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I don't know what you are talking about. We don't believe that Prophet Muhammad [s] did it in his sleep. We believe he was awake, and that it was a miracle of God. It is considered a miracle.Originally Posted by Kratos
You can mock it all you want, but I don't see how it is any less believable than Prophet Jesus [as] walking on water. I would suggest religious tolerance, and mutual respect, God-Willing.
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Absolutely false.
Did you know that Muslims ruled Egypt and Palestine/Jordan/Syria for hundreds of years, and that the Muslims never were a majority in said countries for 500-700 years? In other words, it took 500 and 700 years (respectively) under Islamic rule for Muslims to form a majority (50%) in said areas. Had Muslims wanted to, they could have put everyone to the sword and mass-converted everyone. That is what the Christians did in Spain. You will notice that there was no Muslim spared after that. It was a quick mass conversion.
On the other hand, the Christians remained a MAJORITY in Eygpt/Syria/Jordan/Palestine for 500-700 years. It was only through a very slow process that conversion took place. It was not at all by the sword.
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Infact you are very correct Kratos,
I dont know about jews, but the way muslims treat
christians (not counting lebanon) in their muslim
countrys are HORRIBLE.
Offcourse buff will never confess to this
but what does he know? hes never been to
any of these countrys.
I sit and talk with arab friends everyday
who came from these countrys and the storys
they tell on how they and their familes were
treated just because they was christians
and not muslims makes my blood boil.
I went to thailand with my brother
and my girl was supposed to joins us
after 2 weeks. Her airplane landed
on a muslim country (i think it was the emirats?)
to refuel and such, she was supposed to be there
for some hours so she decided to go outside
some gates and immideatly a couple of arab
guards stopped her and told her that she
must cover her head of she wanted to go outside!
Offcourse my girl did not want to cover her head
and stayed inside. Can you IMAGINE the revolt
there whould be if the swedish airport guards
told some muslim women to take off her head
scarf??
Another friend of mine also told me he went to
one of these countrys, he had a very big christian
cross hanging outside his shirt, he was stopped and told
to remove the cross. offcoruse he was suprissed by this
and asked what? the guard told him to remove the cross
and he is very welcome to thier country, otherwise
he was to go back home with the first plane.
Oh and buff, im missing you in the "Obamas kenya ghost"
thread, were muslims are commiting Genocide on christians
hording up people in church (mostly women and children)
and then setting the church on fire to burn them alive
those who try to escape gets hacked to to bits by machetes.
Massmurder everyday, why? Because they are not muslims.
So were is your moral BS talk in that thread huh buff??
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Peace be unto you, NightWolf.
Welcome to the conversation.
I am talking about *historically*, not today.I acknowledge that persecution of Jews and Christians in Muslim lands has risen in the Muslim world today, and it is something that I believe we Muslims need to work on, and we are. My favorite Islamic priest does a lot of work to help ameliorate this situation.
The persecution of Jews and Christians in Islamic lands has ramped up due to political events, which has created hatred in the hearts. It is wrong, and unjustifiable.
Nonetheless, one cannot be one-sided on this issue. Muslims are abused under Jewish and Western rule, even today. I don't need to talk much about Israel since we all know what i am talking about. As for Western rule, the way Muslims are treated in Gitmo and other prisons speaks for itself.
The fact is that the people of all faiths need to come together and improve the way we treat each other. I do not at all deny the fault of Muslims. I believe that we really need to work hard to push for the rights of Non-Muslims living in Muslim lands, something which is in our religion, and something which historically Muslims upheld.
I do "confess" to it, and I *have* been to those countries.Offcourse buff will never confess to this
but what does he know? hes never been to
any of these countrys.
It makes my blood boil too, just like my blood boils when I hear how Muslims are treated in American prisons, how Qurans are treated by American soldiers, how American soldiers kill Muslims the world over, etc.I sit and talk with arab friends everyday
who came from these countrys and the storys
they tell on how they and their familes were
treated just because they was christians
and not muslims makes my blood boil.
This is a legitimate gripe you have. In fact, according to Islamic Law, Non-Muslims are not at all mandated to wear the headscarf. This would be imposing Islam on them, and there is no compulsion in religion. This is a matter which I am very outspoken about. In fact, the Second Caliph of Islam actively discouraged Non-Muslim women from wearing the headscarf, because he wanted it to be limited to Muslim women. (He didn't forbid it, but he discouraged it.)I went to thailand with my brother
and my girl was supposed to joins us
after 2 weeks. Her airplane landed
on a muslim country (i think it was the emirats?)
to refuel and such, she was supposed to be there
for some hours so she decided to go outside
some gates and immideatly a couple of arab
guards stopped her and told her that she
must cover her head of she wanted to go outside!
However, you have to understand that there is a huge backlash in Islamic lands nowadays, a reaction to colonialism and neo-colonialism. The Muslim world felt that the west was trying to impose its ways on them, and therefore there was this reactionary backlash. It's wrong, and I believe it must be righted. Nonetheless, it is wrong to demonize Muslims as a whole because of this.
In fact, many European countries have banned the headscarf in schools.Offcourse my girl did not want to cover her head
and stayed inside. Can you IMAGINE the revolt
there whould be if the swedish airport guards
told some muslim women to take off her head
scarf??
One guard. Wow. So many Americans have called me a "sand-n**ger." So what?Another friend of mine also told me he went to
one of these countrys, he had a very big christian
cross hanging outside his shirt, he was stopped and told
to remove the cross. offcoruse he was suprissed by this
and asked what? the guard told him to remove the cross
and he is very welcome to thier country, otherwise
he was to go back home with the first plane.
I did not visit your thread. I will now that you asked.Oh and buff, im missing you in the "Obamas kenya ghost"
thread, were muslims are commiting Genocide on christians
hording up people in church (mostly women and children)
and then setting the church on fire to burn them alive
those who try to escape gets hacked to to bits by machetes.
Massmurder everyday, why? Because they are not muslims.
So were is your moral BS talk in that thread huh buff??
More to come, God-Willing...
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Buff don't tell me the Ottomans were anything but opressive
The bottom line is the empire was too big to convert everyone to Muslim quickly.
Their answer was a set of rules called the kunun which provided laws dictating
Muslim/non-Muslim interactions.
Under the Ottomans, religions were free to practice their beliefs so long as they
acknowledged Muslim superiority and Islamic law/religious tax. Dhimmis were
legally sanctioned non-Muslim religions and were subject to the jiza tax.
"Fight those who do not believe...among those who have been given the Book, until they pay the jizya." (The Koran). Isn't that what you're doing all the time? Although you lack the athority to make me pay any tax.
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I will now post a very unbiased source that confirms how Muslims treated Jews historically. Again, this is not about today (since anti-Semitism has risen due to Israeli actions). This is historically I am talking about. I will cite the words of Rabbi Ted Falcon in "Judaism for Dummies". Those of you who know the "For Dummies" series know that it is a very neutral source. Keep in mind that Senator Joseph Lieberman praised this book:
"A concise and upbeat primer on the Jewish faith, Jewish history, and what it means to be a Jew."Ok, this is what Rabbi Falcon says of Jews under Islamic rule:
(Senator Liberman's review of "Judaism for Dummies"
In general, Jews tended to be better off in Islamic lands than Christian lands during the Middle Ages. Jews and Christians were both considered "Peoples of the Book"--worshiping the same God as Muslims and using holy scriptures--and were therefore protected under Islamic law. The Jewish focus on scholarship gained them admiration, and the Jews, who quickly learned to speak Arabic, were allowed to be a part of the robust intellectual life of the Islamic Empire...to the Jews, Islamic rule was actually a relief from the humiliating treatment they had gotten from the Christians...
Granted, not all Islamic leaders were the same. Whilst most of them were tolerant and ensured the security of life and property, every now and again there were massive forced conversions to Islam, property confiscation, and so on. However, as a whole, these persecutions were shorter in duration and less ferocious than had occurred, and were later to occur, in Christian lands.
(Judaism for Dummies, by Rabbi Ted Falcon, p.162)
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Turkey has as well and that's a Muslim country. It's a slipery slope to fundamentalism is what it comes down to. Next thing you know you're throwing rocks at women who don't cover up is what the MUSLIMS in Turkey have decided.
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poor example.
they were not detained in Gitmo and other prisons because of their religious beliefs, but because they were suspected terrorists.
true, they were persecuted religiously there...but it's doesn't equate to saying that Muslims are persecuted under Western rule.
and you still never answered my question above.
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I think you should go visit some of these counties Buff. Islam has been so bastardized it doesn't even resemble what I'm guessing you practice. There is nothing but hate for other religions and cultures. Only in Istanbul will you find the type of middle ground that you think exsits. I respect your passion, but you should really go see what you're fighting for.
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Have you ever studied history in a good university? Yes or no? I am sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about at all. Academia generally agrees that Ottoman rule was generally very tolerant. Here is what one historian writes:
Ottoman rule was tolerant of the 'Other's' ethnicity and religion--tolerance became both a religious concept and part of political practice. Istanbul's cosmopolitan human make-up testified to the pluralistic nature of the Empire as a whole. By 1893, only half of its population was Muslim, an indication of how welcoming the city was to other groups, including a large Jewish community made up of refugees from the Spanish Inquisition who had been welcomed to Istanbul at the beginning of the sixteenth century by Sultan Bayzeid II...
This attachment to a more multicultural past tells us how much the image of the Middle East has changed in the last hundred years. The current perception of the Middle East, common in the West, is far removed from the historical reality, as we have just outlined.
source: The Modern Middle East, by Ilan Pappe, p. 16
http://books.google.com/books?id=XI_...esult#PPA15,M1
Absurd. Explain why Jews were welcomed back into Muslim lands then?The bottom line is the empire was too big to convert everyone to Muslim quickly.
lol, the word "kunoon" means "rules" or "laws".Their answer was a set of rules called the kunun which provided laws dictating
Mann, you are all over the place now. As for the verse you took horribly out of context, I've already explained that thoroughly in my Ask a Muslim thread. Muslims are permitted only to fight those who fight us. In other words, we cannot be the aggressors. We can only be the defenders.Under the Ottomans, religions were free to practice their beliefs so long as they
acknowledged Muslim superiority and Islamic law/religious tax. Dhimmis were
legally sanctioned non-Muslim religions and were subject to the jiza tax.
"Fight those who do not believe...among those who have been given the Book, until they pay the jizya." (The Koran). Isn't that what you're doing all the time? Although you lack the athority to make me pay any tax.
As for the Jizyah, this was a light tax in order to support the state military, in lieu of military service (since Non-Muslims did not serve in the military). It was "protection money": Muslims promised to defend the Non-Muslims to the death, in exchange for a tax that would go to support the upkeep of said military. The Muslims were instructed to pay the Zakat, which is a much heavier tax than the Jizyah. The Non-Muslims were to pay the Jizyah, which was lighter. I will write more on this topic shortly. You have really drained me. I am going to go study and be back later, God-Willing.
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Really silly what you just said. Turkey is a fervently secularist country, ever since Ataturk came to power. In Turkey, the religious Muslims are heavily persecuted, and you are damn right that I am going to speak out against that.
Turkey is only a Muslim country insofar as the Soviet Union was a Christian one.
Anyways, the ban on the headscarf in Turkey has been lifted. In any case, persecution of religious Muslims in Turkey continues. I will post an Amnesty International report on this shortly. But of course that doesn't matter to America, since Turkey is a strategic ally in the region.
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Once again, you do not understand my views or the issues at hand. I acknowledge that the Muslim world is in a very bad position nowadays. I acknowledge that Non-Muslims are not being afforded their due rights. Read the excerpt from The Modern Middle East that I posted. Today is much different than when Muslims ruled themselves before colonialism and neo-colonialism. Historically, Muslims were very tolerant.
You do not understand the issues. You do not know that in Muslim lands nowadays, religious Muslims are heavily persecuted. You do not get the fact that we Muslims hate the leaders put over our heads and the borders imposed upon us by the colonialists that left our lands recently. We need to shake them off, and go back to how things were before the colonial enterprise in our lands.
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98% of the people in Turkey are Muslim
what do you classify as religous Muslims?
What are you even talking about?
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They rounded up innocent people in Afghanistan, including random taxi cab drivers and the like.
In any case, the West has nothing to boast about in this regard. America has killed many hundreds of thousands of Muslims. That to me is persecution.
Is not Iraq and Afghanistan under Western rule?true, they were persecuted religiously there...but it's doesn't equate to saying that Muslims are persecuted under Western rule.
Which is what? I am working rapid-fire here.and you still never answered my question above.
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Since the rise of Ataturk in the early 1900s, Turkey has been ruled by fervent non-religious non-practicing secularists. They are Muslim only ethnically, not religiously. In other words, the same way that some Jews are atheists but still call themselves Jewish atheists.
In any case, things are changing in Turkey, and Muslim parties have been becoming more popular, but the secular atheist army keeps a check on them and periodically crushes them.
Once again, you don't understand the issues.
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Alright guys, I'm off for now...gotta study!! I'm real behind now.
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Sure the prisoners at gitmo are treated with disrespect
and such, but remember its still a PRISON, and not just
any prison, its a place were the US puts people that
they consider a threat to their country, so i think its
unfair to compare my point with gitmo, rather come see
how much rights muslims have here in sweden.
Again you are comparing a maximum prisonIt makes my blood boil too, just like my blood boils when I hear how Muslims are treated in American prisons, how Qurans are treated by American soldiers, how American soldiers kill Muslims the world over, etc.
to a society. What im talking about is how
they (christians) are treated in a muslim
society. And as for the american soldiers
you have to remember, they do not kill
only muslims, they have been to war and killed
much more then just muslims.
Im sure that non muslims are not mandated to wear headscarfThis is a legitimate gripe you have. In fact, according to Islamic Law, Non-Muslims are not at all mandated to wear the headscarf. This would be imposing Islam on them, and there is no compulsion in religion. This is a matter which I am very outspoken about. In fact, the Second Caliph of Islam actively discouraged Non-Muslim women from wearing the headscarf, because he wanted it to be limited to Muslim women. (He didn't forbid it, but he discouraged it.)
according to your religion, BUT you have to understand that
not all of your fellow muslims (not even close) follows the
quran step by step as you do. Therefore when a muslim
society or a person does something in your religions
name (such as this with my girl) we blame the religion
because again, they are doing it in the name of the
religion. Had they not been "muslims" they whould
not have had that rule/law (im talking any random law)
Im not trying to demonize ALL muslims, my 3 best friendsNonetheless, it is wrong to demonize Muslims as a whole because of this
who are brothers are in fact muslims from the lebanon.
but they are VERY much unlike other muslims , they are
very just and fair people, and they consider me as their brother.
And they know my oponin about the majority of muslims.
Anyway im just trying to show the double standards
because around here muslims wants to be treated
equal and they are, but in there own society its
a whole other ball, and thats what im trying to say.
Besides french (whom i think have dumped that law now)In fact, many European countries have banned the headscarf in schools.
what other EU countrys has that rule??
Come on now, dont act stupid. You know very wellOne guard. Wow. So many Americans have called me a "sand-n**ger." So what?
that guard WAS acting on the rule of his country
and airport. What whould you rather a whole military
group show up and tell my friend to remove his cross?
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No, once again you don't understand the issues. It has nothing to do with being atheist. I can promise you they are quite religious in Turkey.
Secularism is the assertion that governmental practices or institutions should exist separately from religion and/or religious beliefs.
It's a good thing and keeps the religion from being forced on the people. I know about the rise of these "muslim" parties, and I urge you to see Turkey before they gain control.
How on earth does co-mingling of Church and state promote religious freedom?
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I am not responding to NightWolf's and Kratos's post just yet, since I am actually studying. I will reply to them shortly (in a few hours), God-Willing.
I just came back real fast to respond to Derek and make some quick general comments:
I think this thread has gone down a wrong turn. It has become an us vs them sort of argument, i.e. Team Islam vs Team Christianity. I don't believe in this clash to begin with. I think some of my posts may have come across this way, but I was just trying to give some perspective.
So to be clear on my stance, and in order to be fair and balanced, I will say this: America--which I consider a Christian majority country--has done many great things, which we should appreciate. This includes the religious freedoms that minority groups, including Muslims, enjoy. This is also true in many other European Christian countries of today.
I did not mean to imply otherwise, or make this an us vs them thread. I acknowledge the good in the "other", and I am not a biased partisan. I will be just, even towards adversaries in debate. This is a part of my creed and the proper way. I reject the clash of cultures and an us vs. them mentality. I call it how I see it, and try to be impartial. And all praise is due to God alone.
I will respond to the above two posts shortly, God-Willing. I just had to come back to make this post, since my heart was being bothered whilst I studied: I hate to see bigotry, or to encourage it, or to have any share of it in my heart! Let us eschew this gang mentality!
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this made me
Been in turkey 3 times, and in tunisa 1 time.
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no kidding, I laughed toothis made me
Been in turkey 3 times, and in tunisa 1 time.
I don't know what he's talking about.
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how many times are you going to tell me I don't understand and that I don't know this or that?
Don't like the leaders put over your heads? Somebody has to lead and who's voting them into power.
You need to shake off borders?
Maybe the borders aren't put where they should be but I doubt you really want an Muslim world free of borders. We got a population explosion going on here and Muslims are doing their fair share of populating. I'm sorry but the option of going back to the way things were isn't an option at all. Somehow the Muslim world needs to be subdivided by borders for any hope of order.
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This is good...
Now where is my popcorn
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[O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.] (Al-Ma’dah 5: 51)
Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers."
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Sura (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
Sura (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah..."
Sura (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand."
Sura (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"
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Sura (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world."
Sura (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."
Sura (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire."
Sura (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers"
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haha, well, whose considered the underdog on this one?
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Impossible to win against buff cause he picks and chooses what he answers then talks about what he feels like regardless of relivence.
I will correct myslef that the Ottomans were tolerant compared to Europe at the time...however they would not be so by today's standards and everything I said was true. Regardless it has little to do with modern day Muslim countries.
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Kratos lol, Buff will never give in..
"T-MOS WILL LIVE THROUGH US FOREVER"
no iraq and afganistan are not under western rule, we have given the countries back..
"T-MOS WILL LIVE THROUGH US FOREVER"
I have spent three years in Iraq and one year in afganistan and there is no such thing as peace even before we got there....
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From encyclopedia britanica buff
Islamic law made a distinction between two categories of non-Muslim subjects—pagans and dhimmis (“protected peoples,” or “peoples of the book”; i.e., those peoples who based their religious beliefs on sacred texts, such as Christians, Jews, and Zoroastrians). The Muslim rulers tolerated the dhimmis and allowed them to practice their religion. In return for protection and as a mark of their submission, the dhimmis were required to pay a special poll tax known as the jizya. The rate of taxation and methods of collection varied greatly from province to province and were greatly influenced by local pre-Islamic customs. In theory the tax money was to be used for charitable purposes and the payment of salaries and pensions. In practice, however, the revenues derived from the jizya were deposited in the private treasuries of the rulers. The Ottomans usually used the proceeds of the jizya to pay their military expenses.
A convert to Islam was, in theory, no longer required to pay the jizya. The Umayyad caliphs (661–750), however, faced with increasing financial difficulties, demanded the jizya from recent converts to Islam as well as from the dhimmis. This discrimination against converts was a cause of the Abū Muslim rebellion (747) in Khorāsān and helped to precipitate the downfall of the Umayyads.
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Killing their own people for the most retarded things like not wearing a head dress, and losing a soccer game...Yes their are a peacful people..
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lol That he does my friend, but I have faith in you.
Well, my money is on Kratos tagged team with NightWolf! haha
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So buff this is the type of religious freedom they should allow in Turkey?
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=2134
Saudi Christian convert arrested and jailed
Jeddah (AsiaNews) – A Saudi citizen converted to Christianity has been arrested and jailed. Emad Alaabadi was taken into custody last November 29, at Hofuf, a town in eastern Saudi Arabia, but the news was reported only a few days ago by the International Christian Concern (ICC), a Washington-based human rights group. AsiaNews local sources have confirmed the report, and also say that he "is not the only Saudi Christian in jail at the moment: there are also others".
According to news obtained by ICC, other Christians – at least 3 or 4 – appear to have been arrested along with Emad. The presence of Christians in Saudi prisons had also been confirmed by Brian O'Connor, in an interview with AsiaNews. Brian Savio O'Connor is a Protestant Indian who was deported from Saudi Arabia after being tortured and held in prison for "having preached Christianity". Upon his return to India, O'Connor told AsiaNews that "there are still many other Christians that need your help in Saudi prisons".
Last November 29, Amad was intercepted by the Muttawa, Saudi religion police, while he was driving his children home from school. The police escorted them home and then took Amad to the local prison. Later he was transferred to Jeddah, were he is currently imprisoned. On December 4, he managed to contact his mother, who lives in Australia, by telephone, to let her know what had happened and where he was. The mother reported that he sounded very weak: ICC said that the Muttawa agents probably tortured the Christian-faith Amad to reconvert him to Islam.
Alaabadi is 30 years old and has 4 children. He became Christian 2 years ago, but it is not known to what denomination he belongs.
Fundamentalist Wahhabi Islam is the only expression of religion allowed in Saudi Arabia. There is no religious freedom in the country, even if Saudi officials have been tolerating the private practice of other religions. However, the Saudi religion police, the Muttawa, continues to persecute Christians in their homes where they meet to pray.
The construction of churches or chapels is not allowed in the country. Muslims make up 93.7% of the Saudi population of 21.6 million people. Christians, who are almost entirely foreigners, account for 3.7% of the population. There are 800,000 Catholics. There are no exact figures on the number of Saudi Christians. (LF
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this made me
Been in turkey 3 times, and in tunisa 1 time.This laughing of yours truly shows that you do not know what you are talking about at all.
Just because you made cursory visits to Turkey does not mean you have suddenly become experts on the matter. Rather, knowledge comes through education. Reading, reading, reading. It takes active effort. Do not speak on issues which you are not learned about.
Practicing Muslims are heavily persecuted in such countries as Turkey, Egypt, etc. The fact that you do not know this shows your profound ignorance of the region, and your inability to appreciate nuances. The Muslim political parties (in both Turkey and Egypt) are banned, and their supporters languish in jails. Those men who have beards and those women who wear the headscarf are persecuted.
More to come, God-Willing.
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Kratos, you are overwhelming me with your rapid fire posts. By the time I reply to one post, you've already fired off another two. Sigh. Ok, here goes...
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