DC Style Prep/Cycle Bulk Log!!!

[wukillabee]

Thats scary stuff man. Getting fake gear is one thing but when you get fake AI/SERM then its a whole different ball game. I pay a little more from AR but I know it works.

Yep, i have pharm grade everything for ai/serm, just pharm grade arimidex can get pricey when ur gyno prone like me and its a must to run it entire cycle. Pharm grade aromasin forgetaboutit! For those 2 ai i have to go the lab route, just thought id try this new one out. From past exp i dont order from AR anymore but thats just me.
Damn, started to get lower back pumps out of no where, not goin away either! Looks like ima have to start bustin out the taurine, dbol must be kickin in now. At least the negative sides are, no bloat yet though.

[wukillabee]

Felt good in the gym today, nothing crazy yet but still feel and look fuller. Shot right delt 1ml (100mg test ace) smooth. Didn't have time to do back thickness workout, had to make time for the grocery store instead.

Chest: Decline Hammer Strength
2 warm up sets
360x8, 360x2, 360x2

Shoulders: Smith Press Behind Neck
2 warm up sets
175x7, 175x3, 175x2

Triceps: Weighted Dips
2 warm up sets
90x4, 90x2, 90x2 (2 plates, don't count my body weight on this)

Back Width: Hammer Strength Pulldown
2 warm up sets
270x4, 270x2, 270x2

Back Thickness: T-Bar Rows
Didn't have time

Thats it so far, just a waiting game now for something to kick in.

[crazydayz]

Dc all the way! I've been doing Dc for 4 years now. Put on 40lbs the first 8 months on it (while on cycle for some of that time period)! Calves are a bitch training dc style. I notice you dont have any widow makers in your routine (on leg days) Or dead lifts for back thickness. You might wanna think about adding those to your split.

In my personal experiance, I found that if I keep my rep range between 15-20 RP on most of my compound movements and 20-30 on Bi's and forearms as well as any pressing movements with db's (for safety purposes) I've gotten great strength and mass gains.

I'd love to compare notes with you bro. Keep it up and beat that damn log book!

[crazydayz]

Sorry brother, I just saw you do do rack deads. Great lift!

[wukillabee]

Sorry brother, I just saw you do do rack deads. Great lift!

Yep, i personally feel rack deads much more in my back then traditional deads. I do stiff leg deads too.

[crazydayz]

What is your rep range on the straight leg deads like?

[wukillabee]

What is your rep range on the straight leg deads like?

Haha, we'll find out today bro! Walkin out the door to hit the gym, doin those today too.

[crazydayz]

I usually do 2 sets (aside from my warm ups) 10-12........... 6-9 (more if I can on both sets. Good luck today bro, crush it!

[ghettoboyd]

just found your log...... ill be watching too. good luck bro.

[crazydayz]

Sorry, thats the range I use for back thickness.

If you dont know already, the protocol for RDL's is gruesome. 6 reps, add 10lbs to each side (no rest), 6 reps, add 10lbs to each side (no rest), so on and so forth til you cant get 6 reps. I usually try to get 3-4 sets.

Not a lot of DCers do the RDL's unless they are very experienced as its extremely taxing and the risk of getting hurt is high. More power to you for doin them brother. I look forward to seeing how today went for you.

[wukillabee]

just found your log...... ill be watching too. good luck bro.

Thanks bro

[wukillabee]

Sorry, thats the range I use for back thickness.

If you dont know already, the protocol for RDL's is gruesome. 6 reps, add 10lbs to each side (no rest), 6 reps, add 10lbs to each side (no rest), so on and so forth til you cant get 6 reps. I usually try to get 3-4 sets.

Not a lot of DCers do the RDL's unless they are very experienced as its extremely taxing and the risk of getting hurt is high. More power to you for doin them brother. I look forward to seeing how today went for you.

yeah, i just started dc training so im far from trying all that right now. Im almost towards the end of my cycle of workouts, 3 different upper body days and 3 different lower body days. These first 2 cycles of workouts im just going to use to gauge where im at then start really killing the log book. By then everything should really be kicked in anyways so i should easily be able to kill the log book! Thats the plan anyway.

[wukillabee]

Strength is finally starting to go up, still looking nice and full, feeling a little more intensity in the gym. Shot right quad 1ml (100mg test ace). Hit a nerve on the first poke, had to go an inch higher and an inch out on the second poke for a smooth shot. Always important to insert the pin in slow, goin deep into a nerve will leave you sore as fu#k and possibly bruised for a few days!

Biceps: Ez-Bar Curls
2 warm up sets
115x4, 115x3, 115x2

Forearms: Pinwheel Curls
2 warm up sets
60x6, 60x6, 60x4

Calves: Calves on Leg Press
2 warm up sets
270x8, 270x6, 270x6

Hams: Siff Leg Deads (Don't think i did them right, no exercise for me)
2 warm up sets
275x6 (straight set)

Quads: Leg Press
3 warm up sets
540x8, 540x6, 540x4 (Knees are still killing me!)

On the stiff legs i feel it mostly in my lower back, hardly in my hams. Any pointers on how to do these correctly would be greatly appreciated. On the leg press my quads could have easily taken more weight but my knees just wouldn't allow it! I swear, that one run with winny really ****ed up my knees for good, never been the same since.

No cardio or abs today. Since i have weekends, tues, and thur, off from the gym im just going to do an hour cardio first thing in the morning on these days. Abs i will start doing 2-3 a week.

Noticing some testicular atrophy, maybe the test ace is finally starting to kick? I think so since im not really getting much dbol negative side effects like bad pumps, loss in appetite, crap like that. If anything my appetite is usually been up, just sometimes later in the day i have no appetite, kind of weird at times. Still, i know the dbol is legit because i noticed right away it started filling me out. Maybe the l-dex i got is legit and the .25mg eod is keeping the bloat away for now? Only time will tell.

[crazydayz]

As far as the RDL's go, are your legs completly locked out? If so, try putting a little bend in them.

Also, draw your belly button toward your spine and hold it there to maintain core stability.

Drop your weight some and find a range your comfortable working with. Also keep your shoulder blades retracted thru the whole lift, this will keep you from rounding your shoulders and back (also great for the traps since we dont directly hit traps with DC exercises, aside from deads).

As far as calves go, they're not rest/paused. Its 5 sec negative 15 sec stretch, so every 20 sec your doing a new rep. The number for reps on calves is generally 12 (3 min 40 sec), if you get more thats great. Its a straight set and its painful as hell. I had to drop the seated calve because it would crush my vastus medialus after the first 2 minutes.

Other than that everything looks great. Keep up the hard work and you will grow fast no doubt.

[Shurik]

Hey bro. What do you think about dbol so far? Is it worth it or not. I'm debating now if I should try it.

[wukillabee]

Hey bro. What do you think about dbol so far? Is it worth it or not. I'm debating now if I should try it.

Being one of the cheapest oral aas i know of, id say its worth it. Im likin it so far. Ive noticed some more size (im sure water though), some strength gains, some vascularity, thats about it so far. Negative sides, none really. My appetite is usually up for the most part, no more low back pumps, no headaches, no high bp.

[wukillabee]

Just wanted to pop in, no real updates yet. Just what i reported about the dbol, thats about it right now. Had a few cheat days these last few weeks, at least they helped push in extra cals and carbs for me. Going to start up the cardio this week coming up, took it easy this weekend. So far so good on everything, no complaints here.

[wukillabee]

Just wanted to pop in, no real updates yet. Just what i reported about the dbol, thats about it right now. Had a few cheat days these last few weeks, at least they helped push in extra cals and carbs for me. Going to start up the cardio this week coming up, took it easy this weekend. So far so good on everything, no complaints here.

Oh yeah, shot left quad 1.5ml today. I only had 1.5ml left of the test ace in the vial so said fu$k it and just shot the full 1.5ml, no biggie. Havent noticed too many if any test sides yet but i know from experience it takes a bit for test to kick in for me.
Like my first cycle of test enth, it took a good 5 weeks to really feel it. Test prop took me a good 2 almost 3 weeks to really feel it.

[wukillabee]

Today was the first id say of a workout feeling like im "On" something. Had great pumps in the gym, lifts all up, hard as a rock, felt good! People already complimenting and its only been 6lbs of water so far.

Pinned left tri 1.5ml (test and deca) and right tri 1ml (test ace). Tris and quads are my favorite spots to pin but always hit a nerve when i poke, sucks. Hit one bad on my left tri and tapped one on my right tri. Sucked because i always pin about 45min before i workout and my tris where already sore from the nerve. Hurt when doing close grip press and left one is a tad swollen from the nerve it feels like. Gonna start pinning now after my workouts so no more problems in the gym. Just started using 25g pins too, they feel much better then 23g pins!

Chest: Incline Smith Press
3 warm up sets
255x7, 255x3, 255x1 (up 5 reps)

Shoulders: Hammer Strength Press
2 warm up sets
160x6, 160x4, 160x3 (up 20lbs)

Triceps: Close Grip Smith
2 warm up sets
225x4, 225x2, 225x2 (down 1 rep)

Back Width: Front Pull Down
2 warm up sets
210x5, 210x4, 210x3 (up 15lbs)

Back Thickness: Rack Deads
3 warm up sets
335x6 (up 25lbs)

2 sets of abs and 2 sets of broom twists

Tomorrow is an off day but going to start up cardio first thing in the morning on the days i dont workout and fridays. Trying to gain as minimal amount of fat as possible but of course as much muscle mass as possible. Thats the goal anyways.

[Reed]

nice keep it up

[wukillabee]

nice keep it up

Thanks bro

[wukillabee]

Did 40min cardio first thing today. Feel good today, slight headache though not sure from what. Got plenty of sleep. Thats one thing about me, i always get a good 8hrs sleep ed! Maybe its my bd startin to go up a bit? Oh well, nothing a few tylenol cant solve.
Not much to report today. Crazy how its only day 1 of week 3, freakin 13 more weeks to go! This is gonna be a hell of a journey and it hasnt even kicked in yet! Savin my pennies, need more accutane running out already. My chest acne is totally gone now, just some spotting though from the acne and some spotting on my delts. Hope theyre not scars and tanning will help them go away or at least blend them in.
I hear deca is pretty bad for acne, reason why i need to stock up before this deca kicks in! Sucks since im prone to everything possible, gyno, acne, who knows what else! Can all be prevented, just more money i need to waste on things like accutane, arimidex, etc instead of more food!

[wukillabee]

Wow, today was the first day of feeling like i wanted to kill every single weight in the gym! Officially mark this day as my first day in the gym feeling "On" something fully, lovin it! Deca might be kickin in a tad too because thankfully i had little to no knee pains what so ever doing squats, huge plus for me here!

Biceps: Machine Preacher Curls
2 warm up sets
120x5, 120x3, 120x2 (Up 20lbs)

Forearms: Hammer Curls
2 warm up sets
60x5, 60x3, 60x2 (Up 10lbs)

Calves: Seated Calf Raises
2 warm up sets
180x5, 180x4, 180x3 (Up 20lbs)

Hams: Lying Leg Curls
2 warm up sets
150x5, 150x3, 150x2 (Up 20lbs)

Quads: Squats
3 warm up sets
255x8 (Up 2 reps)

In a rush today so no time for abs or anything else. Gonna shoot my left quad when i get out of the shower 1ml (100mg test ace). Still, no negative sides at all yet from this cycle.

Also, i started yesterday upping my l-dex dose to .5mg ed. Since im gyno prone and around id say 13-15%bf right now, i think its best to run .5mg l-dex ed just to be safe. I don't believe this will kill too much estro because even 1mg of pharm grade arimidex only kills about 70% estro in the body. Being this is liquid form and half that dose, id only assume it would kill have that amount at most which i think would be more ideal for my situation. Only time will tell!

[wukillabee]

As far as the RDL's go, are your legs completly locked out? If so, try putting a little bend in them.

Also, draw your belly button toward your spine and hold it there to maintain core stability.

Drop your weight some and find a range your comfortable working with. Also keep your shoulder blades retracted thru the whole lift, this will keep you from rounding your shoulders and back (also great for the traps since we dont directly hit traps with DC exercises, aside from deads).

As far as calves go, they're not rest/paused. Its 5 sec negative 15 sec stretch, so every 20 sec your doing a new rep. The number for reps on calves is generally 12 (3 min 40 sec), if you get more thats great. Its a straight set and its painful as hell. I had to drop the seated calve because it would crush my vastus medialus after the first 2 minutes.

Other than that everything looks great. Keep up the hard work and you will grow fast no doubt.

I totally forgot about that today doing calves. Was such in a hurry today i just did calves rest pause like everything else today. Will try to remember that for next time bro. Any other DC input you have is greatly appreciated, thanks!

[crazydayz]

For the most part everything your doing looks pretty good.

The only thing I would change is your rep ranges, especially on hams. 15-20 or 20-30 is what I would recommend for this muscle group. U dont wann pull or get a tear back there so the higher rep range will insure some safety ass well a promote size and growth.

Throw a widowmaker in after your quads. This is what makes DC training something that not everyone wants to do. Say you do Squats on this particular day, after your set and break (not rest/paused) pick a weight and try and do it 20-30 times (thats your rep range). If you get 30 easy keep going till you fail. If you dont get 30, thats fine, you'll get more reps next time around. Room to grow.

Back thickness is done with two sets (after warm ups).
1) 10-12 reps 2) 6-9 reps

I even do my abs rest/paused 20-30 reps. I never do abs on leg days, my core gets taxed enough over the course of my leg session.

I used 11-15 for most of my upperbody for two yrs and did pretty good with that. I now do 15-20 on most stuff and 20-30 with exercises that I use db's with (this is a safety concern when presssing heavy db's, thats the reason for the higher rep range).

Dc himself recomends doing bicepts in the 20-30 range. I would consider that if I were you, you dont wanna tear any beach muscles.

Keep it up bro, beat that damn log book!

I'll be checking in on you. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

[wukillabee]

Thanks bro, a lot of good info i didnt know. Gonna have to change the whole thing up now. I was planning on 6-8 total reps for all my lifts! Guess thats not a good idea huh? Gonna hate it having to drop the weight so i can rep more, but if it works in the end then so be it!

[crazydayz]

My stats were almost identical to yours when I started dc training. I thought I was strong before, boy was I wrong! My weights on lifts now compared to then are unbelievable.

Make sure you keep all your movements slow and controlled. 2 sec negative and a deep stretch on all lifts. I'm not sure if you do a 4th set which is a static set or "pulses" for 20 sec or more. If you dont, add it, its a great way to exhaust every last muscle fiber.

After you put on some good solid size and you switch up to the three day split you'll be able to concentrate on your lagging body parts with widowmakers and thats when you'll start to take your physic to a whole nother level.

Glad to help bro. I know there is a whole lot of questions going thru your mind about this stuff. Fortunatly for me when I started I was training with one of DC's clients so I had an inside track on learning the program. There is a whole lot of variations of Dc training out there and I cant tell you how many people I've talked to at the gym who think they are doing Dc and really arent doing anything close to it. You at least have a pretty good concept of it.

[wukillabee]

My stats were almost identical to yours when I started dc training. I thought I was strong before, boy was I wrong! My weights on lifts now compared to then are unbelievable.

Make sure you keep all your movements slow and controlled. 2 sec negative and a deep stretch on all lifts. I'm not sure if you do a 4th set which is a static set or "pulses" for 20 sec or more. If you dont, add it, its a great way to exhaust every last muscle fiber.

After you put on some good solid size and you switch up to the three day split you'll be able to concentrate on your lagging body parts with widowmakers and thats when you'll start to take your physic to a whole nother level.

Glad to help bro. I know there is a whole lot of questions going thru your mind about this stuff. Fortunatly for me when I started I was training with one of DC's clients so I had an inside track on learning the program. There is a whole lot of variations of Dc training out there and I cant tell you how many people I've talked to at the gym who think they are doing Dc and really arent doing anything close to it. You at least have a pretty good concept of it.

Well i learned from Dante's posts over at intense muscle learning as much as i can. Some parts i admit can get confusing. So u want me to do my max on squats and do a last set of 20-30 reps? Ima need a spotter just to pick me up off the ground!
Dont do the pulses ur talking about but will be sure to add them in asap! I always do my lifts with best form possible feeling the muscle do the work.

[crazydayz]

Intense muscle is a great forum. Make sure ur doing your widows somewhere that you can bail out from under the weight. I myself use these exercises in the rotation... hack squat, Smythe squat & front squats with the safety bar. I can take all these to failure without getting hurt plus I can hit a good negative after my last rep if I know there is no way in hell Im getting another rep.

[crazydayz]

Intense muscle is a great forum. Make sure ur doing your widows somewhere that you can bail out from under the weight. I myself use these exercises in the rotation... hack squat, Smythe squat & front squats with the safety bar. I can take all these to failure without getting hurt plus I can hit a good negative after my last rep if I know there is no way in hell Im getting another rep.

[wukillabee]

Intense muscle is a great forum. Make sure ur doing your widows somewhere that you can bail out from under the weight. I myself use these exercises in the rotation... hack squat, Smythe squat & front squats with the safety bar. I can take all these to failure without getting hurt plus I can hit a good negative after my last rep if I know there is no way in hell Im getting another rep.

Thats a good idea! I can pack more weight using the smith for my squats and wont have to worry about balancing the bar or not making it back up, haha! Sounds good bro, ill be sure to change a few things. Appreciate the help!

[stpete]

Nice log as usual bro. Keep up the good work and good luck.

[wukillabee]

Nice log as usual bro. Keep up the good work and good luck.

Thanks bro

[wukillabee]

Start with the bad news. Woke up today feeling some tenderness in my left nip. Still not too sure of the legitimacy of the l-dex so going to start taking 2mg ed starting today. If tenderness gets worse after days of 2mg of l-dex, im sure the l-dex is bunk and will toss it and take what i know works!

Starting today with 75mg proviron and will keep this dose throughout the cycle. Not feeling anything really that people say proviron does for you like hardness, increased libido, etc. Freeing up test? Maybe but how would i know for sure? If i have to take 100mg of proviron and still not seeing much from it, this will probably be my last cycle using it.

I've noticed over the last 10 days or so that my libido is now below average! Since im taking in 500mg of long estered test a week and 400mg of very short ester test a week, i think i have plenty of test to keep it up and running. This brings me to believe the deca is shutting me down hard. Going to start taking .25mg of prami tonight ed and see if that helps.

Noticing for sure now full testicular atrophy. I dont mind it cus it keeps em out of the way, haha! Still, starting monday i will be taking 250iu of hcg twice a week, same schedule as my test/deca shots.

To bring everyone up to par, heres how my cycle is looking so far:

weeks 1-8 dbol 40mg ed
weeks 1-5 test ace 100mg eod for 400mg week
weeks 4-8 anadrol 50mg ed
weeks 1-14 deca 450mg week
weeks 1-16 test500 at 500mg week
weeks 1-18 proviron 75mg week (starting new dose today of 75mg)
weeks 1-18 l-dex at 2mg ed (starting dose today of 2mg)
weeks 1-18 prami at .25mg ed (starting prami today at.25mg)
weeks 4-18 hcg 500iu week

Looks like a long list but half that list is really just to combat sides and keep a balance of estro and test in my body, more test then estro! Since i feel this dose of dbol is low and anadrol, i feel i can stack them together at week 4 for a good 4 weeks. As soon as i stop ill be taking liver supps for sure.

Good News:
dbol is treating me great! Zero negative sides, all positive sides. Noticed it doesn't bloat me as bad as anadrol does, give me strength gains, feel hard as a rock, lovin it! Test ace is also kicked in fully and love the smooth injects, very happy i decided to kickstart with this. Deca seems to be creeping it's way in since my knees don't feel much if any dryness anymore, Thank God! So far my gains seem nice and steady, everything there seems on point. Just now gotta battle the sides. Off to the gym now!

[crazydayz]

Cant wait to hear about your battle today in the gym.

[wukillabee]

Today was an exhausting day at the gym wow. Up on most my lifts but towards the end just felt winded with a nasty headache. No abs or cardio today but i have the weekend for that. Weights are starting to really feel much lighter now! Gonna shoot right quad 1ml (100mg test ace) as soon as i get out of the shower here.

Chest: Decline Hammer Strength
2 warm up sets
370x10, 370x3, 370x2 (Up 10lbs and 5 reps!)

Shoulders: Smith Press Behind Head
2 warm up sets
185x7, 185x3, 185x2 (up 10lbs)

Triceps: Dips (lowered weight a bit to get more reps)
2 warm up sets
70x5, 70x3, 70x2 (see below)

Back Width: Hammer Strength Pulldown
2 warm up sets
270x6, 270x3, 270x2 (up 3 reps)

Back Thickness: Underhand Barbell Row (t-bar replacement)
2 warm up sets
185x6 (straight set)

Starting doing a negative set with max weight on all lifts, burns like hell on top of the extreme stretching of course. Not gonna list those since its common knowledge to do with dc training.

For some reason on my dips when i add weight, i feel it a lot when i go down in my bis and a tad in my front delts instead of my tris. For sure goin up i feel it good in my tris though. I dont lean forward when i go down or up, i keep it strict as vertical as possible like a pencil not to lean forward. Sometimes the pain is so bad on my bis goin down that i don't want to even do another rep even though my tris can take it. Not sure what to do here but taking some advice and gonna lower the weight to get more reps out of my tris and bis.

Stupid gym lost the camber handle for me to do t-bar rows so replacing that exercise with underhand barbell rows. I feel its a good second best to t-bars if not the same. This is my first time doin this exercise in awhile so not sure where my weight is on it, today was more of an evaluation on it, haha. On the straight set i was losing my grip more then my back giving out though.

Overall, feeling and looking more swole everywhere. I mean swole in a good way, not like a balloon bloated kind of way. Still vascular in my bis and even more vascular in my forearms and even traps now! Crazy to see more vascularity while gaining size. Ill weigh myself tomorrow to see where im at so far, i feel im about the same, up about 6-8lbs from start of cycle.

Diet on the days i go to work 5 days a week have been perfect to the plan but on days off from work i like to have a cheat meal or two on those days. I feel its no biggie since for the majority of the time in eating very clean. When i say cheat its not like all pizza or something like that, more like Chinese or Mexican food still with plenty of protein but we all know its mostly bad carbs and what not. Still, carbs are carbs and calories are calories when it comes down to it, need all that while tryin to get huge! Some may disagree of course but its about the same in the end.

[crazydayz]

"Stupid gym lost the camber handle for me to do t-bar rows so replacing that exercise with underhand barbell rows. I feel its a good second best to t-bars if not the same. This is my first time doin this exercise in awhile so not sure where my weight is on it, today was more of an evaluation on it, haha. On the straight set i was losing my grip more then my back giving out though."

I'm not sure what a camber handle is, but what I like to do (sorry if this is what your talking about) is wedge the end of an olympic bar in a corner on the ground & use the v-grip/close grip handle you see on most seated cable rows.

[stpete]

The back corner of the squat rack works pretty good. Abs and cardio today?

[wukillabee]

"Stupid gym lost the camber handle for me to do t-bar rows so replacing that exercise with underhand barbell rows. I feel its a good second best to t-bars if not the same. This is my first time doin this exercise in awhile so not sure where my weight is on it, today was more of an evaluation on it, haha. On the straight set i was losing my grip more then my back giving out though."

I'm not sure what a camber handle is, but what I like to do (sorry if this is what your talking about) is wedge the end of an olympic bar in a corner on the ground & use the v-grip/close grip handle you see on most seated cable rows.

Thats exactly how i do them. The gym lost or got rid of the v-grip handle thing so cant do that anymore. They dont have any kind of t-bar machine either.

[crazydayz]

Exactly the reason why I hate the big commercial gyms!