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    Quote Originally Posted by syd-bloke View Post
    Show me one guy who gained mass by using winny alone! winny doesnt give you the same effect as testosterone. This is based on years of research. Since winny is used massively by body builders, they made this assumption that you need pct after winny (alone) just to be safe. It like the time that everybody thought the earth was flat!



    Well, Tren is prone to releasing estrogen hence no gyno. Here is a description on Tren from Steroid.com:

    "Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention."

    Tren has many other side effects. As I said before, as soon as you take any kind of anabolic steroid with winny, you need to plan a decent pct.

    This will confirm my point, for the sake of being safe, regardless of who say what, planning a pct after winny alone is an insurance policy for people who are not sure about winny.

    Again, no one should take winny by its own which would eliminate this debate anyway!
    have you heard of progesterone

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    Quote Originally Posted by syd-bloke View Post
    losers never cycled shit giving wrong advice. You dont need pct for winstrol (stanazol) alone. It doesnt shut you down to the same level as test/deca/sus (there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause issue). Your body will recover by itself. Besides, winny by its own is a waste anyway.

    Also if you take winny by it own, you can say goodbye to your libido. Hence my original advise to stack it with test or sus, then you would need nolva for your pct.

    just google winstrol and pct. Here is a sample:

    "There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain"... Source website

    Id say you have to atleast run a serm afterwards because i have seen a few people develop a little gyno from it but i dont see much shut down on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syd-bloke View Post
    losers never cycled shit giving wrong advice. You dont need pct for winstrol (stanazol) alone. It doesnt shut you down to the same level as test/deca/sus (there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause issue). Your body will recover by itself. Besides, winny by its own is a waste anyway.

    Also if you take winny by it own, you can say goodbye to your libido. Hence my original advise to stack it with test or sus, then you would need nolva for your pct.

    just google winstrol and pct. Here is a sample:

    "There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain"... Source website
    The reason you say goodbye to your libido is because,your SHUT DOWN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syd-bloke View Post
    losers never cycled shit giving wrong advice. You dont need pct for winstrol (stanazol) alone. It doesnt shut you down to the same level as test/deca/sus (there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause issue). Your body will recover by itself. Besides, winny by its own is a waste anyway.

    (Im not even going to waste my time pointing out all the things wrong with this statement. My tolerence for ignorance is short today.)

    Also if you take winny by it own, you can say goodbye to your libido. Hence my original advise to stack it with test or sus, then you would need nolva for your pct. (Gee that sounds an awful lot like having your HPTA shut down. )

    just google winstrol and pct. Here is a sample:

    "There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain"... Source website

    (Winstrol can) aromatize.
    BOLDS for everyone else.

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    You guys honestly believe he is 5'11'', 270, 15% bodyfat? You realize that's like IFBB Pro type stats, and his only cycle ever is 30mg of winny? Haha, boy you guys are gulible.

    You are either:

    A) Nowhere near 270lbs
    B) Way over 15% BF
    or
    C) Much taller than 5'11''

    So what is it? (I'm guessing BF)

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    he said it made him freaky strong tho.. so it had to be real??? lol i donno.. i kno the tren he has right now is real. i got it for him . so when he uses it this time lol i will let u kno..

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamond View Post
    he said it made him freaky strong tho.. so it had to be real??? lol i donno.. i kno the tren he has right now is real. i got it for him . so when he uses it this time lol i will let u kno..
    Well if he says it makes him strong, it must be so.

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    and wats weirder.. most guys around here do winny only cycles. now reading up more on guys cycles.. i really dnt get y most guys take winny

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    i donno...lol

    all i kno is that right now i get him sum tren. i kno thats real. so i'll c how he reacts to that...

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    syd-bloke, you know nothing about me or what I base my opinions on, but it certainly isn't what I read on forums or what sources tell me.
    I also find it amusing that you quote BokBok and say "Exactly!" even though BokBok agreed that you are wrong.
    let it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big;48***44
    syd-bloke, you know nothing about me or what I base my opinions on, but it certainly isn't what I read on forums or what sources tell me.
    I also find it amusing that you quote BokBok and say "Exactly!" even though BokBok agreed that you are wrong.
    let it go.
    I agreed with him regarding your way of contributing to this forum. As i said before, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Wether he thought "I" was wrong or not was not the reason I concurred with him, the fact that he acknowledged your ignorant answer, was our common ground. Didnt you notice when he enforced his point to you for the seccond time?

    Lets leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big;48***44
    syd-bloke, you know nothing about me or what I base my opinions on, but it certainly isn't what I read on forums or what sources tell me.
    I also find it amusing that you quote BokBok and say "Exactly!" even though BokBok agreed that you are wrong.
    let it go.
    I believe they are both aussie,they stick together,even tho they have no clue of what there talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BokBok View Post
    Can we just all kiss and make up please?

    How many seconds before DSM gets in here........
    DSM don't come up here, this is where the big boys play...lol


    no kissing

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    HaHaHa.... Welcome back BIG ..lol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by *El Diablo* View Post
    HaHaHa.... Welcome back BIG ..lol..
    thanks my friend. I'm an Equal Opportunity Offender.

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    OP - I'm not going to join in on what is already taking place, I just wanted to point something out. You said that you only had Novedex XT available for PCT. Regardless of what AAS you run, Novedex XT is NOT going to help you out one bit. You might as well save your $50 and but a ton of multi-vitamins cause they will do more good for you than the Novedex XT. Stuff is garbage!

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    ^ The same can more than be said about you.

    Oh man.. lol the crappy advice i could pull up that youve given out over the years. Geez... How could any of us forget the gem that was this.

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=361469


    Youre just lucky we dont ban people for such offenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WARMachine View Post
    ^ The same can more than be said about you.

    Oh man.. lol the crappy advice i could pull up that youve given out over the years. Geez... How could any of us forget the gem that was this.

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=361469


    Youre just lucky we dont ban people for such offenses.

    WOW. Thats great!

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    LOL skinnykenney......you have some great threads.....hahaha

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