Vaser Liposuccion and steroids

[qscgugcsq]

lol. I said you cannot target fat. Doesn't mean you can't lose it. Don't make up your own stories.

Aren't you 18 years old? You have no experience and seem to love putting in your false 2 cents at all times.

you seems to like discredit anyone do not think the same as you...
think whatever you want I respect your knowledge but I cant say the same with your opinion/attitude.

Their is many way to see things, yours is one within thousands.
stop thinking that you know everyone better than themselves. everyone have his own story, experience, needs.
You stop yourself at "one size fit for all". sry thats not the truth... their is plenty of path to reah the same goal.
that surgery is one tool within many to reach each individual goal.

I personnally will consider it if when Ill be under 10% my love handle are still fatter than the rest.

it do not mean that it is lazy, it means that I cant target fat loss at a specific area. My genetic said that I store more fat at these area. then the surgery will fix it.

that is hypocrisys, to say that diet is everything when steroids are used. Steroid arent magic, but they are goddamn efficient. so even with a crappy diet. you can get a great physique. Without proper diet, taking steroids are way riskier, less efficient, but they still are more efficient that our natural self.
If you disagree with that statement then you are a liar.

you are telling yourself that steroid has nothing to do with your physique for your own self-estime.
sry to break your bubble, without steroid, you would have never look like you do with the way you diet and train.

im truly sry for you if you got to tell yourself these lie to look at you in the mirror.

[kelkel]

First you need to understand human physiology and how it works. Don't take my word for it, but at least research and educate yourself from the leading and foremost authorities on the subject.

If you think its all about eating right and training right then unfortunately you have fallen for the same bullshit I did for many years and paid the price through my own lack of education by injuring myself.

Now, its not just hard for natty's (not all but I would say close to 95% who a) are not only naturally lean, but b) have great genetics) to get down to less than 10% body fat while holding on to a reasonable and decent level of body mass.

Either they will lose the fat AND THE MUSCLE or they will GAIN MUSCLE AND GET FAT. It's that simple. This is the truth.

Now I have no problem with people using drugs to achieve whatever asthetic goal they have.

I have a big problem with guys who use drugs who AND bullshit/berate and belittle natural athletes for not achieving what they have and suggesting it is because of their lack of discipline/diet or their training when those guys know fully well its simply because of their drug use.

You take any gym rat with a reasonable level of development and a descent fat free mass index (mine is something like 24.2 by the way) and I guarantee you so long has they are a responder to drugs and can handle sides I can get them contest ready for a show within 2 years or less. I ain't saying they are gonna look like Phil or win the Olympia but they gonna look like a bodybuilder.

This is about ending the sickening level of double standards and hypocrisy that has plagued this sport for so many years and continues to this day on threads like this.

Lets be clear, you aint special, you don't worker harder than me, you don't train harder than me, you don't have more dedication than me, .....you just take lots and lots of drugs, which is totally cool and fine, I aint got a problem with that cos I understand the realities involved......BUT don't you dare try and belittle my dedication or tell me I don't work as hard as you because you have better results or an easier time because of your drug use.

I know I can be controversial and rub people the wrong way.....but I am about the truth, I speak the truth, cos I was that dumb kid once who bought the mags and got bullshited for may years believing lies.

So when I see double standards or hypocrisy I won't stand for it and I will call it out like a shot.

Truth is truth.

See right now I have already been to the gym today this morning for 2.5 hours and I am Hungary and tried, but cos I am wound up I am now going to go gym again and do lots of cardio.

I am seriously gonna explode in a minute.

Peace

DPTUK Approved.

1. Yes I am. My mom used to tell me so.
2. Yes I do.
3. Yes I do.
4. Not much really.

And, if you're in the gym for 2.5 hrs, what the hell are you doing? My entire week of workouts barely hit that mark.
Side note. Ease up. Have some fun here man. We're not at work!

[Lunk1]

1. Yes I am. My mom used to tell me so.
2. Yes I do.
3. Yes I do.
4. Not much really.

And, if you're in the gym for 2.5 hrs, what the hell are you doing? My entire week of workouts barely hit that mark.

Each of you post a pic of whatever body part you choose and we will see who works the hardest (no Kel, not that part you dirty bastard).

[austinite]

you seems to like discredit anyone do not think the same as you... think whatever you want I respect your knowledge but I cant say the same with your opinion/attitude. Their is many way to see things, yours is one within thousands. stop thinking that you know everyone better than themselves. everyone have his own story, experience, needs. You stop yourself at "one size fit for all". sry thats not the truth... their is plenty of path to reah the same goal. that surgery is one tool within many to reach each individual goal. I personnally will consider it if when Ill be under 10% my love handle are still fatter than the rest. it do not mean that it is lazy, it means that I cant target fat loss at a specific area. My genetic said that I store more fat at these area. then the surgery will fix it. that is hypocrisys, to say that diet is everything when steroids are used. Steroid arent magic, but they are goddamn efficient. so even with a crappy diet. you can get a great physique. Without proper diet, taking steroids are way riskier, less efficient, but they still are more efficient that our natural self. If you disagree with that statement then you are a liar. you are telling yourself that steroid has nothing to do with your physique for your own self-estime. sry to break your bubble, without steroid, you would have never look like you do with the way you diet and train. im truly sry for you if you got to tell yourself these lie to look at you in the mirror.

lol. Because I pointed out how inexperienced and lazy you are?? Lol.

Man up and run your ass off. What's next, you want to get handicapped tags for your car? Man up.

[DPTUK]

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[Sgt. Hartman]

you are telling yourself that steroid has nothing to do with your physique for your own self-estime.
sry to break your bubble, without steroid, you would have never look like you do with the way you diet and train.

im truly sry for you if you got to tell yourself these lie to look at you in the mirror.

How do you know what aust looks like or if/what AAS he takes? You presume too much.

[DPTUK]

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[austinite]

How do you know what aust looks like or if/what AAS he takes? You presume too much.

lmao. I didn't even read that. Gotta love dealing with children. Intellectually challenged!

[XxAndreaxX]

Heey dptuk, chiiillll, I’m very objective under every aspect.
And you’re right in what you’re saying, because I did the experience on myself, I wanted to dirtybulk with roids, I started a test-tren cycle, nothing more, and I went everyday to Burgerking and ate and ate everything that was high caloric, and guess what, I was loosing fat, and ended up the cycle, almost at 11-12%BF where I started at 15% or so.
So you’re right by saying what you say, Roids will do the job, diet won’t. IMO Diet will do the job for someone who’s really obese, or above 15-20%BF,
But for someone who’s actually lean, you won’t get much out of a diet.
And the macronutrient story, its another half lie IMO, I don’t see much difference when I’m dieting 2000cal with selected macronutrients or 2000cal butter. Our body can produce its own proteins, so you virtually don’t need to eat tons of proteins.
And to prove that I’m right, simply take te example of the cat and the bull:
The cat only eats proteins, fish, meat, freakin Mikeymouse, and is very very thin, when you touch a cat, you can only feel bones.
A bull, only eats grass and vegetables, so virtually no proteins, and look at the muscles. He’s extremely muscular and shredded.
So, that said, Its the genetics that makes you big, not the diet, and if you don’t have the genetics, either you ask your mom for some better genetics next time, or you tell your body to use your nutrients to build muscle instead of retaining fat. How do you do it?? Taking AAS. That’s it!

[XxAndreaxX]

Anyways, I think 2,5 hours training everyday is too much, even if you’re on.
I tell you by experience, I’m extremely ectomorph, tending very little to endo, and I get far better results training 100% hypertrophy for 40min when I’m off and 1h or little more when I’m on.
I quit cardio, because I can’t train 2x a day, and since I quit cardio, I’m doing better. So I better adjust my diet to the cardio lack. If I had the time to train 2x a day, maybe I’d put some cardio separated from muscle building. But If you’re not a heavy endomorph, you could live without cardio.
Here’s my theory about the cardio stuff:
If you are tending to ectomorph, cardio won’t burn fat at all. While your running your ass off, your body will try to save your fat, and the energy might come from the muscle itself. Think about it, cardio doesn’t need big muscles, big muscles need more energy, more blood, more weight, more everything, and running you’ll only use up a 10% for example. He will try to cut muscle, to save energy and make your body more efficient for running. In that process, fat will remain unchanged.
Take a 500HP car and use that for going everyday to work in your town. You’ll notice that the big engine is not suited for that job, it will use up tons of gas, and you’ll replace the car soon for a 70HP car, that do exactly the same job, but much cheaper.
So here you have an answer why cardio make you look the same guy but smaller, or skinnyfat. Because your body just repalced the 500HP engine with the 70HP one.
Careful, I’m speaking about my genetics, I’m shure an endomorph for example, should kill himself with cardio, because he won’t loose that much muscle, due the tons of energy stored in fat. I’m seeing it in a mesomorph, he’s doing cardio like a fool, and do not loose that much muscle. He lost 8kg muscle maybe, but still looks great.
Now, if you do only hypertrophy, your body gets forced to lift heavy weights, so your muscles work 100% everytime you touch them. You adjust your diet to loose very slowly weight, so there’s no need to loose any muscle. And I think, the muscular loss in this case is similar to exponential to BF lost, so be careful

[sawyer86]

I wondered where he had gone and here he is back with another load of bullshit!

[XxAndreaxX]

I wondered where he had gone and here he is back with another load of bullshit!

sawyer, if you're the one in the avi, I look far better than you, even when I'm off, and whe have the same age

[sawyer86]

I dont care what you look like man you talk shit and you know fvck all.

[XxAndreaxX]

I dont care what you look like man you talk shit and you know fvck all.

It might be all 100% shit, that's why I always say that's only my opinión. Because its the experience that teached me that, and I want to share it.

[DPTUK]

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[sawyer86]

So youre admitting what you are saying could be 100% shit? At least that something we agree on! And if you look as good as you say you do its a fvcking miracle. In this thread youve said you have love handles and in sunlight you look like a girl.all you do is contradict yourself. You start by saying we dont need a lot of prorein then you say you eat a lot then you go back to saying we dont need it because our body produces it? Then you say your gains are the same eating a good diet as they are eating 2000 cals of butter and you eat burger king all day and drop bf. And to finish it off some bullshit about cats and bulls! We are human and our dietary requirments are not the same as cats or bull if im wrong about this let me know and ill go eat some fvking grass

[Back In Black]

sawyer, if you're the one in the avi, I look far better than you, even when I'm off, and whe have the same age

And how many ridiculous cycles have you ran?

[Back In Black]

I think 2 people in this thread need to start their own forum.

[sawyer86]

I think 2 people in this thread need to start their own forum.

I wish they would mate.

[XxAndreaxX]

I said I have the love handles when I’m above 12-13% of BF, and I can stay below of that naturlally by eating the right amount of food.
But I will tell you the truth, right now I have that freakin handles, because we’re under christmas, and I can’t eat the right cal. But this time its not that awful because I have a bigger upperbody, so its more or less ok. But my abs are still there.
And I’m shure, If I could quit the handles, I’d have a near perfect body year round, and maybe don’t even need to take roids if I could maintain my muscles.

[sawyer86]

Why dont you try eating grass like the bulls you speak of, maybe that will help

[Back In Black]

Why dont you try eating grass like the bulls you speak of, maybe that will help

Nah, I want him to eat 2000cals of butter everyday again and then tell us it doesn't make any difference. I mean, why would you have even tried to do that in the first place Andrea? How long did that experiment last?

[sawyer86]

He probly got sick of eating burger king everday all day

[Back In Black]

He probly got sick of eating burger king everday all day

I'm pretty sure last time he told the story it was mcdonalds:/

But he definitely says he didn't notice any difference when ha was eating 2000cals butter.

[sawyer86]

Im at the shop now getting a crate of butter!

[DPTUK]

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[XxAndreaxX]

no, sawyer, I would die If i eat grass, maybe the same would happen to a bull if he eats proteins... With that Example, I only want to show you, that diet is not 90% of our phisique, like you all believe. Its more genetics (inclusive roids because by taking them its similar to change genetics).
Back in black, I did 3 cycles, but the first one was very low in doses, so it should not count, I’m shure I look far better than the most here with much more cycles.
But again, I don’t look better because I train better or I diet better, I look better because of my genetics.
But I don’t know why, every time I open a new thread, we end up arguing about diet, I’m really fed up to talk about diet, I have a diet thread in the diet section, if you want to talk about that with me, lets talk there, here I would like to talk about the liposuction, and your thaugts about it in the bodybuilding world. I mean, Synthol is not that much different, and its very respected in this forum.
Thanks!

[DPTUK]

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[Capebuffalo]

All professional bodybuilders (and most athletes) use drugs. Anyone who says differently is lying or trying to sell you something. Again, this isn't a grouse or whine, but rather a statement of fact. When you introduce the myriad anabolic drugs into the equation, it becomes possible to not only side-step but almost ignore "normal" human physiology. Couple better than average genetics with enough drugs and you get professional bodybuilders. You are not one of them, you will not be one of them. No amount of wishful thinking can change that. Even if you had access to all of their drugs, there's no guarantee you'd get as big; it's likely that one of the genetic advantages that professional bodybuilders have is a high sensitivity to the drugs that they do take.
Anyone who tells you that the various bodybuilding drugs (anabolic steroids, insulin, clenbuterol, etc.) don't work, or aren't necessary to reach a monstrous level of development, is bullshitting you. Usually they have an all-natural supplement or steroid replacement to sell you in the first place (I just have a book). I'd be lying if I told you that anything you'll read in this book could take you to the development level of even the worst pro. It can't. Without both their genetics and their drugs, it simply can't be done. At best proper/meticulous/crafty nutrition and training will let your maximize your own potential and move beyond ordinary. To go above your genetic potential requires drugs. The sooner you come to terms with this, the better off you'll be.
The fact is that drugs, even the relatively simple testosterone, can take you to a level of development otherwise unachievable by any natural training, diet and supplement methods. At even moderate doses, testosterone allows you to sidestep your normal physiology and reach a higher level of development. It raises the "setpoint" of how much muscle you can carry; it reduces your fat mass at the same time. Once you introduce all the other drugs endemic to pro-bodybuilding, you get a physiology that is unattainable in non-drug using individuals.
Still not convinced? A single example should help to make my point. In natural (read: non drug using) individuals who have dieted down to extremely low body fat levels, say 5%, you see a common hormonal pattern. Testosterone levels are typically bottomed out (some studies even find castrate levels, which is why a lot of natural contest bodybuilders can't get their dick hard, not that they have a sex drive in the first place), thyroid levels are bottomed out, IGF-1 levels are bottomed out, sympathetic nervous system output is way down meaning decreased caloric and fat burning, appetite is through the roof, cortisol is through the roof, on and on it goes. This makes good evolutionary sense: at 5% body fat, you are starving to death. Your body is turning off every system (metabolic, reproductive, immune, etc.) that it can to keep you alive until you get some food.
Contrast that to a dieting professional bodybuilder. With the choice of the right drugs, he can eliminate pretty much all of the above problems. Anabolic steroids replace natural testosterone, synthetic thyroid replaces what the body is no longer making, injectable insulin, GH, and IGF-1 fix the insulin, GH and IGF-1 problem, clenbuterol replaces sympathetic nervous system output, appetite suppressants can deal with appetite and anti- cortisol drugs deal with the cortisol problem. That's only a partial drug list, by the way.
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Getting to the point
The drug using bodybuilder has completely shut the door in the face of his normal physiology while the natural bodybuilder is basically ****ed (physiologically speaking). Again, my point in explaining this isn't so much to give you a metaphorical kick in the nuts before we get started; it's to explain the basic realities of the situation. One of the worst things that a natural athlete or bodybuilder can hope to do is to emulate the pros in terms of their training or diet. Pro athletes and bodybuilders have at least two major advantages that you don't have: genetic and drugs. Hoping that you can achieve what they achieve or, even worse, trying to use their approach to do it, almost guarantees failure.
But all is not lost. One of the goals of the UD2 is to mimic some of the processes that occur normally in the genetic elite. We may not be able to do it 100%, but we can get in the ballpark and this will improve results. By using specific nutritional and training practices, the occasional supra-physiological level of supplements and even the occasional drug, we can duplicate some of what's going on.

Wow. Your whole post history in this thread is cut and paste. Have you any personal knowledge like the vets posting their experience ? Lazy to steal another mans word and not give credit to him.

Liposuction and Synthol you two will be the perfect male specimen.

The Ultimate Diet 2.0 - Page 8 - Google Books Result
books.google.com/books?isbn=0967145627
Lyle McDonald - 2003 - ‎Bodybuilding
drugs. All professional bodybuilders (and most athletes) use drugs. Anyone who says differently is lying or trying to sell you something. Again, this isn't a grouse or whine, but rather a statement of fact. When you introduce the myriad anabolic drugs into the equation, it becomes possible to not only side-step but almost ignore ...

[Back In Black]

Andrea, tell me about your butter diet that you followed please.

[sawyer86]

no, sawyer, I would die If i eat grass, maybe the same would happen to a bull if he eats proteins... With that Example, I only want to show you, that diet is not 90% of our phisique, like you all believe. Its more genetics (inclusive roids because by taking them its similar to change genetics).
Back in black, I did 3 cycles, but the first one was very low in doses, so it should not count, I’m shure I look far better than the most here with much more cycles.
But again, I don’t look better because I train better or I diet better, I look better because of my genetics.
But I don’t know why, every time I open a new thread, we end up arguing about diet, I’m really fed up to talk about diet, I have a diet thread in the diet section, if you want to talk about that with me, lets talk there, here I would like to talk about the liposuction, and your thaugts about it in the bodybuilding world. I mean, Synthol is not that much different, and its very respected in this forum.
Thanks!

Why compare us to animals to back your point and then point out that the comparison was useless because we are totally diffrent?you also keep bringing up that you look far better than people on this forum which is pissing me off! We dont care what you look like we are not here to see who looks the best

[Capebuffalo]

I can't believe it's not butter!!!!!

[XxAndreaxX]

To back in black: i never did that diet, it was for example, but i did the burgerking diet whil on roids, and I lost BF
to sawyer: If I'm doing everything wrong, and you all everything right, I should look like shit and you should all look far better than me. then again, sawyer you're right, good looking is relative, for me good looking is what a generic girl wants, for others its what male judges want...

[Back In Black]

3 cycles? Ok, let's list them

Cycle 1 - h'drol
Cycle 2 - test and tren with proviron
Cycle 3 - test and tren
Cycle 4 - test, tren, d'bol, proviron, masteron

So, which 2 of these cycles don't count?

And you said you didn't notice a difference when you did an all butter diet. Maybe you should do it and tell us the results after all, you would look no different, right?

[Lunk1]

Cows are herbivores ya fkn dumb ass! They don't process food the same as a carnivore or an omnivore. They still require protein but much less. There is protein in grass and cattle have the ability to process it effectively due to there specific digestive system. Oh..that's right, cows also have 4 compartments that make up the stomach so they don't process food the same as humans.

If you tards are going to try to argue your beliefs, then at least make a valid point!

[DPTUK]

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[Capebuffalo]

What are you nuts, off course I gave credit to Lyle, I have mentioned a hundred times on here that I was following UD2 and that what I was quoting from.

Learn to follow the thread properly.

Kelkel said "show my one study" that when naturals try to diet down to low body fat levels that this messes up their hormones which he was claiming is not true and I told him it was true and that if "he wanted to argue with Lyle" then he can be my guest.

See above posts in this thread.

Stop trying to divert the issue to avoid the topic in hand be man enough to apologize.

I just went through each of your post in this thread. I cannot find where you noted the author or a statement that you copied and pasted. Plagiarism is a crime. I'm sure you're man enough to admit you were trying to pass someone else's thoughts of as your own. Polly want a cracker you parrot?

[marcus300]

What a strange thread

[bass]

my head hurts...

[Capebuffalo]

my head hurts...

May be a tumor. You should have that looked at.