Anavar vs. Masteron

[powerliftmike]

Proviron not suppressive to HPTA is weird myth hard to explain. Im sure you can find a study that supports the claim that the authors couldnt find a reduction in FSH, LH, and GNRH but then again you can get a study for anything. does it honestly make sense to you that it wouldnt be suppressive? Its basically DHT, and DHT, although mildly, does have an inhibitory effect.

I have used proviron several times. I think alot of benefit people get from it is psychological especially during PCT. i found it to be somewhat effective in reducing bloat, but cannot really control estrogens as people claim. can it help wood a bit? yes, remember its basically DHT.

but all the stuff on sperm quality improvements, some miracle estrogen controller, anabolic benefit, no effect on HPTA is crap. and this SHBG binding stuff is way overrated as well.

[Juice Authority]

Proviron not suppressive to HPTA is weird myth hard to explain. Im sure you can find a study that supports the claim that the authors couldnt find a reduction in FSH, LH, and GNRH but then again you can get a study for anything. does it honestly make sense to you that it wouldnt be suppressive? Its basically DHT, and DHT, although mildly, does have an inhibitory effect.

I have used proviron several times. I think alot of benefit people get from it is psychological especially during PCT. i found it to be somewhat effective in reducing bloat, but cannot really control estrogens as people claim. can it help wood a bit? yes, remember its basically DHT.

but all the stuff on sperm quality improvements, some miracle estrogen controller, anabolic benefit, no effect on HPTA is crap. and this SHBG binding stuff is way overrated as well.

Much better post than the previous one (btw, the 'article' was actually a post by the good Doctor Scally at Meso, not something actually 'published'). What exactly is he saying in his 'post'??? Basically that Proviron is useless for infertility so how does that reinforce your point about Provion being 'useless'? Useless for what? As an infertility drug??? Is that why BBers use it???????

See link: http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/stero...134255495.html

And yes, I can point to studies that conclusively show proviron is not suppressive to HPTA even at high dosages (150mgs/ed). You'll find extracts of those very studies with references in most Proviron steroid profiles anyway.

I do however agree that it has little to no use as a 'fertility drug' but it that what we're talking about here? No, it isn't. Proviron is an androgen that doesn't convert to estrogen and actually reduces circulating estrogen (somewhat) in body. Clomid, HCG and HMG are much better drugs to increase sperm count and mobility during PCT but is that why most users take Proviron? Again, no it isn't.

The binding affinity to the SHBG is not over-rated imo, which does in fact enhance the anabolic effect of testosterone (also clinically proven). I use Proviron during PCT as a libido enhancer (morning wood), not to kickstart the HPTA. There are other more effective drugs for that, some of which I already mentioned, not least of which is Nolva, which, in my view, is much better than Clomid for restoring HPTA function without the sides common to Clomid (acne and the like).

[powerliftmike]

And yes, I can point to studies that conclusively show proviron is not suppressive to HPTA even at high dosages (150mgs/ed). You'll find extracts of those very studies with references in most Proviron steroid profiles anyway.

There are also studies showing halo to not be suppressive. The problem is non-aromatizing androgens like this have a small effect and can usually only be seen longer term. IMO its foolish to think that proviron can "one-up" the body and trick it. same goes for the 10mg dbol bridging theory and low dose halo.

if you believe proviron helps you by all means use it. but any small effect proviron can have there are better means. estrogen blocking/control: SERMs/AIs. Any hardening/cutting clen and "real" AAS. wood: cialis/viagra/levitra. and yes i know what you might be saying..but cialis etc. just cover up the problem...well proviron does the same thing.

[Juice Authority]

There are also studies showing halo to not be suppressive. The problem is non-aromatizing androgens like this have a small effect and can usually only be seen longer term. IMO its foolish to think that proviron can "one-up" the body and trick it. same goes for the 10mg dbol bridging theory and low dose halo.

if you believe proviron helps you by all means use it. but any small effect proviron can have there are better means. estrogen blocking/control: SERMs/AIs. Any hardening/cutting clen and "real" AAS. wood: cialis/viagra/levitra. and yes i know what you might be saying..but cialis etc. just cover up the problem...well proviron does the same thing.

Again, we're talking in circles. You keep wanting to go back to Proviron being an aide in PCT recovery. That is not why I take it. I take on-cycle and during PCT for different reasons. I take on-cycle so I can minimize the use of an AI and maximize the effect of Testosterone. Would I get the same result from Nolva or A-dex on-cycle? No, I would get the opposite effect since both SERMs/AIs inhibit gains whereas Proviron is additive to them. Also, since it has no suppressive effect on HPTA I run it during PCT to help with libido function AND to preserve the gains made on-cycle. I don’t believe in the dbol bridge theory either. A bridge is nothing more than a continuation of a cycle.

[*RAGE*]

Hey OP continue to ask your question, juice authority think all thread belong to him and what he has done, take the infromation you need and want and look past the rest....

[Juice Authority]

Hey OP continue to ask your question, juice authority think all thread belong to him and what he has done, take the infromation you need and want and look past the rest....

Get off my cock son. You've been riding it for a while and my dick is getting tired.

[*RAGE*]

Get off my cock son. You've been riding it for a while and my dick is getting tired.

that is not very nice.....you should stop while you are a head....

OP this thread is your please feel free to ask more question...

[powerliftmike]

to preserve the gains made on-cycle.

There is no way proviron can preserve gains. It has no anabolic benefit.

[tripmachine]

i like turtles

[millionairemurph]

I thought this thread was titled masteron vs anavar. Anyway, i have never used anavar, but the cost seems quite high to run it at the dose people i know have used it at with results, 100mg a day or more. I have however used masteron, at 700 mg a week, for 12 weeks. I like masteron because it is liver safe and can be run the entire length of the cycle. I did gain well with the use of it, i retained well too. I suspect next time i run a cutter I will include masteron at 700 a week for 12 weeks as it has strength, overall hardening and muscle retention benefits i believe are unmatched in var or winny because it can be ran longer. just my opinion though]

[Juice Authority]

There is no way proviron can preserve gains. It has no anabolic benefit.

How is that? It's androgenic with anabolic properties just like Masteron. Now to your point, the anabolic effect of it is considered too weak for 'muscle building purposes' unless of course it is used to combination with other AAS like Test. However, we're not talking about 'building' muscle mass, we're talking about 'preserving' gains.

[bjpennnn]

I thought this thread was titled masteron vs anavar. Anyway, i have never used anavar, but the cost seems quite high to run it at the dose people i know have used it at with results, 100mg a day or more. I have however used masteron, at 700 mg a week, for 12 weeks. I like masteron because it is liver safe and can be run the entire length of the cycle. I did gain well with the use of it, i retained well too. I suspect next time i run a cutter I will include masteron at 700 a week for 12 weeks as it has strength, overall hardening and muscle retention benefits i believe are unmatched in var or winny because it can be ran longer. just my opinion though]

why did you run such a high dose os mast? I am going to run 400mg a week. with your experiences do you feel like that is to low?

[marcmoran]

I thought this thread was titled masteron vs anavar. Anyway, i have never used anavar, but the cost seems quite high to run it at the dose people i know have used it at with results, 100mg a day or more. I have however used masteron, at 700 mg a week, for 12 weeks. I like masteron because it is liver safe and can be run the entire length of the cycle. I did gain well with the use of it, i retained well too. I suspect next time i run a cutter I will include masteron at 700 a week for 12 weeks as it has strength, overall hardening and muscle retention benefits i believe are unmatched in var or winny because it can be ran longer. just my opinion though]

how much did you lower your BF running 700mg/week?

[Rex9933]

both are great it seems

[gr8gear]

ran mast at 600mg per week (200mg EOD).........great results! I will definitely be using it again! I am including anavar in my next cycle, as I am very interested to see how it works.

[Rex9933]

ran mast at 600mg per week (200mg EOD).........great results! I will definitely be using it again! I am including anavar in my next cycle, as I am very interested to see how it works.

200mg/eod is 700mg per week bro (100mg ed)

[Tarheel]

Based on what I have read about masteron, you shouldnt need and AI because mast actually helps with estrogen removal...hence the name MASTeron ... GynocoMASTia just a tip

[Tarheel]

oops, sorry guys, I was responding to a post on the previous page...didnt try to stray from the original subject...

[JiGGaMaN]

im just giving masteron a try for the first time. i would take mast over var any day.

[Lean1038]

Get yourself some Masteron E and run it all 12 weeks alongside Test. It's great! Wrap it up with some Winny @ 50-60mg ED and you're looking good.

Var is worthless IMHO, ESPECICALLY for the money.

[Rex9933]

Get yourself some Masteron E and run it all 12 weeks alongside Test. It's great! Wrap it up with some Winny @ 50-60mg ED and you're looking good.

Var is worthless IMHO, ESPECICALLY for the money.

How much did you run var at?

[Lean1038]

How much did you run var at?

I started @ 80mg and bumped to 100mg for 60 days total. The gains were for the money.

H Drol blows Var out of the water for recomp and cost efficiency.

[Rex9933]

high dose var is supposed to be sickk i hear man. you sure it was legit?

[Lean1038]

high dose var is supposed to be sickk i hear man. you sure it was legit?

Absolutely... It was Peak Liquid Var, VERY reputable around here.

Don't get me wrong, I saw/felt benefits from it @ 80-100mg (As I ran it solo to see if I liked it) The strength was very good, vascularity and hardness were noticeable, but nothing half as good as Winny mg for mg.

Granted, that's just my own personal experience with it.

[derekkpapa1]

I don't think Rex is still wondering after 5 years.

[XxAndreaxX]

[RigPig]

I don't think Rex is still wondering after 5 years.

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[mrdude]

and add test prop and anavar

[Testicles]

Winny No Work Brover! - so sorry.

[Vash the Stampede]

Winny No Work Brover! - so sorry.

Let's bump a thread that started over 7 years ago, and add absolutely USELESS INFORMATION!

Great job brover, NOT!!!