M-Drol or Spawn

[Triple Stack]

Good call - Cialis is a must for PCT in my opinion! Especially for M-Drol or Spawn prohormones, from what I hear they will shut you down hard...

[robofish]

I asked this befor and relly didnt get an answer... but if spawn is like dbol can i stack it with test e? if i ran a 10 week cycle of test e at 500mgs a week could i trow in 4 weeks of spawn? or would that just kill my liver?

[Okinawa_Power]

I asked this befor and relly didnt get an answer... but if spawn is like dbol can i stack it with test e? if i ran a 10 week cycle of test e at 500mgs a week could i trow in 4 weeks of spawn? or would that just kill my liver?

I have heard that nothing compares to D-Bol except Anadrol. MG per MG D-Bol is the strongest oral out there!!!! Stick with D-Bol and you know you will get results......

[Triple Stack]

Spawn is a stack already of two prohormones - Tren/Epistane I think so I would not add this to the Test E (I've never taken PH's but I have a helluva stockpile right now!). I think you'd be really giving your liver & endocrine system a workout...

I agree with Okinawa Power that Dbol is the proper choice. I love Dbol & it makes me feel like Superman! When I frontload it my weight pops up 10-15 lbs in a couple weeks ooorah...and no tiredness for me - in fact, I feel invigorated.

[dec11]

Spawn is a stack already of two prohormones - Tren/Epistane I think so I would not add this to the Test E (I've never taken PH's but I have a helluva stockpile right now!). I think you'd be really giving your liver & endocrine system a workout...

I agree with Okinawa Power that Dbol is the proper choice. I love Dbol & it makes me feel like Superman! When I frontload it my weight pops up 10-15 lbs in a couple weeks ooorah...and no tiredness for me - in fact, I feel invigorated.

[Triple Stack]

Front loading my cycle 4 weeks with the Dbols (for a better explanation)...since Test E takes a few weeks to kick in

[Okinawa_Power]

Front loading my cycle 4 weeks with the Dbols (for a better explanation)...since Test E takes a few weeks to kick in

^^^ Yep Yep...

[M302_Imola]

Front loading my cycle 4 weeks with the Dbols (for a better explanation)...since Test E takes a few weeks to kick in

that's called kick starting not front loading

[robofish]

ok so 4 weeks of dbol at the begining of my 10 week test cycle. How much time shold be between a dbol and test cycle for a spawn cycle? like a year?

[Okinawa_Power]

ok so 4 weeks of dbol at the begining of my 10 week test cycle. How much time shold be between a dbol and test cycle for a spawn cycle? like a year?

Time on equals Time off plus PCT so......

Time on: 12 Weeks

Time Off: 12 Weeks + 4 weeks PCT=16 Weeks off

[Triple Stack]

I'm old & get confused easily...I was recently discussing "back loading" a cycle with someone who said they wanted to finish with an oral.

Senior moment I guess. "Hey, is it the steroids that are making me stupid?" LOL I read so many threads where people accuse the steroids of every sniffle they get

Thanks for getting me back on track with my terminology M302!

[Okinawa_Power]

I'm old & get confused easily...I was recently discussing "back loading" a cycle with someone who said they wanted to finish with an oral.

Senior moment I guess. "Hey, is it the steroids that are making me stupid?" LOL I read so many threads where people accuse the steroids of every sniffle they get

Thanks for getting me back on track with my terminology M302!

I have been told it is front loading also....so who is right and who is wrong????? Please let me know........

Front Load: To load your receptors with an oral steroid before the injectable starts to kick in.

[fit4ever180]

Kick starting is using a different steroid at the beginning of a cycle to start seeing immediate gains before the long estered compounds kick in (i.e. the 4 weeks of dbol at the beginning of a test e/dbol cycle)... Also, this does not have to be done with orals necessarily... For example, you can jab your test e as normal, but also jab test p as well since it's metabolized in only 3 days... This will allow you to start filling its effects sooner and it can then be dropped once the test e has kicked in just like an oral

Front loading is using the same steroid (should be test) that will be the backbone of the cycle, but increasing the dose of the first initial injections (most often doubled) to allow testosterone levels to peak sooner rather than waiting the full 4 weeks... i.e. Week 1, instead of injecting 250mg every 3.5 days, you would inject 500 mg every 3.5 days... This allows optimum test levels in a shorter time...

Back loading is essentially the reverse of a kickstart... It is often used so a person can go right onto PCT instead of having to wait the 14 days (or more depending on the test ester) to allow the test to fully be metabolized out of the body. So, a person wishng to backload for example could do there last test e jab at 10 weeks, then just run dbol or prop for weeks 11 and 12 and jump right onto pct at the end of week 12 (there would be a 3 day waiting period for the prop to metabolize)

Hope that clears this up for you

[Okinawa_Power]

Kick starting is using a different steroid at the beginning of a cycle to start seeing immediate gains before the long estered compounds kick in (i.e. the 4 weeks of dbol at the beginning of a test e/dbol cycle)... Also, this does not have to be done with orals necessarily... For example, you can jab your test e as normal, but also jab test p as well since it's metabolized in only 3 days... This will allow you to start filling its effects sooner and it can then be dropped once the test e has kicked in just like an oral

Front loading is using the same steroid (should be test) that will be the backbone of the cycle, but increasing the dose of the first initial injections (most often doubled) to allow testosterone levels to peak sooner rather than waiting the full 4 weeks... i.e. Week 1, instead of injecting 250mg every 3.5 days, you would inject 500 mg every 3.5 days... This allows optimum test levels in a shorter time...

Back loading is essentially the reverse of a kickstart... It is often used so a person can go right onto PCT instead of having to wait the 14 days (or more depending on the test ester) to allow the test to fully be metabolized out of the body. So, a person wishng to backload for example could do there last test e jab at 10 weeks, then just run dbol or prop for weeks 11 and 12 and jump right onto pct at the end of week 12 (there would be a 3 day waiting period for the prop to metabolize)

Hope that clears this up for you

Thanks!! Cleared up a lot!!!

[robofish]

ok im back i read thur alot of stuff and i think its all figured out so im going to post what i am planning on doing and hopefully u guys say it looks good and ill started my cycle next monday. i have 2 bottles of mdrol and one of spawn i think im just going to start with an mdrol cycle and save the spawn for latter down the road.

Life support for the liver

mdrol
30/30/30/30

pct
Nolva
40/40/20/20
clomid
70/70/35/35

now should i pick up some liquidex? and if so how much should i take and how aften? also is there anything i could add to my cycle or pct that i could make my gains better and or hold them better?
thank you for da help