McCain chooses Sarah Palin for VP

[DeputyLoneWolf]

I am sure there are plenty of girls that have had sex education classes and have gotten pegnant, anyone that steps up and tries to make this some kind of an issue is a fool and will only hurt Obama.

Exactly. Ahem Carlos...

[Ernst]

Seriously, who was not getting laid by seventeen? Leave the poor girl alone.

[BITTAPART2]

umm I think carlos is supporting Obama. palin would get a creamed out mug from me and thats about it, not my vote. But still cant wait until the Maxim comes out after her and the old bag lose the presidential race. damn that pic of her with the gun gave me wood QUICK like, cialis last night may have helped that. Bitta goes to rub one out

[Carlos_E]

TPM Election Central adds a few more bits like the fact that Palin "relied on an earmark system she now opposes", as well as supporting the Bridge to Nowhere before the funding was cut. Which, of course, means that when she said "I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that bridge to nowhere," she wasn't exactly telling the truth.

And besides all that, she was a Director of Ted Stevens' 527 corporation, and hired his former chief of staff as a lobbyist for Wasilla. (Question: why does such a small town need a lobbyist? "Of 149 incorporated places in Alaska, just six of them had paid registered lobbyists in 2002, including Wasilla, lobbying records show.")

Of these stories, Palin's past membership in the Alaskan Independence Party seems the most damaging to me. The Party's Introduction page has this quote from its founder:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
Its goal has its own separate page:

"The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, that Alaskans achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, and promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences."

Here's its platform, and here are its statements on issues. Among its positions are the reclamation of all federal land through homesteading, the abolition of all property taxes, the prohibition of all bureaucratic regulations not expressly passed by the legislature, "the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts," and a host of other things. But their main goal is the vote on independence mentioned above, which should be "a true plebecite according to international law, only legal Alaskan citizens, it is in the language of the people, federal military and their dependants are not legal citizens and will not be allowed to vote in this plebescite." (So much for the right of military personnel to register to vote where they live, like the rest of us. Although since they don't spell out who counts as a "legal Alaskan citizen", maybe the rest of us wouldn't have the right to vote in the plebiscite either.)

On the Party's website, there's an article by Joe Vogler explaining what he thinks was wrong with the original vote by which Alaskans chose statehood. I got about halfway through it and became unable to read carefully (it's long, and not well-written.) If anyone makes it through, please feel free to correct the provisional opinion that follows. That said: as far as I can tell, this is one of those articles that voluble cranks write when they encounter something that sets them off. Documents are adduced, footnotes proliferate, there is every appearance of monstrous erudition, and yet the whole thing makes no sense. Reading it reminded me of the time I was at a survivalist convention (don't even ask), and someone tried to explain to me, in excruciating detail, why the entire income tax was illegitimate.

This is a nutty organization. It is, moreover, an organization whose founder took his views, and the Party's, to imply that he was not an American.

The McCain campaign has been more than willing to question Obama's patriotism on the basis of nothing at all. Yet when asked about Sarah Palin's past membership in a secessionist party, "a McCain spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment."

[DeputyLoneWolf]

TPM Election Central adds a few more bits like the fact that Palin "relied on an earmark system she now opposes", as well as supporting the Bridge to Nowhere before the funding was cut. Which, of course, means that when she said "I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that bridge to nowhere," she wasn't exactly telling the truth.

And besides all that, she was a Director of Ted Stevens' 527 corporation, and hired his former chief of staff as a lobbyist for Wasilla. (Question: why does such a small town need a lobbyist? "Of 149 incorporated places in Alaska, just six of them had paid registered lobbyists in 2002, including Wasilla, lobbying records show.")

Of these stories, Palin's past membership in the Alaskan Independence Party seems the most damaging to me. The Party's Introduction page has this quote from its founder:

"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
Its goal has its own separate page:

"The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.

The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, that Alaskans achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, and promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences."

Here's its platform, and here are its statements on issues. Among its positions are the reclamation of all federal land through homesteading, the abolition of all property taxes, the prohibition of all bureaucratic regulations not expressly passed by the legislature, "the right of jurors to judge the law as well as the facts," and a host of other things. But their main goal is the vote on independence mentioned above, which should be "a true plebecite according to international law, only legal Alaskan citizens, it is in the language of the people, federal military and their dependants are not legal citizens and will not be allowed to vote in this plebescite." (So much for the right of military personnel to register to vote where they live, like the rest of us. Although since they don't spell out who counts as a "legal Alaskan citizen", maybe the rest of us wouldn't have the right to vote in the plebiscite either.)

On the Party's website, there's an article by Joe Vogler explaining what he thinks was wrong with the original vote by which Alaskans chose statehood. I got about halfway through it and became unable to read carefully (it's long, and not well-written.) If anyone makes it through, please feel free to correct the provisional opinion that follows. That said: as far as I can tell, this is one of those articles that voluble cranks write when they encounter something that sets them off. Documents are adduced, footnotes proliferate, there is every appearance of monstrous erudition, and yet the whole thing makes no sense. Reading it reminded me of the time I was at a survivalist convention (don't even ask), and someone tried to explain to me, in excruciating detail, why the entire income tax was illegitimate.

This is a nutty organization. It is, moreover, an organization whose founder took his views, and the Party's, to imply that he was not an American.

The McCain campaign has been more than willing to question Obama's patriotism on the basis of nothing at all. Yet when asked about Sarah Palin's past membership in a secessionist party, "a McCain spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment."

^^Lol "Mr. Cut and Paste" strikes again.

[39+1]

I always vote for the best looking girl that way i dont get disappointed

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Palin is in no way, ready to run this country

[Dizz28]

Mccain just gave the presidency to Obama. No matter who you support, you have to agree on that. All Mccain has had to say about obama is ho he is inexperienced to run the country but yet he picks someone as his VP (who very well might have to take office soon...) that has much much less experience poilitically and leadership wise.

This was political pandering at it's peak

[39+1]

Who ever is the best looking is who you should vote for.

[BUYLONGTERM]

I have always been a die hard republican. After dealing with BUSH for the last 8 years and listening to Obama, I thought for thet first time in my life I would vote Democrat. But, after hearing McCain's speech last night, I am going vote for him. I look at it this way. He is NOT BUSH. He has MUCH more experience than OBAMA. I truly believe he cares about America. He is MUCH more of a leader than OBAMA. And I don't want to hear the crap about our economy right now. Who does everyone think runs congress?

[Kingweb50]

Who does everyone think runs congress?

With as many liberals in both the house and senate right now even if McCain would veto a bill they have enough people to override it. Thats a scary situation.

[BgMc31]

I have always been a die hard republican. After dealing with BUSH for the last 8 years and listening to Obama, I thought for thet first time in my life I would vote Democrat. But, after hearing McCain's speech last night, I am going vote for him. I look at it this way. He is NOT BUSH. He has MUCH more experience than OBAMA. I truly believe he cares about America. He is MUCH more of a leader than OBAMA. And I don't want to hear the crap about our economy right now. Who does everyone think runs congress?

1st let me preface this by saying I think Palin gave an excellent speech the other day. Even though I'm an Obama supporter I hae to give her credit. McCain, however, did a horrible job, IMO. He seemed lost and fustrated at times (some due to the protesters distractions). The crowd's perceived excitement seemed forced to me.

As far as congress is concerned, The Dems only have true control of the House. In the senate, its a one person advantage, not nearly enough to pass any legistation in their favor. And lastly, Bush vetoes every democratic proposal that crosses his desk and without the overwhelming majority to overcome that, congress' is spinning its wheels and nothing gets done. So yes look at the economy, McCain is Bush! I'm tired of hearing about him being a POW. That's all he talks about and basis his qualifactions soley based on that.

[Kingweb50]

Its easy to run as a liberal they say we will give you this we will give you that dont bother working for it even though it will cost more money then we could possibly have to spend. This is a dumb saying but didnt jesus say something like is it better for me to give you a fish or teach you how to fish.

[BgMc31]

Its easy to run as a liberal they say we will give you this we will give you that dont bother working for it even though it will cost more money then we could possibly have to spend. This is a dumb saying but didnt jesus say something like is it better for me to give you a fish or teach you how to fish.

That's a typical bullshit conservative argument! Making social services available is different from giving handouts and not expecting to people to work. Seems to me during the last Democratic administration this country had one of the lowest unemployment rates in history. If giving someone a handout is the same as giving people jobs then only a fool would be opposed to that.

[FallenWyvern]

That's a typical bullshit conservative argument! Making social services available is different from giving handouts and not expecting to people to work. Seems to me during the last Democratic administration this country had one of the lowest unemployment rates in history. If giving someone a handout is the same as giving people jobs then only a fool would be opposed to that.

Politicians don't/can't help the economy. They can only get in the way.

I am not sure which is worse though, socialist handouts or a very expensive war. Pretty sure the war is.

[BITTAPART2]

I have always been a die hard republican. After dealing with BUSH for the last 8 years and listening to Obama, I thought for thet first time in my life I would vote Democrat. But, after hearing McCain's speech last night, I am going vote for him. I look at it this way. He is NOT BUSH. He has MUCH more experience than OBAMA. I truly believe he cares about America. He is MUCH more of a leader than OBAMA. And I don't want to hear the crap about our economy right now. Who does everyone think runs congress?

Oh I swore you were going to say you fell asleep.

[39+1]

Dont confuse yourself or deny your feelings always vote for the best looking girl or man if you living the alternative lifestyle. Is that pkay with you carlos since you always make a fuss about how i champion the Non Homoerectus?

[Carlos_E]

Dont confuse yourself or deny your feelings always vote for the best looking girl or man if you living the alternative lifestyle. Is that pkay with you carlos since you always make a fuss about how i champion the Non Homoerectus?

Here I go again responding to an idiot. So you're insinuating that I vote based on looks? Next time you try to make a point don't drop my name in it. I don't want my name associated with stupidity.

[eliteforce]

I see this troll DeputyLoneWolf is back with his idiotic rant over and over again, i think last time i checked this forum a month ago i read the same thing he posts over and over again..

"Obama-racist church, racist chrch, racist church, hes a racist a racist, racist "
racism is policies, not a preacher that uses fiery politically incorrect rhetoric to complain about inequalities in american society.. In the 80s Obama and Wright worked on the issue of Aphartied South Africa-to put presure on that regime to end it's policies of discrimination, it's policies, not rhetoric..


The troopergate thing sounds pretty serious, the report comes out in early october..

IS there a california independence party, i think i love the idea of USA becoming a commonwealth, or more like the EU, with less central control.
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Republicans (Nazis): jihadists, wiretapping, terror, war, national id, torture

Democrats (Soviet Union): free healthcare, social security, war, welfare

Ron Paul (We The People): Uphold the constitution
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thats briliant

[Flagg]

Man I just cant stand Sarah Palin the more and more I read about her..seriously, how can you credit this woman with intelligence when she denies ev0lution and believes the Earth is a few thousand years old? Her disregard for the environment and wildlife in general makes me sick.

Ive read quite a few newspapers here and listened to quite a few correspondants, and noone seems to like this woman much, especially women themselves! Sadly, that's the UK...

[Voice of Reason]

[BITTAPART2]

BTW Palin isnt that hot, if you saw her out of the limelight she would just be some semi flabby, big skull havin mom with a bad accent. But its like when a teacher is Semi hot you automatically lend her the rights to hottness b/c shes a teacher and it helps you with your teacher fantasy.

[IronReload04]

John McCain has chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin (a 44 year-old female) as his running mate according to a senior campaign official. What are your thoughts on this?

"she fought corruption in alaska"