Beware of taking pre-workout supplements while using steroids!

[kinetixtrainer]

I currently have C4 and I'm not that fond of it. I think I actually prefer a redbull.

[OxyJen]

This is interesting. I have always taken a pwo but I think it's more out of habit. Recently I have been thinking about giving it up. Now that i see it can mess with libido I am definitely stopping. Mainly because over the past few months, maybe even a year I have noticed it is getting harder to orgasm (not trying to be Pervy) I wonder if that is why.... Going to test it out. I don't feel like I need the PWO anyways.

[Proximal]

Please keep in mind that testosterone also dilates the arteries, but when hematocrit levels become excessively high you can have a stroke. You don't even have to be working out to experience a stroke from excessively high hematocrit levels. When you add a very rapid heart beat into the mix by taking certain pre-workout ssupplements it puts you at risk. Taking excessive amounts of caffeine right before lifting weights can cause a potentially problematic spike in your blood pressure levels. This can cause both heart and kidney damage over time. Ive worked with enough people who were on dialysis and who have pacemakers to be aware of the consequences of high blood pressure.

Stimulants also cause vasoconstriction. So depending upon the strength/mixture of the pre-workout, you can be playing with fire. Nasty equation: vasoconstriction, plus elevated heart rate from the workout, plus blood pressure driven up by the workout, then potentially add viscous blood from an elevated hematocrit - you may be looking at creating vascular damage that is going to manifest itself later in life - for instance damaging small arterioles in your brain and setting up a future aneurysm, leading to a CVA. Great thread, I personally think pre-workouts might be the most dangerous over-the-counter supplement out there. I'm new to the forum, but have been involved with medicine/fitness since my 20's - I'm currently 57.

[Proximal]

You sound like Ronnie talking...lol...I have to agree with you boys....

After reading his multiple posts and me just being a new member, I'll take that as the ultimate compliment - thanks!

[strawberryjam]

The pre-workout Craze by the company Driven Sports – marketed as containing natural substances and named 2012’s “New Supplement of the Year” by Bodybuilding.com – was found to have contained lethal doses of the compound N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine, a chemical similar to methamphetamine."

What are the lethal doses of N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine ?

[RipperAl]

Kindle version of this book?

Edit**Sorry I meant to quote Ronnie's book and I guess it didn't, I was hoping to get a kindle version instead.

[Euroholic]

Steak, eggs and chips are the best pre workout for me

[Ashop]

What are the lethal doses of N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine ?

Good question. I have used a few tubs of this personally and never any ill effects. Perhaps lethal if you ingested the whole container??

[tempest818]

Hell, go to powdercity or somwhere else and buy bulk caffeine anhydrous ,,,youll get like a years supply for less than 30 bux and you can dose it yourself and its more potent than the other forms of caffeine put into the preworkouts.

[funnyman]

BCAA's like xtend has been perfect for me as a pre wo. U feel hydrated, great, and motivated

[Ronnie Rowland]

What are the lethal doses of N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine ?

I don't think anyone can answer this question with accuracy.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Kindle version of this book?

Edit**Sorry I meant to quote Ronnie's book and I guess it didn't, I was hoping to get a kindle version instead.

Not yet! So far all we have is the print version.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Steak, eggs and chips are the best pre workout for me

It's the salt from the chips causing your muscles to pump. The fats are providing you with more sustained energy during workouts. The Functional Diet explains why consuming fats pre-workout is very important if your working out later in the day. Here's a link to "The Functional Diet" - http://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutri...onal-diet.html