months) but there are just so many unknowns, variables and flat out MYSTERIES in this lifestyle of aas usage.

Secondly if your going to use best twice in once sentence (especially with that many exclamation points ) i would hope you would have done some premeditated digging of my posts to relinquish any doubt that i am as arrogant as you make me out to be.

anyways everything i "PREACH/PARROT" i do put to "true-life" use as for a picture... those will never be posted online.. and yes i love the redundency that is brought about by this simple act of "NOT POSTING A PIC" but i wouldnt want goose to know he is dating an indian.

[thunderin]

Dam a DR gave you dbol and test at 13 years old.

Thats crazy..

Merc.

from the Dr.'s son who obviously didn't have permission. We were young and stupid

[Merc..]

[QUOTE=Merc.]

So your saying you cant maintain stable levels of prop unless you inject ED ? If this is the case how come so many people here have tried prop ED and EOD with zero diffrence in side effects or gains .


Alot of people are not reporting back that using prop EOD is putting them on a emotional roller coaster. I mean yes highly androgenic AS like tren have a effect on serotonergic amines and decrease serotonin thus possibly putting you on a emotional roller coaster ( some people even shoot tren ace EOD and dont get horrible emotional sides)

Mg to Mg I experience less bloat and sides when using prop. Anthony is really on to something with aromatization and 5a reduction effecting the compound.


This is the" FIRST" article that's even addresses this . Most felt that the ester really only effects half life .


Anthony's article shows it has much more to do with it than just half life ...

Besides that most do bloat less on prop than test E or cyp .

A decade of steroid post on the web shows that most people get divergant effects from different esters..

Look at a cutting cycle for a example , its almost always prop . Bulkers are most always test e or cyp. This comes from experience not just randomness.

Take a look at the last 100 cutting cycles on here . You will see that about 90% used short esters for cutting and long esters for bulkers..

Anyways like I said the article addresses things that have never really been discussed anywhere (mostly how an ester has a direct effect on aromatization and 5a reduction) , and obviously sheds a new look into how the ester plays a greater role than most thought ..

Merc.

^^^^

Thoughts Thunderin ????


Merc.

[thunderin]

The only way this can be properly settled is to have a double-blind controlled study with 4 or more test subjects.

Other than that, let your body be the judge.

Too many people on too many boards have turned against Anthony for me to believe everything he posts now without questioning it.

[taiboxa]

The only way this can be properly settled is to have a double-blind controlled study with 4 or more test subjects.

Other than that, let your body be the judge.

Too many people on too many boards have turned against Anthony for me to believe everything he posts now without questioning it.

i was expecting a FIGHT TO THE DEATH..
but i suppose a DBPS would be ideal too..

[Merc..]

Acronym Definition
DBPS Defensive Battle Planning System
DBPS Distance-Based Priority Scheduling

Merc. LOL hahahahaha

[Merc..]

Or

Double blind placebo studies hahahahah lol

Merc.

[taiboxa]

i said fight to the death.. but the music never qued
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu2oIvdLSOE

[Swifto]

Anthony's thoughts would be good now.

[BG]

Anthony's thoughts would be good now.

Here you go.....


I’ve chosen to reply to some categories of comments about my last article here in my blog rather than on discussion forums, which I have chosen not to post on for the time being (I haven’t posted anywhere in roughly a month). Here’s some typical comments about my article, and my replies to them:

1. I’ve read most of this before. Bill (or Pat, or the other Bill, or some vet/mod) has said most of this before.

My answer: Agreed. Bill (same last name as me, no relation to me) wrote an article for ****Rx where he said 75% of the same stuff as did. His conclusion was that esters do not effect anabolic effects, nor aromatization…I forget if he mentions 5aR, but if he does, he logically wouldn’t come to the same conclusion as me.

75-85% of what I said in my article has been said a million times before, in every popular ester thread. The final 15-25% is totally different. That’s the point. Esters still work in the same way, but my article shows that they also do something else.

2. Everyone already knew this.

My answer: That’s possible. But I’ve done a search on every site where somebody made this claim, and found that all of the “Educational threads” and every answer given by the members and the staff - never mentions esters influencing aromatization/5aR/anabolic-properties.

So while it’s possible that everyone knows this, and knew it already, nobody has ever said it. Neither of the Bills, not Pat, etc. Everyone on the internet, on every major steroid site, has said the opposite of what my article says in the conclusion.

3. Most of this has been said before.

My Answer: True. But the parts that haven’t been said before are the important parts.

And as a side note, most of everything has been said before. We’re trying to advance knowledge by small amounts. This was a comparative leap in our level of knowledge. But not everything has to be original to be well done…An example is Pat’s first monthly column for MD…he reviewed GHRP-6, and said nothing different than I said in my GHRP-6 profile on ****Rx months earlier (or my Hex/GHRP-6 article from over a year ago); not a single different or new piece of information. But so what? It was germane and many people don’t know about it yet.

4.Roberts is a dick. This Mod/Vet/M.D./Everyone says so.

My Answer: Agreed. But the article isn’t about me.

5. I think the article is wrong.

My Answer: Then provide a superior hypothesis. Why do we bloat more on long esters, even when the test dose is the same. Also, explain why the primary study that I used is titled “Pharmacokinetics and Degree of Aromatization Rather Than Total Dose of Different Preparations Determine the Effects of Testosterone”, if I’m wrong. Because that entire study says I’m correct.

But here’s the thing…The article has been read by thousands of people already, most of whom recognize it to be correct….so, within a year, it will be “fact” unless a better article refutes it, or provides a stronger case for another paradigm. Still, I encourage people to discuss it and its implications; I’ve even provided some answers for the common comments about it.

6. You should be open to discussion about it.

My Answer: I am. I sent an advanced copy of the article out to several people, for discussion. I discussed it with professionals in the fitness industry, bodybuilders, a Doctor, and several trainers and coaches. I’m open to discussion with them, not every yahoo on the internet. Sorry. But you can always e-mail me (AnthonyRoberts@************.com) if you have something to say.

When I write an article, my obligation is to tell the truth, and educate people who choose to read it. Furthermore, I like to come out with unique, new, and original ideas whenever I can. I do this, the article gets published, I get paid, and that’s the end of it. Usually, I read comments about it, but I don’t reply.

AR

[Merc..]

Here you go.....


I’ve chosen to reply to some categories of comments about my last article here in my blog rather than on discussion forums, which I have chosen not to post on for the time being (I haven’t posted anywhere in roughly a month). Here’s some typical comments about my article, and my replies to them:

1. I’ve read most of this before. Bill (or Pat, or the other Bill, or some vet/mod) has said most of this before.

My answer: Agreed. Bill (same last name as me, no relation to me) wrote an article for ****Rx where he said 75% of the same stuff as did. His conclusion was that esters do not effect anabolic effects, nor aromatization…I forget if he mentions 5aR, but if he does, he logically wouldn’t come to the same conclusion as me.

75-85% of what I said in my article has been said a million times before, in every popular ester thread. The final 15-25% is totally different. That’s the point. Esters still work in the same way, but my article shows that they also do something else.

2. Everyone already knew this.

My answer: That’s possible. But I’ve done a search on every site where somebody made this claim, and found that all of the “Educational threads” and every answer given by the members and the staff - never mentions esters influencing aromatization/5aR/anabolic-properties.

So while it’s possible that everyone knows this, and knew it already, nobody has ever said it. Neither of the Bills, not Pat, etc. Everyone on the internet, on every major steroid site, has said the opposite of what my article says in the conclusion.

3. Most of this has been said before.

My Answer: True. But the parts that haven’t been said before are the important parts.

And as a side note, most of everything has been said before. We’re trying to advance knowledge by small amounts. This was a comparative leap in our level of knowledge. But not everything has to be original to be well done…An example is Pat’s first monthly column for MD…he reviewed GHRP-6, and said nothing different than I said in my GHRP-6 profile on ****Rx months earlier (or my Hex/GHRP-6 article from over a year ago); not a single different or new piece of information. But so what? It was germane and many people don’t know about it yet.

4.Roberts is a dick. This Mod/Vet/M.D./Everyone says so.

My Answer: Agreed. But the article isn’t about me.

5. I think the article is wrong.

My Answer: Then provide a superior hypothesis. Why do we bloat more on long esters, even when the test dose is the same. Also, explain why the primary study that I used is titled “Pharmacokinetics and Degree of Aromatization Rather Than Total Dose of Different Preparations Determine the Effects of Testosterone”, if I’m wrong. Because that entire study says I’m correct.

But here’s the thing…The article has been read by thousands of people already, most of whom recognize it to be correct….so, within a year, it will be “fact” unless a better article refutes it, or provides a stronger case for another paradigm. Still, I encourage people to discuss it and its implications; I’ve even provided some answers for the common comments about it.

6. You should be open to discussion about it.

My Answer: I am. I sent an advanced copy of the article out to several people, for discussion. I discussed it with professionals in the fitness industry, bodybuilders, a Doctor, and several trainers and coaches. I’m open to discussion with them, not every yahoo on the internet. Sorry. But you can always e-mail me (AnthonyRoberts@************.com) if you have something to say.

When I write an article, my obligation is to tell the truth, and educate people who choose to read it. Furthermore, I like to come out with unique, new, and original ideas whenever I can. I do this, the article gets published, I get paid, and that’s the end of it. Usually, I read comments about it, but I don’t reply.

AR

Good post BG 101...... ^^^^^^^^^^^

Merc.

[PEWN]

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[Merc..]

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Merc.

[PEWN]

up up and away..

[Merc..]

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Merc.

[Big]

bump for more opinions

[PEWN]

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[Merc..]

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Merc.