The Gay Baby Boom

[kfrost06]

so that doesn't mean he can't be edjucated and read about exactly what process is like.

Priceless^^^

[kfrost06]

I saw that in this thread some one made reference to sharing personal experiences. Ok so the father would not have gone through becoming a woman ... so that doesn't mean he can't be edjucated and read about exactly what process is like. I've never been an alcoholic but I know all the signs and emotional problems that go with it. So I should be able to understand and relate to an alcoholic on some level right? As a parent you will go through tons of random things that you just can't expect or prepare...I used drugs...skipped school... got expelled...went to college ... dropped out....got my first high paying job... all of which my parents never did. But they were there for it all...and they helped me through it great. So i guess what i'm saying is a parent can't count on there own personal experiences as the sole basis for their parenting skills.

So maybe Alcoholics Anonymous meetings should be run by non-alcoholics that read up on the subject then by actual recovered alcoholics.

[kfrost06]

Every child would do best if they were born to a mother and father (I think there is something to be gained from both sex, not just mother), to parents that are married, financially stable, love each other.

It never happens that way, girls get knocked up, people spit, have babies they don't want, do a shitty job, split custody, raise kids in bad neighborhoods, cigarette smoke, raise kids around drugs. A million ways str8 people f up a kid.

With gay men, were talking about a substantial outlay of cash, they really want that kid. I am yet to see a study were kids raised by gay parents are less likely to be happy. If they really want the baby and are going to put the effort into raising it, what's the problem? Not every household can be ideal.

It’s a myth that hard-to-place children would have no other option,” “Groups like Adopt America (1-800-246-1731 or [email protected]) have hundreds of married couples who are willing to take even HIV-positive children.

[kfrost06]

A mountain of social science, the world’s major religions, common sense and observation tell us that children have the best chance to thrive in married, mother-and-father-based families. Why not give kids the best possible chance at a normal, healthy family life instead of using them to make a cultural statement?”

[kfrost06]

From what I've read there is no evidence of gay parents raising a higher number of gay kids. I know a guy who had lesbian parents and he's straight. He's actually quite a womanizer.

Then you have not read up on the subject which comes as no surprise. Social science evidence agrees that the best environment for the well-being of children is a household with both a mother and a father. A homosexual environment, on the other hand, can model homosexual behavior to children. In a study published in the January 1996 issue of Developmental Psychology, London researchers Susan Golombok and Fiona Tasker found that children raised by a homosexual parent were much more likely to experiment with homosexual behavior themselves. Based on their findings, Golombok and Tasker acknowledge that “by creating a climate of acceptance or rejection of homosexuality within the family, parents may have some impact on their children’s sexual experimentation as heterosexual, lesbian or gay.” The state’s interest in protecting children should continue prohibiting homosexual couples from adopting children. Although gay advocates say that some children will be “languishing in foster homes,” if willing, any homosexual could apply to adopt these hard-to-place children. This is because single persons — including a homosexual — can already qualify to be an adoptive parent (this is already occurring, primarily in the San Francisco and Los Angeles areas). Therefore, the push for homosexual couples to jointly adopt children is actually a back-door strategy to gain the rights and benefits of homosexual “marriage.” In addition, unmarried heterosexual couples living together should not be allowed to adopt because how can they commit their lives to a child when they refuse to commit to each other in marriage? California needs to continue the current policy where children are adopted by married couples first, and second by singles whom case workers judge to have a healthy home.

[kfrost06]

Stability is the key to raising an emotionally and mentally healthy child; unmarried and homosexual partners simply cannot provide the stability that married heterosexual couples can give. "Children need a role model, both male and female. Every child has the right to both a mother and a father,". Homosexual activists put their personal desires above the rights of these children to have a chance at a normal family life with a father and mother.

[Carlos_E]

In a study published in the January 1996 issue of Developmental Psychology, London researchers Susan Golombok and Fiona Tasker found that children raised by a homosexual parent were much more likely to experiment with homosexual behavior themselves.

Experimenting doesn't make you gay or straight. Being less judgemental of the subject will not change your sexual orientation.

You still did not prove that gay parents raise gay children.

[Carlos_E]

Stability is the key to raising an emotionally and mentally healthy child; unmarried and homosexual partners simply cannot provide the stability that married heterosexual couples can give.

Bull.

[SMCengineer]

Personally, I don't really see this as a federal issue. It should definitely be handled at the state level. With that said, I'm all for glb adoption. I see nothing wrong with giving thousands of foster kids a loving family even if it's not an "ideal" situation, as some would have you believe. In fact, I see many potential positive attributes to glb adoption. Economically speaking, it would save the state millions of dollars by not having support thousands of children without a family. I would also speculate that with increased adoption rates, incentive to have an abortion would decrease. All of this, while giving glb equal rights.

Interesting thought...what happens if we notice that the rate of homosexuality of these adopted children to gay couples is significantly higher than compared to children of heterosexual couples?

This is actually a good point. Although I don't see it as the parents influencing the childs sexuality, I could imagine that there would be a greater number of homosexual children to glb parents as compared to straight parents. I say this simply because with glb parents the social stigma would be all but removed from the childs upbringing and the child would be much less "ashamed" and confused about who he/she is.

In a study published in the January 1996 issue of Developmental Psychology, London researchers Susan Golombok and Fiona Tasker found that children raised by a homosexual parent were much more likely to experiment with homosexual behavior themselves. Based on their findings, Golombok and Tasker acknowledge that “by creating a climate of acceptance or rejection of homosexuality within the family, parents may have some impact on their children’s sexual experimentation as heterosexual, lesbian or gay.”

Can you explain to me how this effects your life and why we shouldn't be teaching acceptance?

[zimmy]

So maybe Alcoholics Anonymous meetings should be run by non-alcoholics that read up on the subject then by actual recovered alcoholics.

um... i realize you were trying to make a point with sarcasm? But you do realize that the meetings are led by medical professionals not actual alcoholics right?

[Kratos]

I.


I saw that in this thread some one made reference to sharing personal experiences. Ok so the father would not have gone through becoming a woman ... so that doesn't mean he can't be edjucated and read about exactly what process is like. .

I wouldn't worry about that. Most kids learn sex ed in school these days, not from mom and dad. Girls don't want to hear about their female parts from mom anyway. I am glad me and my dad never had the talk.

[kfrost06]

um... i realize you were trying to make a point with sarcasm? But you do realize that the meetings are led by medical professionals not actual alcoholics right?

WRONG! they are lead by recovering alcoholics, I can assure you, I am very well informed in this area. The whole movement was founded by an alcoholic and many meetings are closed meetings meaning for alcoholics only. Before you say anything you say your name and I am an alcoholic, then you speak. Your arguement backfired on you but thank you for an excellent example of why a father can not be a mother.

Hi, my name is Zimmy, I read about alcoholics so I will tell you guys what to do. Man, oh man, there are a lot of "old timers" in AA and you say that and you would be escorted off the premises very fast.

[kfrost06]

A father that helps his daughter shop for her first bra? insert a tampoon? I don't care if you read a book on it or have a female friend that will "help" no one knows when the first peroid is going to be and it will be arkward, having daddies there will not help! Wake up and quit being so selfish, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, IT'S ABOUT THE CHILD!

[kfrost06]

I wouldn't worry about that. Most kids learn sex ed in school these days, not from mom and dad. Girls don't want to hear about their female parts from mom anyway. I am glad me and my dad never had the talk.

Believe it or not, some parents are so invovled in raising their children, they prefer to install their own morals rather then having the state do it.

[Kratos]

Believe it or not, some parents are so invovled in raising their children, they prefer to install their own morals rather then having the state do it.

What do morals have to do with biology?

[cslade305]

I'll throw my experience in - I have two friends that are a gay couple. They have now been together over 25years. They have adopted twice, both are girls. Each time the birth mother actually chose them over hetrosexual couples. Interesting huh. Anyway, the girls are 14 and 12. They are incredibly well adjusted, smart, stable and loved beyond measure. They have female cousins, aunts and female family friends who are a part of their lives. They know they are adopted now that they are older. I don't think you could convince either one of them they would have been better off than with anyone other than their Dad and Papa. I think stability and love can trump a lot of hardships in a kids life. If a child grows up knowing he/she is loved, nutured, supported and encourged - they can learn that they define who they are not others. Wouldn't it be great if we all could learn at an early age not to worry about what other people think. The things we could achive could be incredible. Anyway, my friends may not be the norm, but they are an example that it can work very successfully.

[Carlos_E]

A father that helps his daughter shop for her first bra? insert a tampoon? I don't care if you read a book on it or have a female friend that will "help" no one knows when the first peroid is going to be and it will be arkward, having daddies there will not help! Wake up and quit being so selfish, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, IT'S ABOUT THE CHILD!

Then you should start your own personal campaign to remove all female children raised by single fathers. You're ridiculous!

[Kratos]

A father that helps his daughter shop for her first bra? insert a tampoon? I don't care if you read a book on it or have a female friend that will "help" no one knows when the first peroid is going to be and it will be arkward, having daddies there will not help! Wake up and quit being so selfish, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, IT'S ABOUT THE CHILD!

Two girls in my middle school leaked period blood all over their desk in school. They had mom's. I know one girl who had a similar problem wearing a white bathing suit at the beach.

School teaches about the feminine products and how to use them, dad just has to go to the store with her and pay, not a big deal.

First bra, not that tough. She'll develop her own taste quickly. My last gf's mother was totally involved. Lets just say the underwear her mom bought fell under the granny panty catagory in high school. She got made fun of in class for it. While I was dating her so only wore sexy underwear as a result.

[Kratos]

Until I see studies saying the kids are worse off, I'm not going to concern myself with what other people are doing.

[kfrost06]

What do morals have to do with biology?

oh the irony, you argue for 2 guys having kids and then talk about the biology, can't have it both ways. As for sex ed., in Canada the age of consent is 14! Some people, heavens forbid I say people with morals, do not want their biologically able daughters prograting at that age even if it's taught by the state run schools that it's o.k. In CO teaching abstinence to students in sex education is BANNED! It's not the job of the state but the parents to decide what is best for the child. The state's version changes depending on who's in office.

[kfrost06]

A family which incorporates into itself little of the past and, of that which it does incorporate, little of high quality, deadens its offspring; it leaves them with a scanty set of beliefs...the offspring are left to define their own standards; this means the acceptance of the norms of their most imposing coevals.

When the school tries to substitute for the family as the shaper of personal values, it weakens the authority of the family. If the school weakens the family, it will contribute more to the increase of venereal disease and unwedded motherhood among teenagers.

[Kratos]

If I had to listen to my dad talk about errections and seemen, I'd be damaged for life. The sex ed I had had little to do with morals. I do think the parents should own that resposibility.

[kfrost06]

Until I see studies saying the kids are worse off, I'm not going to concern myself with what other people are doing.

Do you need to see evidence that throwing a kid over the cliff is detremental before you deam it wrong? How about using common sense and let's not treat kids as guniea pigs for a social experiment. My God, suppose we try new drugs on kids till we find out if they work or not, well unless we KNOW it's bad for them then why not?

Again, children are not guninea pigs

[wantmoremass]

Then you should start your own personal campaign to remove all female children raised by single fathers. You're ridiculous!

Exactly, or how about single mothers raising sons - I'm sure a woman couldn't read enough to be educated to explain masturbation, or erections to a boy.

[kfrost06]

Exactly, or how about single mothers raising sons - I'm sure a woman couldn't read enough to be educated to explain masturbation, or erections to a boy.

I think a single mother has had some experience with erections, hence her new title, mother. Besides, the vast majority of single mothers are mothers to their biological child as designed by nature. Want to cry about 2 guys not being able to have a baby, take it up with either God or mother nature(thats mother nature, not 2 daddies nature).

[Kratos]

Do you need to see evidence that throwing a kid over the cliff is detremental before you deam it wrong? How about using common sense and let's not treat kids as guniea pigs for a social experiment. My God, suppose we try new drugs on kids till we find out if they work or not, well unless we KNOW it's bad for them then why not?

Again, children are not guninea pigs

Let's talk about what there are studies for...More single parents of low education producing children. I'd rather see an educated gay couple, I think that kid has more of a chance. How does this effect your life and why is it important to you? You don't want the govt. in your family life, right?

[Peducho0113]

Great Article Carlos Thanks for Sharing with us

[Kratos]

What kind of example is it for a young man when his dad has 5 baby mamas'? Not your family, not your morals, not your llife.

[Carlos_E]

Until I see studies saying the kids are worse off, I'm not going to concern myself with what other people are doing.

They are worse off because kfrost06 says so!

[wantmoremass]

Wouldn't it be great if we all could learn at an early age not to worry about what other people think. The things we could achive could be incredible. Anyway, my friends may not be the norm, but they are an example that it can work very successfully.

I agree with you - if kids didn't grow up knowing any different, they wouldn't be pre-set with the judgments and prejudices of lots of people. My aunt and her partner have been together close to 30 years. My aunt had a son out of wedlock (and never heard from the father again) and met my other aunt and they've been together since and raised my cousin. He turned out straight , is married and is a junior lawyer. He's pretty well-balanced (besides being a sports nut) and has a very open-minded view of the world.

I think a parenting instinct is innate in people. I've seen straight folks that didn't want kids, and some that definitely shouldn't have had kids. Likewise, I know gay people who don't want kids, and some that have that same parenting instinct and desire to raise children. I don't think sexuality drives or precludes that need/desire.

[wantmoremass]

I think a single mother has had some experience with erections, hence her new title, mother. Besides, the vast majority of single mothers are mothers to their biological child as designed by nature. Want to cry about 2 guys not being able to have a baby, take it up with either God or mother nature(thats mother nature, not 2 daddies nature).

i wouldn't cry about 2 guys not being able to have a baby - because they can per the article at the top of the thread. there are lots of people that are willing to give them the opportunity to raise kids (open adoption moms, surrogates, adoption agencies, foster child services), at least where i live.

what about sterile women - should they not be able to adopt, being that nature decided they shouldn't have kids?

[SMCengineer]

Can you explain to me how this effects your life and why we shouldn't be teaching acceptance?

Kfrost, as a so called conservative, you should be asking yourself how this encroaches on your individual freedom.

[DSM4Life]

Let's talk about what there are studies for...More single parents of low education producing children. I'd rather see an educated gay couple, I think that kid has more of a chance. How does this effect your life and why is it important to you? You don't want the govt. in your family life, right?

Thank you !


kfrost06

Try reading a little bit on the subject before replying. Your replys are personal believes which i respect but don't try and push them off as facts because when you do it makes you sound.....dumb.

[T3/T4 GSR]

I would be all for this as being a fantastic idea if it wasn't for that fact that I see this as a potential threat to the childs well being on a social level in school. I truely feel that a homosexual couple could provide a loving and nurturing home for a child and raise them as good as anyone else. However, this child is now in a positon to be picked on badly as a child. These gay men and woman will have a child comming home from school crying everyday because of what was said about them and their parents. Unfortunately most of society doesn't share the view point that this is an acceptable practice especially at a young age. Many parents preach intolerance towards homosexuals and if there is 100 kids and 10 parents are like this they will spread this to their friends in school. Even if the other kids parents say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and to accept everyone most of them will follow their peers and bash on the kid. So I really wish the best to homosexual parents and I know THEY will do a good job but I don't know how well it will work for the children outside the home at a young age. I will be very intersted to see the statistics on the suicide rate of these kids 20 years from now and also those who commit acts of violence against class mates due to the teasing such as school shootings. I am sure suicide and shootings will be a vast minority btu it is still a tragic circumstance.

[Amorphic]

everyone should be more worried about socioeconomic status and lifestyle rather than sexuality of parents. low SES and social support are far more detrimental to children than having homosexual parents.

this argument is ridiculous.

[Carlos_E]

I would be all for this as being a fantastic idea if it wasn't for that fact that I see this as a potential threat to the childs well being on a social level in school. I truely feel that a homosexual couple could provide a loving and nurturing home for a child and raise them as good as anyone else. However, this child is now in a positon to be picked on badly as a child. These gay men and woman will have a child comming home from school crying everyday because of what was said about them and their parents. Unfortunately most of society doesn't share the view point that this is an acceptable practice especially at a young age. Many parents preach intolerance towards homosexuals and if there is 100 kids and 10 parents are like this they will spread this to their friends in school. Even if the other kids parents say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and to accept everyone most of them will follow their peers and bash on the kid. So I really wish the best to homosexual parents and I know THEY will do a good job but I don't know how well it will work for the children outside the home at a young age. I will be very intersted to see the statistics on the suicide rate of these kids 20 years from now and also those who commit acts of violence against class mates due to the teasing such as school shootings. I am sure suicide and shootings will be a vast minority btu it is still a tragic circumstance.

I grew up in an ALL WHITE town. I got teased, had the N word written on my locker so many times we lost count. It's no different. People pick on people because they are different. Should my parents have not had children because their kids were picked on for being a different color than everyone else in the area? Switch the word homosexual in your post for Black, White, Asain or Latino and it doesn't make sense.

[Coop77]

The argument that gay couples shouldn't be allowed to raise children because the child might get picked on at school.. is absurd. All kids get picked on at some point for some thing or another. What if somebody's name is Mr & Mrs Smallcock.. Should they not be allowed to have children because their kid might take some shit for his name?

[DeputyLoneWolf]

Choosing to be homosexual is a crime against Nature and God. TWO MEN CANNOT HAVE A BABY NATURALLY AND NEITHER CAN WOMEN!!! THIS IS FOR A REASON!!! HOLY CRAP WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE THIS AND STOP ONLY THINKING ABOUT THEMSELVES!?!?

DUH!!!

Wake up people, your sin and lust has blinded you. Period.

[godkilla]

Choosing to be homosexual is a crime against Nature and God. TWO MEN CANNOT HAVE A BABY NATURALLY AND NEITHER CAN WOMEN!!! THIS IS FOR A REASON!!! HOLY CRAP WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE THIS AND STOP ONLY THINKING ABOUT THEMSELVES!?!?

DUH!!!

Wake up people, your sin and lust has blinded you. Period.

and i thought my teasing arguement was weak.

[Amorphic]

Choosing to be homosexual is a crime against Nature and God. TWO MEN CANNOT HAVE A BABY NATURALLY AND NEITHER CAN WOMEN!!! THIS IS FOR A REASON!!! HOLY CRAP WHEN WILL PEOPLE REALIZE THIS AND STOP ONLY THINKING ABOUT THEMSELVES!?!?

DUH!!!

Wake up people, your sin and lust has blinded you. Period.

unbelievable. you're lucky all you got was a suspension for this.

pathetic.