No, that's not the case at all. Kind of all made up actually. You speak so much about TV and news, i'm starting to wonder if you're the one who is brain-washed. Stop watching so much TV.Originally Posted by davidtheman100
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No, that's not the case at all. Kind of all made up actually. You speak so much about TV and news, i'm starting to wonder if you're the one who is brain-washed. Stop watching so much TV.
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Of corse you don't HAVE TO respect law enforcement. You don't HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. That's not what i'm saying. I just think that their jobs should be respected because of how they do a good job of keeping the streets safe for the most part and there have been countless times officers have risked or lost their lives saving people. I am saying that i respect the 99.9% that aren't corrupt. I am in no way, shape or form condoning corrupt officers but not EVERY OFFICER is a piece of shit like you guys are widely agreeing on.
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Ok. I'll bite. So should the public be respected by police? Or is this another one way street with your theory? Because we ALL know that's not the case.
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It's not a one way street. Most cops respect people alot, more than we do them. Hence the reason they risk their lives for us which we wouldn't do for them. Also why they don't criticize when they're dealing with homeless or intoxicated people. They don't crack jokes about them, they don't laugh at them, like alot of the public does. They are trained to treat everyone well regardless of their standing on the social hierarchy. So in that aspect, i think that they're actually alot more respectful.
Citizens are alot worse, there are WAY MORE citizen crimes than law enforcement crimes. There is WAY MORE citizen judgement than law enforcement judgement. So that can justify maybe why they're more weary of people and don't trust them as much. There are many times where they aren't as careful as they could be and they end up losing their lives because of it.
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Cops are always looking for trouble makers, right? So it's human nature to be suspicious all the time. I get that. However, there's a point where a cop needs to make a decision before he/she becomes abusive, or worse, trigger happy. That decision making process is what the majority lack. This is mostly due to poor upbringings, lack of education and more than likely some sort of wacky experience(s) during previous years.
You can't deny that the majority of cops received an instant and tremendous boost to their confidence once handed a badge and a gun. You also cannot deny that the majority are unable to handle this boost of confidence properly, which is resulting in horrific judgement, oversight and miscalculations across the board.
There aren't many people with a "Save the world" attitude; and we know that salaries aren't exactly a recruitment tool.
Take a look at how many people are in jail today. Take a look at the crimes the majority committed. You'll find they're victim-less and harmless crimes. How many lives and families have to be ruined before we realize that cops are not being held responsible?
When was the last time a cop drove faster than the speed limit for no reason, and his/her partner in the very same car issued a speeding ticket? Are you telling me that the majority of cops are so honest that the majority would write that ticket? You don't need TV or news to know the answer. What makes anyone think that worse doesn't happen? Such as drug deals, or letting someone get away with a major crime because it's a friend or relative?
Do you think that Mom, the police officer would imprison her unlicensed 15 year old for taking her car for a joy ride? My mind is a bit boggled right now because I have a feeling you might say yes.
Why can't you just admit that cops are not law abiding citizens and do not hold themselves to the same standard they hold the public? Why can't you just admit that they are not super-human?
Why can't we enforce laws with respect to cops, and why can't we have strict and severe punishment for their actions? In my opinion, a cop breaking a law is far worse, because of their choice in profession.
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I can't believe that everyone thinks you can categorize all cops by the actions of a few others who have done bad things. That is discriminatory. It's like saying a couple black people commit crimes so they all do? That's not very fair is it?
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I haven't had anything good to say about the police. In fact, I think the majority of them are shitbags. That doesn't mean there isn't a few good cops out there. Most will break the rules they see fit to varying degrees as their morals will allow.
But in this case, allegedly this kid provoked the cop by attempting to assault him. Now I'm not saying the kid got what he deserved, he didn't. What I am saying is if you got a guy who is carrying a loaded gun in front of you and he's bossing you around, you don't cop an attitude. If you are obedient, polite and trying to avoid confrontation, the likeliness of it escalating will be low.
If you're giving him attitude and being physically challenging, you should expect some sort of force to be used on you.
Best thing to do in the situation of dealing with cops is to be obedient and respectful. At the same time do not talk about anything with the police officer on hand. Request your right to representation in a respectful manner.
I'm sure if more people did this, there would be fewer incidents of police brutality.
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Here's some TV for you. Since you think everything on TV is untrue, tell me if this can be denied...
Now.. while you're watching, just think of how many people from the police department were involved in this deal, and how many of them decided to do the right thing. You'll find that MANY MANY MANY were involved, including high ranked officials and ZERO personnel decided to do the right thing. So is this department in it's entirety corrupt? A 9 day vacation... really?
According to your theory and strange calculations about the majority being good, that would mean this cop that caused this accident is the ONLY bad cop. You tell me...
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You aren't holding them to the same standard either. The mom wouldn't, and neither would the police officer that didn't know the girl. Cops have been known to just give people warnings on the minor incidents you're talking about. Sometimes do they give them tickets when they feel like they aren't being respected or sucked up to? Probably. But the ticket they give after that isn't unjustified in the first place.
People know the laws, and the punishments that people receive for certain crimes have absolutely nothing to do with the cops. The police just do the incarcerating. So if someone's life is ruined because of a crime they committed, it's because they weren't aware of what the consequences could be if they did it. Or else they wouldn't have done it. It's time for you to start holding people who commit crimes accountable for what they do. No such thing as a harsh consequence that's a cops fault, because they don't determine the persons fate past being jailed.
Like i said before, cops are on a very short leash. They get fired all the time for breaking small rules, it's just not as appealing to the media when a cop is fired for several misdemeanors which is why you don't hear about it as much. But it DOES HAPPEN EVERY DAY.
To be a cop you have to have little to no criminal record if not little none at all. So basically you're saying that they are good citizens their whole life, they want to be a police officer so they can contribute to society. They go through training, but once they get their badge and gun, they turn into a self confident douche bag who is corrupt and breaks laws in an instant? Something isn't adding up here.
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Missing the point AGAIN. You are saying that cops are not required to be lawful.
Got it. That's your stance. Here's mine...
If you're going to be a cop, hold yourself responsible as you do others. That NEVER happens.
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Show me where i said cops shouldn't be lawful lol?
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That's not a lawful cop. I don't care what you think is minor or major. Many so called minor incidents have killed people. You also admitted that tickets are given when they arent sucked up to. What a shame. What a shame.You aren't holding them to the same standard either. The mom wouldn't, and neither would the police officer that didn't know the girl. Cops have been known to just give people warnings on the minor incidents you're talking about. Sometimes do they give them tickets when they feel like they aren't being respected or sucked up to? Probably. But the ticket they give after that isn't unjustified in the first place.
There.
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Yeah i did. But the ticket is JUSTIFIED because they BROKE THE LAW anyway. So if you treat them well they won't give it at all. I think that's a very FAIR ORDEAL DONT YOU? I mean it happens all the time in society, people suck up for their jobs, people suck up to their teachers for grades etc. but you don't think that's unlawful because you're a walking contradiction of a person.
So you just said look at all the jails and see that all the offenses are all small and minor things that can ruin peoples lives. Yet at the same time, you're saying that they should be incarcerated every time regardless of the mildness of the crime.
Like i said, a human contradiction.
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SHOW ME IN THE LAW WHERE IT STATES ALL CITIZENS MUST SUCK UP TO COPS.
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This is ridiculous, Cop. Also, I don't think you know what contradiction means. I think you just like saying it.
Later, Cop.
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You contradicted yourself 3 times and then called me a cop, when i'm not. Then you told me that i said all citizens should suck up to cops, when i didn't say that either.
Solid argument, really convincing. You must be a student of the law!
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Look at the quote above where I bolded your text and you accepted the fact. Oh, and I could argue the law very well, and bring treble damages, thank you.
I'll save you some time...
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Yup, confirmed it. You should write down that definition on a little piece of paper so you can read it every time you get into an online argument so you don't look stupid.
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Might be off topic by now skipped some posts. Simple double standard law enforcement can give stickers to family and friends to place on their drivers license to not get ticketed.
true story. My parents neighbor highway patrol gave them one. A special license plate cover too. Ka92 I believe. Lets fellow coppers know they dont have to obey the laws eirher.
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That's not right, but it's not a huge deal. And that certainly isn't enough to call the majority of cops corrupt as a whole. People who work at Dunkin Donuts sometimes, take home donuts free when that's not in their job description. So it's basically stealing because everybody has had to pay for donuts all day, but since they work their, they get them free?
DUNKIN DONUTS WORKERS ARE CORRUPT DONUT STEALERS IT'S BULLSHIT
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wow. You are seriously unstable. You're justifying police corruption because dunkin donut employees steal donuts? That's your justification?
Amazing. You just made a massive fool out of yourself.
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If your definition of police corruption, is giving their daughters a little leeway when they take the car without a license, or speeding without having a reason. You're the one that's a fool.
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Sorry to break your heart also while you're on your "trying to be funny" rant, but Dana Linn Bailey is on steroids too
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lol. Go to your room, Kid. None of this matters anyway. The important thing is that everyone here now knows you're a cop. We always expose them. No big deal, but no need to lie about it.
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You've officially become the king of making things up. Colorful imagination really.
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Lmao. I've had personal experiences with cops many times. I distrust them as a whole but do know a very select few who are actually decent. My cousin is married to a cop and he's a hypocritical prick at times.
Yes I love donuts and bacon....NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM.
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I bet I could DB press more than your cousin's cop mate. While eating donuts.Lmao. I've had personal experiences with cops many times. I distrust them as a whole but do know a very select few who are actually decent. My cousin is married to a cop and he's a hypocritical prick at times
Yes I love donuts and bacon....NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM.
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When are you coming over? Call me.
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The king of making things up strikes again
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Cops are not what they use to be. They use to be to serve and protect. Now they are another form of crowd control and an armed militia. The police are not out there making any friends, getting to know anyone they are collecting revenue (speeding tickets) and working a job they just want to go home after. The recruiting for police has changed a lot over the years where now it's more about force, control and intimidation instead of working for the citizens and trying to make them/us feel more at ease.
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lmao cops were never there to serve & protect well maybe if you were white middle class citizen but since day one cops have been brutalizing,killing etc minorities.Lol shit half of the LE in the south during the civil rights movement were in the kkk
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It's because cops used to be able to pull a kid aside when he did something and give them a smack and tell him that they'll **** him up if he ever did something again. But now, parents will complain etc. and sue so they have to be extremely careful with how they treat people and can't make friends because of how everyone like you guys is looking for one small thing for them to do wrong so that you can call them corrupt.
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So you're admitting a cop is now allowed to threaten a kid? Did you go full blown retarded? That same kid's parents have no right to threaten to fukk up their child. It's called child abuse, endangering the welfare of a minor, etc.
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Well that could be a big part of the reason he is no longer with us. Sorry but I got my ass whopped more than once and it did teach me to not do stupid things like shop lift because I had the fear of not being able to sit down for a week if I got caught and the good thing is I'm still here to be able to talk about it.
Threatening a kid and a good ass whooping is perfectly acceptable and is even legal and is not child abuse. Yes it can go to far but those people who would cross that line are going to anyways no mater what the law says you can and cant do.
I know people are going to have different perceptions on this especially due to personal experiences. Sorry to those who were abused but the law didnt make it OK or not, that was the abusive parents fault. I got spankings from both my mother and father and neither of them ever abused me.
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Discipline /= 'fukking them up"
You're lucky you're still here to talk about it. Others have not had your luck. I've been spanked and beaten myself. It did jack towards making me who I am today. I'd misbehave just to get hit again and see how much I could take. Then beatings stopped working and other resorts had to be taken. Again, it didn't do anything and was actually counter productive by making me want to do it more.
In general, the NJ definition for physical child abuse states that a parent’s punishment of a child would need to lead to a serious injury to be classified as child abuse, so the court’s actual decision isn’t the story.
However, the court’s comment that the act is “hardly admirable” is important for two reasons.
First, research overwhelmingly shows that there are alternatives to spanking (or in this case “slapping a child in the face”) that are more effective in raising and disciplining a child — which is the point.
Striking a child has been shown to increase negative behaviors, including aggression, in children. When someone is hit, whether it’s an adult or a child, a natural reaction is hostility, fear, anger, and resentment. There is research that points out that children experience these same emotions and it affects their future behavior and attitudes — the same as it would an adult.
Second, research also shows that hitting a child as a disciplinary measure simply doesn’t work. It may change an immediate behavior due to the child’s fear of being hit again, but research shows that children who are hit are more likely to be misbehave after five years than children who weren’t hit.
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Exactly. So next time don't ask why cops are weary of people and don't act like a dumbass and wonder why they're cautious with people. Because they can't win with people like you, you're looking for them to do anything out of the ordinary so you can complain to someone but yet you expect sympathy and to be treated like a king when you're incarcerated. I suppose you think they should let the people take their own things out of their pocket too when they're arrested so the police aren't "invading their personal space.
It's not a matter of me admitting anything because i don't make the rules. I'm just saying how it was. Cops were MUCH MORE lenient years ago
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They aren't cautious with ppl. They're overly aggressive with them. I'm looking for them to be beholden to the same laws I am, the same laws they swore to serve and enforce which just doesn't happen.
I've been in jail before. I expect no sympathy from anybody let alone the piggies. But when they robbed me twice don't expect them to get my sympathy. When they give me a ticket for going 7mph over the limit and they pull off in a cloud of smoke easily doubling the limit don't expect me to sympathize with them. When they beat me with a baton for talking back and questioning their authority don't expect me to have sympathy for them.
Last time I was pulled over they actually allowed me to empty my own pockets. Of course they checked afterwards but woohoo my civil liberties are intact now that I could empty my own pockets.
No you don't make the rules and neither do I but you damn sure don't seem to question them when they break those rules and have no problem talking shit about the civilians that do.
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Didnt someone mention donuts? Its a cop thread, there has to be donuts. Doc I think you were supposed to be bringing them...wtf ?
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I have 10 dozen fresh donuts but Austin is bringing the bacon
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I am mainly Lebanese but with a little bit of Turkish and other mixes in there.
One of my exes and I used to frequent Cafe Fayrouz over on Steinway St in Qns back in the day. Weekends would have live Lebanese music, belly dancers, hookahs, and great Lebanese food. Went with my current gf around a month ago and the place is half the size, play hip hop music which I like but was hoping for Arabic music, and no dancers lol.
Two of my favorite spots are Ilili restaurant and Byblos restaurant. Former on 5th Ave and latter on Madison but about 2 blocks from each other. Both had good food and service last time I went.
I agree, if a manhattanite leaves to go to Qns to eat it does say a lot. I'm interested since I don't live far from the city and the girl is from BK we are always around there. What's the place if you don't mind sharing? If you like Spanish food I could put you on a few really good hole in the walls lol.
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Wafa's is the name of the place. Its on met ave in forest hills. Its a no frills place but the food is excellent. She makes everything herself. The owner that is. Look on Yelp she has tons of reviews.I am mainly Lebanese but with a little bit of Turkish and other mixes in there.
One of my exes and I used to frequent Cafe Fayrouz over on Steinway St in Qns back in the day. Weekends would have live Lebanese music, belly dancers, hookahs, and great Lebanese food. Went with my current gf around a month ago and the place is half the size, play hip hop music which I like but was hoping for Arabic music, and no dancers lol
Two of my favorite spots are Ilili restaurant and Byblos restaurant. Former on 5th Ave and latter on Madison but about 2 blocks from each other. Both had good food and service last time I went.
I agree, if a manhattanite leaves to go to Qns to eat it does say a lot. I'm interested since I don't live far from the city and the girl is from BK we are always around there. What's the place if you don't mind sharing? If you like Spanish food I could put you on a few really good hole in the walls lol.
Send me a Turkish place in Brooklyn if you have one. I ate Turkish in Brighton Beach awhile back and the food was awesome but I never searched out a place since then. I grew up on Long Island so I didn't have much interaction with middle Eastern people or their food and I never realized how freaking good it is. Or how god damn hot the women are.
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