Do you trust cops?

[5ifthCitizen]

cops dont get a dime from tickets they write. it all gets split between the city, county, state, dmv.

now if they go to court on a ticket that is being contested, then they make overtime.

the end

[NATE0406]

the end

haha.. most times cops go to court when they are on duty bro. so no they are not making overtime. you protesting some dumb ass charge that you are prolly guilty of and taking a cop off the street for a few hours thats about all that is happening. not only that but the mojority of cops are on salary.

[40plusnewbie]

cops dont get a dime from tickets they write. it all gets split between the city, county, state, dmv.

now if they go to court on a ticket that is being contested, then they make overtime.

Where does their salary come from? Do police departments have money trees inside them that they pick $100 bills from on payday to pay all the cops?

[sooners04]

Where does their salary come from? Do police departments have money trees inside them that they pick $100 bills from on payday to pay all the cops?

It's called taxes from the businesses in the city that pay for city/county employees which pays for fire departments, city roads dep etc.... and only $.11 of every dollar goes to ALL city employees, while $.51 goes to the schools. ALL the money from tickets goes to the schools in Nebraska except $2 that goes to the Law Enforcement Academy.

[40plusnewbie]

It's called taxes from the businesses in the city that pay for city/county employees which pays for fire departments, city roads dep etc.... and only $.11 of every dollar goes to ALL city employees, while $.51 goes to the schools. ALL the money from tickets goes to the schools in Nebraska except $2 that goes to the Law Enforcement Academy.

Is there a higher authority than the cops that also works for da gubament, and therefore also gets paid by da gubament that tells the cops or the cops bosses to bring in no less than x ammt of $ from tickets?

What would happen if the police department in your town and the 9 closest towns to you all of a sudden stopped turning in any traffic tickets? Do you think anyone would notice? Do you think anyone would be upset? Why?

Let me tell you why, tickets are a TAX. Gubament taxes or gubament doesn't exist. If a group of cops whose job it is in part to write tickets stop writing tickets for any length of time they will be punnished and eventually transferred or fired.

I don't care if the money from tickets goes into gubament box A and money from toll booths goes into money box B and money from gas tax goes into money box C...gubament works together and someone is gonna get chewed out if the police stop bringing in TAXES via TICKETS.

[MuscleSportMag]

now if they go to court on a ticket that is being contested, then they make overtime.

This is not accurate. In most cases, cops are not allowed to incur OT to go to traffic court and will actually have their shift changed or modified so that will not happen.

[Amorphic]

i respect the honest cops that are doing their job to protect us and keep us safe but i cant stand the ones that do it for the ego and power trip

[Bojangles69]

i respect the honest cops that are doing their job to protect us and keep us safe but i cant stand the ones that do it for the ego and power trip

I have to say Amo you summed it up exactly like I wanted to. Some are good and some are bad, not entirely much we can do about it.

[40plusnewbie]

i respect the honest cops that are doing their job to protect us and keep us safe but i cant stand the ones that do it for the ego and power trip

Now tell me what happens when the 'honest ones that are doing their job to protect us' do when they see one of their fellow officers kick and punch a handcuffed suspect that is not attacking them. Do they report to IA at 9:00AM the following morning to file a report? Or.......


So you can't really even trust the honest ones unless you are alone with them. They won't beat anyone when it is not necessary but they will keep their mouth shut when any other cop does it.

Nice system. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Citizen oversight committees for all police departments!

[paulzane]

Well it is just the same in the UK now-a-days. There is so much shit going on about petty crime and yobs, so the major stuff gets ignored. I could go on and on about what is happening here but I do not have all day. Just an example of the stupidity from today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-kill-him.html

Inspector = Lieutenant in US police

[Fat Guy]

I have mixed feelings about cops….
On one hand they are the thin blue line that keeps civilization civil. And this is the whole point of their job. On the other hand cops are a representation of the powers that be and have throughout history been used as oppressors of the underclass.

When I was young I thought it would be a cool job, but now that I am older and wiser I would not or could not do their job. I could not be objective in a child molestation case and I might accidentally hurt the suspect or in a domestic violence situation I would have a tough time staying cool calm and collected. Plain and simple being a cop is tough.

However, growing up in a poor neighborhood and seeing how cops harass poor people is ill to say the least. I seen kids being harassed just for walking down the street and doing nothing wrong but except for being the wrong color or spoke the wrong language and the cops treating them as convicts. I seen cops sit and wait in corners to pull people over and usually it is some poor guy who has the crappy looking car because he can not afford any better. I wonder if cops sit in the more affluent neighborhoods as much pulling over the really expensive cars and citing those people? I suppose they don’t unless it is driven by a minority or a kid.

My point here is that being a police officer has inherently oppressing qualities included in the job which is another reason why I would not make a good cop. I don’t view victimless crimes (prostitution, gambling, drug use, etc.) as crimes and think that they are crimes only to impose power of the cotemporary religious moral will and current political views which in essence just makes cops tools for the oligarchy that really runs the U.S.

There is a reason that police officers only need a limited education (high school diploma) to become officers. For a job like this you would think that you at least should have a bachelor’s degree for the complexity of the job but like the military law enforcement does not really want their people to think and analyze but to only follow and obey. Like the military it is hierarchy with only top down militant type management which in essence makes everyone in this organization a cog in an overall machine of political will.

In conclusion I agree that we need cops to maintain society at large and that is a hell of a tough job. I would not want to be one. In general I don’t think cops are ill in character but I think their job carries inherent natural oppressing features that affect generally the underclass and minorities and this is due to the power structure of the U.S. With this said I don’t think cops are very high up on the intellectual food chain and that it is done by design because in order to enforce political will there needs to be no criticism by the enforcers but just to obey resulting in them just being political tools.

Do I trust cops? I trust cops to take out the human garbage that trolls society. However when it comes to deep serious issues and policies I think cops are limited and generally act in a limited capacity. And you can bet your sweet a$$ they are going to be the first ones I call when I need help though…

[Amorphic]

I have mixed feelings about cops….
On one hand they are the thin blue line that keeps civilization civil. And this is the whole point of their job. On the other hand cops are a representation of the powers that be and have throughout history been used as oppressors of the underclass.

When I was young I thought it would be a cool job, but now that I am older and wiser I would not or could not do their job. I could not be objective in a child molestation case and I might accidentally hurt the suspect or in a domestic violence situation I would have a tough time staying cool calm and collected. Plain and simple being a cop is tough.

However, growing up in a poor neighborhood and seeing how cops harass poor people is ill to say the least. I seen kids being harassed just for walking down the street and doing nothing wrong but except for being the wrong color or spoke the wrong language and the cops treating them as convicts. I seen cops sit and wait in corners to pull people over and usually it is some poor guy who has the crappy looking car because he can not afford any better. I wonder if cops sit in the more affluent neighborhoods pulling over the really expensive cars and citing those people? I suppose they don’t unless it is driven by a minority or a kid.

My point here is that being a police officer has inherently oppressing qualities included in the job which is another reason why I would not make a good cop. I don’t view victimless crimes (prostitution, gambling, drug use, etc.) as crimes and think that they are crimes only to impose power of the cotemporary religious moral will and current political views which in essence just makes cops tools for the oligarchy that really runs the U.S.

There is a reason that police officers only need a limited education (high school diploma) to become officers. For a job like this you would think that you at least should have a bachelor’s degree for the complexity of the job but like the military law enforcement does not really want their people to think and analyze but to only follow and obey. Like the military it is hierarchy with only top down militant type management which in essence makes everyone in this organization a cog in an overall machine of political will.

In conclusion I agree that we need cops to maintain society at large and that is a hell of a tough job. I would not want to be one. In general I don’t think cops are ill in character but I think their job carries inherent natural oppressing features that affect generally the underclass and minorities and this is due to the power structure of the U.S. With this said I don’t think cops are very high up on the intellectual food chain and that it done by design because in order to enforce political will there needs to be no criticism by the enforcers but just to obey resulting in them just being political tools.

Do I trust cops? I trust cops to take out the human garbage that trolls society. However when it comes to deep serious issues and policies I think cops are limited and generally act in a limited capacity. And you can bet your sweet a$$ they are going to be the first ones I call when I need help though…

well said

[wascaptain5214]

cops are just people, some good, some bad. i worked along side with some, again some good, some bad. but do i trust cops.....no......i know way too many untrustworthy ones. the same ones that poke there ass every day, will bust a bro for doing the same thing.

[sooners04]

Your both right and wrong. Cops CAN get paid OT if they are off duty and the department is okay with it. Otherwise they get nothing if on duty and they can adjust their schedule accordingly.

[MuscleSportMag]

Your both right and wrong. Cops CAN get paid OT if they are off duty and the department is okay with it. Otherwise they get nothing if on duty and they can adjust their schedule accordingly.

Tell that to the NYPD.

[sooners04]

Tell that to the NYPD.

Like I said, if the department is okay with it. Im sure NYPD's budget can't handle THAT much overtime so they have to adjust. The union contract was agreed on that my department will pay for court time.

[sooners04]

ALL but two dollars goes to the school and it is against the law to make cops write tickets. I can't remember the last "ticket" I've written, but I can still make traffic stops. It's against the law to punish cops for not writing tickets.

[40plusnewbie]

ALL but two dollars goes to the school and it is against the law to make cops write tickets. I can't remember the last "ticket" I've written, but I can still make traffic stops. It's against the law to punish cops for not writing tickets.

That even makes me like cops LESS as a whole. I figured they HAD to do it. Now I learn they CHOOSE to do it.

Some kid going 90 on the highway, fine.
Someone going 45 in a residential area with lots of kids, fine.
But seat belt tickets and cell phone tickets and speeding tickets on the highway when people are going with the flow of traffic and it is by their CHOICE? They dont have to make any quota? Their boss never made reference to getting up the ticket numbers next month?

That is another KNOCK for cops in my book.

And like I said before, if cops jobs were simply kept to responding to reports of violence and to reports of property crime I doubt very many people would dislike them (only wife beaters and bank robbers, and thieves, and violent bullies).

In fact if cops were kept to the tasks of dealing with property crimes and crimes of violence everyone would LOVE them as they are rapid responders to life threatening situations, putting themselves in harms way to save a stranger and catch a villian. That makes them hero's.

But when they give teenagers shit for smoking grass and bark at drivers while giving tickets treating them like dogs, and are completely unapproachable on the street for casual chat and typically have a look about them like they are a prison guard on duty on one of the tears in a maximum security prison....they are acting like the general public is the enemy.

[sooners04]

When I pull someone over I am looking for more than just whatever the initial stop was for. Most cops I know are like this. They stop someone for speeding and look for warrants, suspended license odor of alcoholic beverage/drugs etc.... At least at my department there are few who write actual citations. As far as personalities go, most cops have NONE, so regardless if they are working or not, they are probably just unapproachable ALL the time.

[40plusnewbie]

When I pull someone over I am looking for more than just whatever the initial stop was for. Most cops I know are like this. They stop someone for speeding and look for warrants, suspended license odor of alcoholic beverage/drugs etc.... At least at my department there are few who write actual citations. As far as personalities go, most cops have NONE, so regardless if they are working or not, they are probably just unapproachable ALL the time.

So then your admitting that pulling people over is a SCAM to invade their privacy. That's another mark against them.
If they are swearving all over the road, or racing through a residential neighborhood, fine. But profiling or pulling people over for stupid crap, or worse...following them because in your opinion they are 'suspicious' and waiting until they make some minor infraction with traffic law that harms no one and using that as an excuse to invade their privacy, your original goal as soons as you seen them...is bad dude.

If someone looks suspicious run their plate. If it doesn't come back stolen or the owner isn't a felon, move the f on and leave us people alone.

[sooners04]

Pulling them over for speeding or ANY traffic violation is absolutely legal and fine. Im just saying Im not going to give someone a ticket for having a headlight out. I don't follow anyone, if they are committing a violation then Ill stop them. Even if I run their plate and they are a felon I don't care unless they are committing a traffic violation. Timothy McVey, the bomber from Oklahoma City years ago was caught because he had a taillight out, and 99% of the drunks I arrest are from stopping them doing the things you call stupid.

[40plusnewbie]

Pulling them over for speeding or ANY traffic violation is absolutely legal and fine. Im just saying Im not going to give someone a ticket for having a headlight out. I don't follow anyone, if they are committing a violation then Ill stop them. Even if I run their plate and they are a felon I don't care unless they are committing a traffic violation. Timothy McVey, the bomber from Oklahoma City years ago was caught because he had a taillight out, and 99% of the drunks I arrest are from stopping them doing the things you call stupid.

It might be legal, but not 'fine' in my book. Owning and beating slaves used to be legal. Legal does not make something right or good.

And rolling through a stop sign going 1 mph is not dangerous at all. If you have reason to believe they are intoxicated based on the way they are driving, as in they are driving unsteady/erratic then fine, but they don't have to drive like a scared 70yo lady to be a safe driver.

Im a very agressive driver. Don't speed much but drive agressively in a city known for agressive drivers. I have not caused an accident in over 20 years.

[40plusnewbie]

And again, I've been busting on cops quite a bit here. But keep in mind that I have had drugs planted on me and threatened to keep my mouth shut about it. I have been held in handcuffs (without offering ANY resistance) and beaten unconscious. I was not charged with a crime of violence or a property crime (and the sarge withdrew the drug charge).

Another time I was slammed to the pavement face first while cuffed and played 'waffle face with'. Then transferred to some other cop buddies of theirs so I was taken to Roxbury, MA and put in with the gang members back in the 80's when shit was bad in that area with gangs and murders, real bad. That was after they permanently disfigured me by smashing my face into the cage going 70 and slamming on the breaks. My charge? Disorderly conduct. I was drunk and talking loud on a street corner.

Another time during an interrogation a cop pretended to plant a pill bottle on me to see if he could agitate me. He pointed to the exit and dared me to run.

If cops were confined to responding to crimes of violence and property crimes (theft) EVERYONE would LOVE them. But no, they need to be in everyones business trying to toss cars all the time to find substances that 2 adults chose to exchange product for money.
And the drug war increased violence massively. Many cops killed, not because of class 1 and 2 drug sales, but because of class 1 and 2 drug sales UNDER PROHIBITION.

Tell me why I sould not listen to everything these cops, ex dea, narcotics officers, etc say about the failure of the drug war:

www.leap.cc

the video is free and about 1/2 way down the page on the right hand side.

[bd50]

And again, I've been busting on cops quite a bit here. But keep in mind that I have had drugs planted on me and threatened to keep my mouth shut about it. I have been held in handcuffs (without offering ANY resistance) and beaten unconscious. I was not charged with a crime of violence or a property crime (and the sarge withdrew the drug charge).

Another time I was slammed to the pavement face first while cuffed and played 'waffle face with'. Then transferred to some other cop buddies of theirs so I was taken to Roxbury, MA and put in with the gang members back in the 80's when shit was bad in that area with gangs and murders, real bad. That was after they permanently disfigured me by smashing my face into the cage going 70 and slamming on the breaks. My charge? Disorderly conduct. I was drunk and talking loud on a street corner.

Another time during an interrogation a cop pretended to plant a pill bottle on me to see if he could agitate me. He pointed to the exit and dared me to run.

If cops were confined to responding to crimes of violence and property crimes (theft) EVERYONE would LOVE them. But no, they need to be in everyones business trying to toss cars all the time to find substances that 2 adults chose to exchange product for money.
And the drug war increased violence massively. Many cops killed, not because of class 1 and 2 drug sales, but because of class 1 and 2 drug sales UNDER PROHIBITION.

Tell me why I sould not listen to everything these cops, ex dea, narcotics officers, etc say about the failure of the drug war:

www.leap.cc

the video is free and about 1/2 way down the page on the right hand side.

ok bro, so u were fukked up by a few bad/dirty cops,,, get over it, it's happened to a few of us in different ways.. sue the city/police dept if you can. not all cops are dirty like that. if they were to get caught, they DO GET JAIL TIME, trust me.

i had a bad surgeon scar up my stomach during what should have been a simple "out-patient" procedure. sooo does that mean i will never trust any doctor, or seek medical attention when my family or i need to??

we're beating a dead horse here,, THERE ARE GOOD COPS AND THERE ARE BAD COPS!! THERE ARE GOOD DOCS AND BAD DOCS!! THERE ARE GOOD LAWYERS AND BAD LAWYERS!! THERE ARE GOOD WOMEN AND THERE ARE WHORES!!

[40plusnewbie]

i had a bad surgeon scar up my stomach during what should have been a simple "out-patient" procedure. sooo does that mean i will never trust any doctor, or seek medical attention when my family or i need to??

There is no 'hospital wall of silence' where your reports would be altered saying you refused to submit to anestisia and started attacking a nurse and were injured as a result of that, NOT bad surgery. And when interviewd the dozen or so at the hospital who knew the dr screwed up would not lie their asses off, disregarding your rights even though you were the victim, as a matter of routine they way all cops do.

Citizen review boards for ALL police departments!

[sooners04]

Well if I can take a drunk driver off the road just because he ran through a stop sign then I might have just saved a life. Maybe you don't like the reason I stopped him/her but I got a drunk off the road. Not every drunk swerves or drives erratic, I've never arrested someone because they were swerving or driving erratically.

[Lemonada8]

I just have no reason to not trust cops....

[MuscleScience]

I dont mind cops at all, they are not where the hypocrisy is. It is in our policies as a whole. I was watching real vice cops or some show on SPIKE TV. I was watching them spend my tax dollars on busting a small time petty criminal for selling his prescription drugs. He is looking at a manditory 25 years in prison. Now you cant tell me that after 25 years in jail he will be better for society and rehabilitated. That is hypocrisy at its finest.

[40plusnewbie]

I dont mind cops at all, they are not where the hypocrisy is. It is in our policies as a whole. I was watching real vice cops or some show on SPIKE TV. I was watching them spend my tax dollars on busting a small time petty criminal for selling his prescription drugs. He is looking at a manditory 25 years in prison. Now you cant tell me that after 25 years in jail he will be better for society and rehabilitated. That is hypocrisy at its finest.

If your smart enough to know this I would hope that cops would be as well. Looks like a clear case where they should have overlooked it to me.

btw private prison industries have lobbiests who lobby congress for mandatory minimum sentences and increased time for all sorts of crime. They are for profit prisons so the more laws they can influence being passed that gets the most ppl in jail for the longest ammt of time is their goal as a prison corporation. That is where their profit comes from.

[Crest]

i got a speeding ticket the other day because there was a officer with a speed gun standing 500 meters up the road from a static speed camera, catching people acceleration up by a couple of miles per hour after the speed trap, what a ****ing rip off

[Crest]

its not so much the officers (in most cases) is the policies and other crap that they follow or get told to do that i dont trust

[Dukkit]

hell no. they are human just like everyone else. with their faults and such. no way. i dont trust anyone but my own mother. plain and simple.

[Diary of a Mad-man]

I dont have a record.

Cops are assholes throughout the entire courthouse when I go to Jury duty.

Cops are assholes every time I go to a football game (sober or not). Either in the stadium or from my parking spot to the front gates.

Cops are assholes when your mom has a seizure and breaks her nose falling on the back porch. They search under your bed for your father who is out of town, who may have beat her ass.

Cops are assholes when I am downtown or at the beach, minding my own business, telling me to "get the **** out of here" because its 2:00 am, and I am standing there waiting for my girlfriend to come out of the building.

Cops were assholes when my house caught on fire.

Cops are assholes just when I have to be within 2 ft of them at the gym.

Cops are definitely assholes when they pull you over, but the Razorback, Cubby, Five-O, nut hugger will tell you thats my fault because I was in the wrong for speeding on the interstate (cops speed through my neighborhood).

Cops are assholes



Is it there jobs to be assholes? Or is it just a coincidence? Should I trust an asshole? Nah.

[JiGGaMaN]

Off duty: they are just like you and i. On duty: complete piles of shit

I initially thought police were good guys and pretty normal on duty, however over time i found this not to be the case. I have been thrown against a wall for saying '**** you officer' by a policeman, even though i was referring to my friend who just got his officer card for the army and didnt even realize he was there. All the subsequent times they sit there and try and ask you questions so that you implicate yourself in a crime. I was charged with a lot of crap because my friend sung like a ****ing canary, only to get it thrown out by the crown attorney of all people. Apparently, they dont have to tell you that you have the right to remain silent until after you are arrested.

[40plusnewbie]

you have to look very close at a man or women who wants power over there fellow citizens
" they are traders among us".

+1 Well put.