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Did Mayweather agree to the fight? I think he'll just avoid this fight if he can.Originally Posted by DanB
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Martinez called him out and said he is true pound for pound champ and he knock him out etc
It the only fight left for mayweather that will make him the $$$$ he wants, in fact it be his biggest payday to date, it will happen there is no doubt in my mind
Here is what will happen, martinez beats him and mayweather retires
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No doubt, Martinez will beat him like a red-headed step child. But only IF Mayweather agrees to fight him. I think Mayweather will dodge him though and take a couple lesser fights then retire.
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Floyds not ducking him, Martinez fights two divisions higher then him, I tell you what, if Floyd moves up to middleweight to fight Martinez that would be one hell of a gangster move. I think Floyd's talented enough to move up and beat him too. But that ain't happening, Floyd's got too much business down at 147 and 154 named Tim Bradley, pacman and soul Alvarez. The biggest fight that can be made in the sport is Floyd vs pacman (that's if pacman can get past Marquez)
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Sergio is a beast I'd love to see him fight Mayweather or Pac but it won't happen. Sergio is way to big and I don't think Mayweather will move up.
Mayweather won't even fight Pac why would he ever fight Sergio a bigger stronger fighter with serious punching power and good speed.
Sergio I think would beat Pac or Mayweather.
Besides aside from the pay day involved in moving down a weight class.
Honestly what's the point of a bigger fighter moving down and beating a smaller guy???
I remember the days when you moved UP a weight class to prove you were the best.
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I've always been a Mayweather fan, lost a bit of respect for him in the Victor Ortiz fight, almost looked rigged. I miss those exciting fights he used to put on like again N'dou. Most of his fights go to decision now and that's annoying. He should fight a lot more he's getting close to the end of his career seems like he's just trying to cash in.
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Pacquiao wont beat marquez, saul alaverz wont fight mayweather yet, trust me his next fight will be martinez
After marquez beats pacquaio then martinez will be no.2 pound for pound, so there isnt a fight out there that will bring in more money especially not against a rapidly pacman, martinez has too much power he will knock mayweather out, there is also no question about his chin, he fought his way out against a much more powerful fighter in last round of his last fight, mayweather cant take shots like that, middleweight is when they really start hitting hard
Mayweather started pro career at super feather, middle will just be far too powerful him and the fight will happen, boxing is all about middle and super middle these days, thats where the talent is
An ageing cotto shook him, martinez is more powerful, argueably better offensive boxer, better scrapper, and able to eat up shots from men far more powerful then floyd
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Mayweather is the greatest ever... This conversation is silly. He fights everyone and never has had a had time. Cotto was his toughest challenge EVER and it was still a majority decision (accurately judged). He has never been truly knocked down and has only been "hurt" once.
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I have a feeling Marquez will get robbed again.
Martinez ain't a big middleweight, he used to be a welterweight himself. I think Floyd can beat him. Your saying Floyd cant take his power. Floyd does'nt get hit, he has one of the best defenses ever. When have you ever seen Floyd hurt by a shot? (besides the Mosley fight) he's never been knock down nevermind knocked out. Martinez on the other hand gets put on his ass almost every fight, that's what makes him exciting I guess. I believe Floyd would box circles around him.
You heard about the new middleweight tournament HBO are planning to put on?
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Completely agree ! Especially the Mike Tyson part
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Floyd should be the best of his generation... his competition from 140 and up is questionable, but recently has been a bit better. Skillwise there is no one over the last 10 years that could match his ability to think and adjust on the fly. The one thing that could save his legacy and make him look much better would be to go to 160 and fight Martinez.
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Floyd is def up there on my list. A boxing genius with superb skills. Even at 35, I dont think there is a blueprint to beat him yet...
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Didn't coto beat him pretty badly??? Not to mention hasn't he been running from Manny for quite sometime?? Broke ass money mayweather. Doesn't he owe his best friend 50 cent a million dollars??? Money mayweather isn't even a real company. He's all hype made popular by production agencies. They haven't let him have a fight he could loose bc he has so many fans. He's about the only professional boxer who is not only ripped but doesn't sound like a complete idiot when he is on camera. Unless you stop to actually listen to what he is saying... Usually just shit talk and usually not even shit talk about boxing but how much money he has.... And again as far as I know the man is now broke not even able to pay bonds to get out of jail on his own and is forced to ask friends who are coming out saying he was never able to re pay
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Mayweather is a great technical boxer, clearly best in his weight division. Hard to say of all time, so many factors to take in the consideration. I don't Beleive in just one greatest fighter of all time. Easier to keep it best in weight divisions,
Flloyds attitude and personal life aside, he is a tremendous boxer and buisness man. He fights the top guys, wins and earns his million dollar pay checks. His boxing career so far 10/10, but as we seen with RJJ that can all change in a few fights, lets just hope he retires at the right time to keep that record perfect.
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Cotto came nowhere close to beating him. Floyd chose to brawl him, the total opposite to his normal fighting style, and STILL beat Cotto decisively...
And who cares about Floyds money matters? Why do use his financial issues to reinforce your hatred for him?
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Sorry maybe I was mistaken. I posted just from memory which I try not to do... Shoulda googled it real quick to make sure.
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I think that manny now needs to worry about retiring. After that knockout he will never be the same fighter. Martinez had said that he would go down to 150 to fight manny before... as much as he and roach like to drain fighters they didn't even comment on it.
If Floyd fights Sergio at 154 he wouldn't get credit for it, people will make excuses that the weight was to low. I mean most people hate the guy. I love to watch his ring abilities, but i'm not much on him outside of it. His skills could have made him possibly the best ever... especially with more activity, but now he's lost his legs... he just doesn't move as much anymore.
manny was never going to be able to beat him... manny ducked and dodged the tests and make excuses as did roach and arum. Oh well... it's not a fight i've cared about for over a year now.
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he was unstoppable until he met with a 42 to 1 underdog that boxed his ears off and knocked him out. Tyson was over rated and used intimidation to win fights and he's even stated it himself. He got beat by Holyfield, who had come from several lower weight classes and was so frustrated that he had to bite a piece of his ear off. For the record, someone with Floyd's skill vs. a prime Tyson? Come on. Mike would have been stopped before the 6th.
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I don't know how it looked rigged. Floyd KO'd a fighter who had tried to hug and kiss him 3 times.. he accepted the first, but Floyd is in the business of fighting, not trying to figure out what sexuality he is. Ortiz admitted that he was trying to break Floyd's nose. I don't know about you, but if someone torpedoed their head into mine, i'd have KO'd that little jack ass for that too. Protect yourself at all times is the rule. Some people feel it was a punk move, but Floyd had already had Ortiz hurt once in the fight and then hit him with a 4 or 5 punch combo, so one way or the other he was going to get KO'd. Victor broke the one rule in boxing that you don't break and he paid for it. He also made 3 million dollars in the process, so I wouldn't complain to much if I were him.
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One other thing about Floyd, and his never being considered the best.
If you are the best, you take on ALL comers. You don't puss out and come up with excuses why you will not fight this guy or that guy.
Mayweather has pussed out and refused to fight boxers. This is NOT the mentality of an all time greatest. Fvcking Jake Lamotta was a beast, and would fight anybody, anytime. The man knew no fear. Unlike Mayweather.
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who did mike tyson beat
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He was hurt by Shane, but he was stunned twice by Corley.
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I try not to call anyone who gets into a professional ring with no protection at all but a cup "scared". I don't think Floyd has been the least bit scared of manny at all. He has said he "feared for his health", but that's because the guy was jacked up on PED's". Can I prove this as fact? No, however I do know that his strength coach has previously had 2 guys he trained in the hospital with "liver problems"... there are several things that cause liver problems, but we ALL know what does do it ;-). If i'm a fighter and i'm clean.. I want to make sure the other guy is as well. manny ducked and dodged real testing since the whole thing started up. Remember, back in 2009 Floyd agreed to ALL of manny's demands INCLULDING 10 million dollars per each lb overweight! You don't think that might have been a way to try to get out of a fight with Floyd on manny's side? Once Floyd agreed, the contract was signed on his side. manny refused random testing unless the cut off was at 28 or 30 days. It was then shown on 24/7 that he tested up to 21 days before the fight with Hatton. Floyd then said 14 days and manny backed out of the biggest fight in history... instead of people placing the blame on Floyd, they should see through their hate for him (and it's easy to hate him) and see all of the facts. freddie roach has been connected several times with fighters who have used PED's by the way. Remember Justin Fortune?
manny's excuses include:
scared of needles (they talked about his tattoos)
He countered with "he is superstitious about his blood being taken and feels that it weakens him" though it's about a tablespoon according to the USADA.
roach then came out and said "I won't let manny take the tests".
manny sued Floyd, his Father and Uncle because of their comments. Why sue someone? Why not say... i'll take the tests and and kick your ass for running your mouth about it?
supposed emails got to several people (Teddy Atlas being one) that had supposedly said "would it be able to be kept quiet if the tests were to come out positive". ummm ok?
manny and his guys come out and say they will do testing before Floyd goes to jail.
At one point, Floyd tweeted that he wanted to fight manny and said "let's give the world what they want to see" The response from bob arum was that they wanted to build a stadium because it would bring more money. As if the fight wouldn't have done at the very least 2.5 million ppv buys. Here's the quote
"Manny Pacquiao I'm calling you out let's fight May 5th and give the world what they want to see," he tweeted.
Mayweather is available for a fight in May at the MGM Grand Garden after a judge agreed last week to postpone his jail sentence for domestic violence until June. Mayweather was sentenced to 87 days in jail, but likely will serve less time.
The MGM Grand seats about 17,000, which could fetch around $20 million in sales, but the larger arena could raise an additional $30 million, Koncz said.
"Why would I tell Manny to fight on the 5th and throw away a percentage of 30 million? That's crazy," he said.
Floyd at any time would have embarassed manny and the way Marquez just flattened him proved that. Marquez fought Floyd and won 1 round at most. After a year and a half lay off I will add. The truth is manny can only use boxing skills when it comes to stationary targets, he throws off balance shots and leaps in... his defense has gotten better, but obviously he gets hit to much and will be lucky if he is ever the same after being completely out for over a minute. A fighter isn't usually the same after a KO like that. freddie roach has now lost Khan after back to back loses, he's on a losing streak. He was not a pure boxer when he was a fighter and the truth is he has no idea how to beat a truly elite pure boxer.
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his wife... pretty good too.
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for several years in the early to mid 80's, he beat everybody. and very convincingly, too. Almost all were brutal knockouts.
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two answers ...one good one
tr...dont dodge the question
i didnt ask if he won...give a name...just one...WHO did he beat
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I hear a lot of people talk about the money for verses the boxing the reality of a it is ..no 1 boxer is going to fight for free it's a business it's always been a busines. Floyd Mayweather is a good fighter the best fighter in his weight class. He is a future Hall of Famer his legacy will remain lol.
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I've had this debate with people many times as well. Mike no doubt was skilled and for a HW he had incredible power, speed and very good footwork. What he used to beat guys with however was intimidation. Once Douglas got in the ring with him Mike quickly found out what happens when a guy who is much taller and longer than you can do when he simply just boxes you. People can say what they want about him being distracted or this or that... but it's a total BS excuse. A person doesn't lose to a 43-1 underdog the way he did without being overrated. Tyson fought often yes, his wins were impressive yes, but many of them were not prime fighters, they were keeping him busy which was good, but when it came down to it, Tyson just didn't have what it took to beat the elite fighters of his time.
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exactly...not much of a debate either...he plain as% DIDNT beat ANYBODY
didnt intimidate ANYBODY
he beat and intimidated non entities
he had it all that guy too...i think he has found a good place in life...last i saw him he was doing an interview with greta van susteran (a late night fox news talk show host that i love) she was interviewing him at his home i think next to his pigeons and his oriental wife if i'm not mistaken...seemed happy and humble
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Easily one of the best ever.
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With the record he has, and the victories over specific opponents, I would place him as one of the best. At least until someone beats him. We all seen pacman recently retire after his ko loss to Marquez.
Although Mayweather is a trash talker, he's one of the best fighters out there.
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^^^^ agreed
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well now i'm curious what everyone thinks since Floyd vs. Alvarez at a CW of 152 lbs is now signed and set for Sept. 14th? I think it's a gutsy move. I don't like the catchweight crap, but Canelo just same in vs. Trout at 171 lbs on fight night. Floyd will barely weigh over 150 to keep his speed. It will be interesting a possible PPV all time record.
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I dont follow it close enough to have an opinion on weight, etc.
i'll bump it for you and ask you what do you think
and add that i would seriously doubt floyd would do anything to risk his perfect record
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Just noticed this thread. Floyd is great despite his attempts to keep his perfect record even at the expense of dodging opponents. He dodged Manny even though I am confident he would beat him. As far as all-time greats are concerned, it begins and ends with "Sugar" Ray Robinson. I have never heard any intelligent debate to the contrary. He is as clear-cut as the greatest of all time (GOAT) as Gretzky is in hockey, Rice as a wide-receiver, and Aleksandr Karelin as a wrestler.
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I'm not much on that GOAT stuff. I think that SRR is of course the GOAT and everyone else has to follow him. The sport is different now. PED's or just standard supplements, better science, better training, etc. I have no doubt that Floyd would have given manny a boxing lesson he would still be trying to figure out. To his credit, Floyd did make pretty much every attempt back in 2009 to make the fight, but manny wouldn't agree to a cut off date. After that, they didn't want to agree to any tests. Interesting now that he is fighting Brandon Rios he now wants random testing though isn't it?
As far as style and ability, Floyd would be up there pretty high with the ATG's IMO.
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It is definitely a different era, but I have always enjoyed discussing debates about GOAT despite the MANY flaws. I would have Floyd in the top 20 for sure. I haven't analyzed it enough to get more specific than that. Manny was willing to test towards the end, but he refused to be tested within a week of the fight. I wasn't aware of the random testing with Rios though. That is very interesting.
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and guess which agency is doing that testing? Yep, USADA, the same as Floyd.
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