Kratom...anyone know or use this?

[MuscleScience]

White indo like jstone suggested.

My lady had an ovarian cyst and it finally ruptured last night. She was in a ton of pain. I had her try the lowest dose. It cleared up her pain and menstral cramps within 30 min of taking it. She is crunchy and only like natural and organic products. So she will not under any circumstances take medication. Lucky she was open to that, and man did it make her night, and mine way better. This stuff is a miracle lol

[almostgone]

Muscle Sci, have you seen any solid proof that Kratom would show as a false positive for opiates on a 5 panel urinalysis? I saw just a few scattered incidents, but going by the way the info was presented, I was inclined to think that the people in question had actually used opiates or purchased Kratom adulterated with some form of an opiate.
Edit: I would love to give this stuff a try but also have to maintain my employment.

[MuscleScience]

Muscle Sci, have you seen any solid proof that Kratom would show as a false positive for opiates on a 5 panel urinalysis? I saw just a few scattered incidents, but going by the way the info was presented, I was inclined to think that the people in question had actually used opiates or purchased Kratom adulterated with some form of an opiate.
Edit: I would love to give this stuff a try but also have to maintain my employment.

From what I understand, the two main active compounds are not chemically similar to opioids as they are alkaloids. Even though they activate the mu-opoide receptor. I think the only way you would test positive is if it were contaminated.

[almostgone]

Gracias, MuscleSci. That was the impression I had, but wanted to get more input. Might have to make test purchase of some Kratom.

[TKS]

You guys want kratom at a great price, I can point you to it.

[almostgone]

You guys want kratom at a great price, "I can point you to it

Sorry about the loss of your friend, but you need to have Admin's permission to sell anything.

[TKS]

Sorry about the loss of your friend, but you need to have Admin's permission to sell anything.

I'll talk to admin here, maybe I'll sponsor here. I go by Lordsks on all the other forums, Outlaw, ProM, Peakmuscle, Hardcore underground, and many more. Not really a sales pitch as the funds are going back to the family. I sell premium kratom, if you google the kratom syndicate youtube I have about 20 independent reviews done. Some of the best kratom on the market. I sponsor on 4 other forums now.

[marcus300]

I'll talk to admin here, maybe I'll sponsor here. I go by Lordsks on all the other forums, Outlaw, ProM, Peakmuscle, Hardcore underground, and many more. Not really a sales pitch as the funds are going back to the family. I sell premium kratom, if you google the kratom syndicate youtube I have about 20 independent reviews done. Some of the best kratom on the market. I sponsor on 4 other forums now.

I think you need to pm admin and ask for permission to advertise on here my friend

[almostgone]

I'll talk to admin here, maybe I'll sponsor here. I go by Lordsks on all the other forums, Outlaw, ProM, Peakmuscle, Hardcore underground, and many more. Not really a sales pitch as the funds are going back to the family. I sell premium kratom, if you google the kratom syndicate youtube I have about 20 independent reviews done. Some of the best kratom on the market. I sponsor on 4 other forums now.

I contacted *Admin* for you. In the meantime, it would be nice if we had a post about various ways of preparing this. Making a tea, ingesting it, etc. I'm sure some would find a "Kratom for Beginners" type post (without any direct advertising) very helpful!

[TKS]

I contacted *Admin* for you. In the meantime, it would be nice if we had a post about various ways of preparing this. Making a tea, ingesting it, etc. I'm sure some would find a "Kratom for Beginners" type post (without any direct advertising) very helpful!

Sure I have a bunch of info, I have my own kratom forum. I'll post a few things here

[marcus300]

what a sales pitch lmfao

[MuscleScience]

Ouch! Glad she had access to something for relief. I've heard that is extremely painful for the ladies. Definitely sounds brutal.
I've got to at least grab a sample pack of.this stuff.

Yeah, she passed about a golf ball sized blood clot yesterday. Had this not happened to her before and knew what was going on I would have rushed her to the ER. I feel terrible for her when this happens. She gets it about once a year. She has a retro posed uterus which increases her risk of cysts and painful cramping. Not to get into gory detail and all.

[almostgone]

Yeah, she passed about a golf ball sized blood clot yesterday. Had this not happened to her before and knew what was going on I would have rushed her to the ER. I feel terrible for her when this happens. She gets it about once a year. She has a retro posed uterus which increases her risk of cysts and painful cramping. Not to get into gory detail and all.

Totally understand. My wife battled with endometriosis and had several miscarriages when she was younger. She used to have terrible bouts with pain and cramping(more than the normal monthly cramps). She is very reluctant to take anything for pain as even Advil literally make her sleepy.
Nowadays, she suffers with arthritis and it's almost impossible to get her to consistently take script Nsaids for more than a few days, so that was another reason I thought of.trying Kratom.
You just literally ingest this right? Or is it better absorbed as a tea? Hell, if It will help her, I get her to go redneck and put a pinch of it between her cheek and gum.

[MuscleScience]

Totally understand. My wife battled with endometriosis and had several miscarriages when she was younger. She used to have terrible bouts with pain and cramping(more than the normal monthly cramps). She is very reluctant to take anything for pain as even Advil literally make her sleepy.
Nowadays, she suffers with arthritis and it's almost impossible to get her to consistently take script Nsaids for more than a few days, so that was another reason I thought of.trying Kratom.
You just literally ingest this right? Or is it better absorbed as a tea? Hell, if It will help her, I get her to go redneck and put a pinch of it between her cheek and gum.

I've just been mixing it into water and chugging it. It actually taste a lot like kava tea.

I am thinking about seeing if you can put the powder into a coffee machine and brewing it. I mean Kratom is a species of coffee tree. Mix it with some creamer and stevia and you got a nice morning coffee is my thought. I am going to research it more and see if that works or not. I can't see why it wouldn't, maybe someone here has done it already?

[MuscleScience]

Ok, I guess there are whole forums dedicated to this topic. So scratch the brewing method I guess.

Found a tea recipe:

Some people eat their kratom but being an old-timer I like the ritual of extracting it into tea. I've been doing it twice daily for a long time now and I'd like to share my method.

If one has leaf, either crushed or whole, the extraction will benefit from grinding the leaf a bit in a coffee grinder or mini food-processor. The more surface area, the more alkaloids will theoretically be extracted (though I'll say that with little tolerance, coursely ground leaf provides plenty of effect). I don't sweat trying to get it as fine as the powders that are sold, it seems to be equi-potent... ymmv as always. Powders need no preparation. Don't ask me about those new-fangled "extracts" or "resins", because I don't know!

Using a small saucepan (mine is 8" x 2") over medium heat, bring just a touch over 1 cup (a full coffee cup) of water and one dose (10g or less) of kratom to a very light boil - just over a simmer. Boil for 15 minutes.

"In my house, this leaves 1/2 cup of liquid. If using more kratom, or making it for two or more, my rule of thumb, for the saucepan I use, is to start with 1/2 cup water over the desired total - for two doses, shooting for 1/2 cup each, I'd use 1.5 cups of water, and for a hefty dose I'd add a bit also to prevent it from boiling down too far. I add just a touch more liquid when using self-ground leaf than with powder. Doubtless you may have slightly different results or preferences than I, and may need to add or subtract water to suit your conditions. If in doubt, use too much water, as you can always boil it off at the end at a loss of only time!

Decant the pan at 45 degrees for 15 seconds or so - this will gather the material in a clump which makes pouring easier. Then pour it slowly through either a metal coffee filter (for powder) or a wire strainer (for ground leaf), using a spoon to block the solids from the drippings, and then also to squeeze most of the liquids from the kratom. It's not essential to squeeze it all out the first time, as you'll be doing one more extraction.

Put another 1 cup of water and (after squeezing) any leftovers in your strainer into the pan, and put it back on the burner. While waiting for this to boil again, it's time to enjoy the first extract! Add 2 tsp of the sweetener(s) of your choice, and 1 tsp lemon juice (just my suggestion of course) and drink down.

Boil the kratom for 15 minutes again as before, except for making a better effort to get every last drop of the liquid out of the kratom. This extraction will taste much better and have far less actives. I tried doing a 3rd extraction once, for the hell of it, and my beautiful assistant, who was familiar with kratom but who had no tolerance, stated that it had a very slight effect, take that for what it's worth.

Obviously this isn't the only way to take kratom, but it's worked for me for a long time, and I thought that some other people might find it useful also."

[almostgone]

I'm ordering some when I get up this afternoon. I didn't see white indo, but saw white vein Borneo or.something like that. Figured I wouldn't start off with the private reserve or anuthing. Just the basic level green indo and go for it?
Appreciate your help, MuscleSci. I've gotten the wife to eat some medicinal brownies years ago and she had no problem with it until we were watching Green Acres on TV. The little pig walked into the room and she totally lost it. Couldn't quit.laughing and had tears coming out of her eyes . I believe she will try this much quicker than a pill from a bottle. Plus, I am fairly high mileage and have my share of aches and pains.

[almostgone]

Thanks for the help, MuscleSci. I just ordered 4 oz. each of the Green Vein Malay and the Private Reserve Green Indo. That should be sufficient for a test drive?

[MuscleScience]

I'm ordering some when I get up this afternoon. I didn't see white indo, but saw white vein Borneo or.something like that. Figured I wouldn't start off with the private reserve or anuthing. Just the basic level green indo and go for it?
Appreciate your help, MuscleSci. I've gotten the wife to eat some medicinal brownies years ago and she had no problem with it until we were watching Green Acres on TV. The little pig walked into the room and she totally lost it. Couldn't quit.laughing and had tears coming out of her eyes . I believe she will try this much quicker than a pill from a bottle. Plus, I am fairly high mileage and have my share of aches and pains.

I got private reserve green indo, 8 oz for like 70 bucks.

[NACH3]

I got private reserve green indo, 8 oz for like 70 bucks.

I'm definitely grabbing some as soon as I can(I'll try the place Stone/& Vette dealt with.. I think I'll be sticking with the Green indo as well... Hearing nothing but good things!

[MuscleScience]

So another great example of how great this stuff works for me. I woke up this morning and my midback was 100% flared up.

Do describe it, it's different than a low back or a neck injury. I have three badly ruptured disc in my mid back from a lifting accident in highschool. A couple of them are pressing directly on my spinal cord and the third is sitting on the nerve root. When they inflame or are aggregated, my whole right side turns into a giant constricture and the muscle that I tore in the process of the injury balls up to about the size of a halved baseball. The cord compression causes some bowel issues though not severe.

Normally, I would have to wait 3-4 days for it to calm down or take a high end pain med or muscle relaxer. Both would cause me to not be able to go to the gym. So today, it went out, I took a small dose or Kratom and was able to go to the gym and have a good workout and not suffer or really notice my back. It seems like it instantly causes the muscle to relax and relieve some of the compression on the segments in question.

[almostgone]

Posted up just before you did. Made my purchase and will see how it goes. Got to get some sleep. Want to work legs before Into.to work tonight. Gotta get horizontal and grab some Zzzzs.

[MuscleScience]

I'm gonna try the Bali are you doing powder?

Yeah,

[Bio-Active]

Yeah,

I found some here local so gonna give it a shot and post up. I am gonna start low so were do you think i should start dose wise and how often?

[MuscleScience]

I found some here local so gonna give it a shot and post up. I am gonna start low so were do you think i should start dose wise and how often?

I think I started at 5-6g at first. I only do it as needed.

[Bio-Active]

I think I started at 5-6g at first. I only do it as needed.

I never get that debilitating back pain anymore but there is definitely dull ache that only goes away when I lay down or rotate sitting often. If I do much bending it will get pretty sore but never like it did when I felt the discogenic and the nerve pain. It's more like an annoying dull ache that I got from doing the pt that just never went away. It's been years since I stopped the pt

[Bio-Active]

I'm really liking this thread ! I'm using my Kratom pre workout

[CrossOps]

It may have passed for now from being banned, but they are already starting to turn up the heat on the visa / mastercard networks and shutting merchant accounts down. Banks are now really pressing it more than before. And for the ecommerce and mobile merchant based companies they are now trying to get certain actions (false sales reporting, cloaking of what is being sold, white hat and black hat based functions to elude tracking) labeled as Felonious (Felony Fraud). Is that even a word though?

Simply Put: if you are selling this, they want your ability to send and receive funds shut down. And, EVEN IF you could use a method of Voucher Based Systems or Crypto Based Currencies, they will still go after the sponsoring bank.

Ask me how I know

[MuscleScience]

It may have passed for now from being banned, but they are already starting to turn up the heat on the visa / mastercard networks and shutting merchant accounts down. Banks are now really pressing it more than before. And for the ecommerce and mobile merchant based companies they are now trying to get certain actions (false sales reporting, cloaking of what is being sold, white hat and black hat based functions to elude tracking) labeled as Felonious (Felony Fraud). Is that even a word though?

Simply Put: if you are selling this, they want your ability to send and receive funds shut down. And, EVEN IF you could use a method of Voucher Based Systems or Crypto Based Currencies, they will still go after the sponsoring bank.

Ask me how I know

Land of the free.

[CrossOps]

Land of the free.

I'm with you brother, just stating the industry as it is.

[RaginCajun]

so, anyone using it currently?

effects?

[CrossOps]

so, anyone using it currently?

effects?

It works VERY powerfully. More of a cerebral effect than CBD (Cannabinoids), however... CBD is MUCH better at body homeostasis management, and a SICK repair tool for ligaments and other muscle groups. Cannabinoids are an absolute way or cheating for recovery. Hands down, end of discussion. We have run so many GScope and LLT's at our company on cannabinoids, that I cant see straight. While cold pressed hemp seed oil works great, if you can get a TRUE organic hemp leaf only based oil, jump on it. You want cold pressed, not sliced, not hybrid. I deal with a lot of the leading companies in reference to cannabinoids, and there are maybe three that are legitimately getting pure oils.

Kratom is ok for what it does, but if you want healing or recovery on overload, you take real CBD.

[almostgone]

so, anyone using it currently?

effects?

I do an "as needed" basis, RC. If you try it, start off low. Too much gives me a hangover type feeling. It took me a few times to find my "sweet spot".

[CrossOps]

I do an "as needed" basis, RC. If you try it, start off low. Too much gives me a hangover type feeling. It took me a few times to find my "sweet spot".

Which matches what others have said that I have spoken to about it. A slight entourage effect and depending on dosage strength, a slight laggy feeling the next morning.

[almostgone]

Which matches what others have said that I have spoken to about it. A slight entourage effect and depending on dosage strength, a slight laggy feeling the next morning.

Started @ 3g and it wasnt enough. ~5g is probably enough for me. 10g was a little too much.

[CrossOps]

Started @ 3g and it wasnt enough. ~5g is probably enough for me. 10g was a little too much.

I've had access to it, just haven't had the nerves to try it. I don't want to be "that guy" that has some unexpected adverse reaction to it LOL.

[MuscleScience]

Hey MuscleScience, can you tell me what it does to you? What is it that you cant handle. I do not want to get in trouble, and Admin / Moderator let me know and I can edit this post but... MuscleSciene have you tried isolate or wax? If not, any chance we could work out a deal? I can send you free samples, but I would really like to know in private how it did or did not work for you. I just need some feedback on it.

In brief, I would love to test a different delivery method for CBD and would like to know how it worked.

I'm not in a state where it's legal to have even for medical purposes.

However, it causes me to feel like I can't breath, extreme paranoia, can't sleep, can't function just basically all around reactions that most people in a million years would ever get. I only take Kratom to help releave the constant pain and muscle spasm I have from my weightlifting accident.

[CrossOps]

Understood. I know there are a few state that have specific rules about CBD. When you took CBD did you get dry mouth? Abdominal pain? Diarrhea?

[TheRoof]

Chiming in to deliver the 'Kratom Bible'. Has tons of great info, just make sure you have adequate time!


...well it wouldn't let me post the link. Simply search 'The Kratom Bible'

[Cupid]

I have used Kratom.

I used to be an opiate addict (specifically Vicodin).

Kratom lightly stimulates your opiate receptors. You will get a little high. It does have addiction potential, especially for someone with previous history of painkiller addiction. It is definitely less addictive, but its still there. For me, when I went on it for a month straight, the withdrawals were about 2-3 days long. Much easier to wean off it. It will definitely help with pain and mood to a certain extent.

At the end of the day, it is a drug, and with come with all the same positives and negatives of other opiate drugs, just a little milder in both directions.

[MuscleScience]

Little update,

I am thankful Kratom hasn't got band. I had a very bad flare up
Of my back. One of the worst I have had. Luckily I have been able to control
The pain and muscle spasm almost 100%. I haven't even refilled my OxyContin prescription in 6 months at least. In the past I would be suffering all day, took a pill when I got home and be a waste of my night. Now I make myself a tea drink, wait 30 min then walk/run to the gym and get one in. This would have been unthinkable 6-8 months ago.