Ouija Board?

[IronReload04]

Dude there's no need to apologize Like I said, I was just debating because I love the topic. It's something I've spent a good part of my life reading about and trying to comprehend as much as possible.

That's cool about your priest friend. I knew one long ago that sounds just like him. Really nice guy and I didn't even know he was a priest the first time I met him. I've since lost touch with him, which is a shame.

As far as your experiences, related to the ouija board or not, I still love to read about things like that and try to figure out possible scenarios that could have caused it vs. if it were the real thing. There's just something about the paranormal that is entertaining to me

you know, thats really awesome.....I am absolutely fascinated just like you about the paranormal. and I love talking about it as well.

seems like you are a little on the nonbelieving side....And I am kind of on the believing side, even though I have really been on the fense for a while

[IronReload04]

Here is something to think about also. Take a person, who's been "educated by the media", and let them roam around here. We all know the truth about steroids. NOw take them, knowing nothing but thinking they are eperts, and think about how they would feel about us.


Now their are forums, which I have not spent much time with, but am going to look into, that are dedicated to the ouji because this thread has sparked an interest for me. Their are forums who believe strongly in the ouiji, who believe "they know the truth" similarly to how we "we know the truth" about steroids.....


Now that is something to think about right there. However, that still doesnt prove anything. An example, I have spent a significant amount of time looking into forums of people who believe in past lives. And I have to say, I dont believe a word in what they say. and they to feel that they "know the truth" about past lives. I think its all just a really big mind ****, and you really have to draw your own conclusions on things regardless of how strongly other people believe in something. I think usually, on issues, their is some truth and some myth to things....problem is, their is no half way between with the paranormal.

[Overhaulz]

you know, thats really awesome.....I am absolutely fascinated just like you about the paranormal. and I love talking about it as well.

seems like you are a little on the nonbelieving side....And I am kind of on the believing side, even though I have really been on the fense for a while

Yeah, the big marker for me that pushed me to more of the non-believing side was when I started learning sleight-of-hand and various forms of illusions.
I remember being younger and thinking that David Copperfield was incredible and just had to have mystical powers, but after learning and studying magic for so many years I've learned so much that it's hard to fool me.

I'm not bragging about not being fooled often either--some of the greatest moments of my life were being mystified by an illusion or by sleight-of-hand performed a foot from my face. I miss that feeling in all honestly. Most of the time now if I watch a performer, I try my best to not look for how the trick works, but the knowledge I've attained throughout the years won't let me be fooled.

It's kind of like how when you first started driving you had to completely concentrate on the road and what's going on around you. After years of driving, though, if you see a red light you no longer need to think about what's going on, heck you don't even need to be staring directly at the light and your body will naturally apply the breaks.

I guess the biggest irony in all of this is that when I was younger, I laughed at skeptics, but now I am one!

[Tock]

So having said that. Whether or not you believe, i dont care. But it cannot be denied that the bord has some credibility.

Sure it can. Watch me:

I deny it.


There.

[IronReload04]

Sure it can. Watch me:

I deny it.


There.

just as I can deny that the sun exists

[xero]

Yes, you're right. My over a decade of research in this stuff isn't "proper" research. I wonder, in your view, what would be proper research?

You say no one that "knows their stuff" would enter his challenge, and I ask you why that would be? His tests are quite simple, and if they truly knew their stuff, they would pass with flying colors.

Also, if James Randi isn't an authoritve point of reference on paranormal phenemenon, then I would really like to see who you believe is. That's like saying that Anthony Roberts knows nothing about steroids...

*Edited typos.

A decade of research into this stuff does not mean your conclusion are accurate. I could say the same about myself.

There are many people that research the paranormal, some backed by very credible US academic institutions, that will not be prepared to be so dismissive based on the data they are collecting.

It is too easy to become polarized towards the extreme positions of either a die hard sceptic or a blind believer on these issues. If you study the credible data sources on paranormal research it is not so easy to take a die hard position on either one of those extremes.

But, if you think Randi is a credible reference position in this research then I think you need to look deeper into his million dollar testing protocol. It is full of holes and no one with any credibility would subject themselves to that protocol.

[Overhaulz]

Doh, double post. Deleting this one. See post below.

[Overhaulz]

A decade of research into this stuff does not mean your conclusion are accurate. I could say the same about myself.

But, if you think Randi is a credible reference position in this research then I think you need to look deeper into his million dollar testing protocol. It is full of holes and no one with any credibility would subject themselves to that protocol.

You're right, just because I've studied it for so long doesn't mean I'm accurate. I never said I was 100% accurate either. A few posts up I simply stated that I'm definitely a skeptic and more of a non-believer, though. I only claim to have more knowledge about the subject than the average Joe that goes to psychic and is blown away by their cold reading abilities.

I'm curious as to what you think is flawed with Randi's testing? I've read his procedure many times, and would love to know why it's so bad. The person that claims they have powers designs the tests, and the protocols take away any loophole from the testing itself so that the claimant can't later go back and say, "well the test didn't work because I didn't do this or that."

If I'm missing something in his challenge please tell me. Again, I'm not flaming, and admit I'm human, so I can miss things just as much as the next guy can.

Also, I'm just curious as to if you believe in the supernatural? If you do, are there any people that you believe are legit that I can read about?

Off to the gym!

[ecto9]

in all honesty, messing with that stuff got me in trouble, all i can say, that's no joke if u really do it right. not sure though about the Ouija, i used to have ORIGINAL witchcraft books dated back to the 7th century worth crap load of money, but destroyd them after few HORRIFYING experiences.

What a story. How did you ever come across those old books bro.

Care to elaborate a bit on some of those "horrifying" experiences you had back in the day? Please so some of us can learn from them...

[ecto9]

Here is a link to Jame's Randi page. It's a great page about the paranormal, etc. Mr. Randi will pay one million dollars to anyone that can prove they have a 6th sense or an ability beyond that of a normal person.

No one has ever used a Ouija Board and won the million dollars. Hell, no one period has ever won the money. There is a reason for this. It's all crap. A ouija board is nothing more that a child's board game meant to invoke a sense of supernatural feeling for fun. It doesn't do anything.

Hey, maybe you can get a paranormal pyschic (which if they're real should try out for the million dollar challenge) to rid the spirit from your girl's house!

http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info-2.html

Concerning that in bold. This is because those that have those abilities are kept from those that don't. There is a separation, kinda like a gate of sorts.

Ppl into that sort of thing couldn't reveal it to others even if they wanted to. There is no way to prove it, and it cannot be revealed.

But those that know, know that they know. And others like them know. But to everybody else they're just playing.

[Overhaulz]

Concerning that in bold. This is because those that have those abilities are kept from those that don't. There is a separation, kinda like a gate of sorts.

Ppl into that sort of thing couldn't reveal it to others even if they wanted to. There is no way to prove it, and it cannot be revealed.

But those that know, know that they know. And others like them know. But to everybody else they're just playing.

Where in God's name did you read all of this? Sounds very cryptic to me. I'd love the name of the book or article as it sounds like an interesting read.

Edit: Do you mean anything about the government snatching up truly pyschic people and experimenting on them, etc.? I read a really interesting story about that years ago. It was fun, be it fiction or non-fiction, to think that the government abducted people and was able to further enhance their pyschic abilities or replicate those powers on an ordinary person. Heck, I'll go google some of that stuff now as I'm quite bored ;(

[IronReload04]

Where in God's name did you read all of this? Sounds very cryptic to me. I'd love the name of the book or article as it sounds like an interesting read.

Edit: Do you mean anything about the government snatching up truly pyschic people and experimenting on them, etc.? I read a really interesting story about that years ago. It was fun, be it fiction or non-fiction, to think that the government abducted people and was able to further enhance their pyschic abilities or replicate those powers on an ordinary person. Heck, I'll go google some of that stuff now as I'm quite bored ;(

overhaulz- Ever see the movie "premonition" with sandra bullock. I found it for dirt cheep at hollywood video pre-viewed.....I had never seen it before, so i just said what the hell I'll buy it..


In the features sections....They talk about premonitions and things of that nature. Sopposedly, the government used this guy for his premonitions, and they interview him on the features section. They would lead you to believe the government does this sort of thing all the time, and so did the soviets, who were more advanced than we were.

anywho, might be something to watch if you ever had a couple hours to kill. The movie was nothing special, actually it wasnt all that good....however, A B movie worth a watch.

[Overhaulz]

overhaulz- Ever see the movie "premonition" with sandra bullock. I found it for dirt cheep at hollywood video pre-viewed.....I had never seen it before, so i just said what the hell I'll buy it..

I literally had this movie downloaded a few weeks ago and accidentally deleted...doh! That sounds like an interesting flick for sure. I just read about how the government supposedly used people with stronger than normal psychic abilities to lead squads in Vietnam to minimize casualties. Interesting stuff even if just in theory.


I'll definitely download Premonition again though, thanks!

[IronReload04]

in the features, they talk exactly about that, using psychic abilities in vietnam, and they go a little more into it......its fun stuff

[skitz1]

Hold on, what specifically about a ouija board gives is a special power that allows spirits to communicate with you? It isn't made of anything special. It would be just as feasible to just walk into a room and ask a spirit to topple a glass over as it would be for it to move a pointer. Yet funnily enough this doesn't seem to happen.

[IronReload04]

Hold on, what specifically about a ouija board gives is a special power that allows spirits to communicate with you? It isn't made of anything special. It would be just as feasible to just walk into a room and ask a spirit to topple a glass over as it would be for it to move a pointer. Yet funnily enough this doesn't seem to happen.

firstly, the weejy is an expression of permission


secondly,
Do you understand quantum mechanics? just because we dont understand why, is not proof that it is not true. That statement is not intended to defend the weejy. All I am saying is, if their is something that we do not quite understand at this point of time, that is not conclusive evidence that it is not true. just applying that idea here.

[IronReload04]

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...howtopic=18828

here guys....read the very second post. Now I know you have to take other peoples stories with a grain of salt, and be skeptical......but what if....what if she is telling the truth. Because that story is creepy as hell

[IronReload04]

here is a post I just copied and pasted from the thrid or 4th page





have a ouija board experience well its my mums actually, she's very intune with the spirt world, anyhow
a few of mums friends including 2 of her sister inlaws
decided to try out the board ( they'v used it on a few occasions and it always works with my mum) they made contact and began asking questions. My aunt in particular wanted to know when her first grandchid would be born, what sex it would be and how heavy,
the reply was...5 11 boy 8 2 at the time my mum was thinking of me, and guess what, Yes I gave birth to a son on the 5th of November weighing 8lb 2oz but thats not all, my cousin had a boy the following year on the
11th of May weighing 8lb 2oz and another cousin whos name is the same as mine, I'm Samantha he's Samual
(we had the same surname before I got married) his son was born on the 5th of November aswell same weight. Quite a coincidence don't you think!!!!!!!!
This is true , I can provide birth certificates :s04
One good thing my son thinks the fireworks on bonfire night are just for him. Bless Him