Keep the bazard !
TheInfamousApe
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He F*cking Sucks.....Kick him out!
He's doing at least semi-mediocre....Keep him in!
He is one of the best Presidents in the last 50 years.....except for juicing!
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Keep the bazard !
TheInfamousApe
-TheGorilla
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keep him in,he is the only president that has put money in my pocket
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Same here...and wait...I'm not part of the rich oil crowd either...how can that be?Originally Posted by jbol
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I have a question for Daddydbol. Will you agree that John Kerry served in Vietnam? I just did a little checking and did find that Bush wasn't AWOL during Vietnam. I was misinformed. I don't think Bush will be impeached, though I wish he would. I just happen to think that he's not doing a particularly great job as president. I've never met the man and he has a job I wouldn't want. Based upon the changes I've seen over his tenure I think new leadership is in order. Who is the right person for the job? I'm not sure yet. I like some of the things that John Edwards has to offer. He for one wants to do away with political lobbyists. Imagine the impact that would have on government. I liked some of the ideas Ralph Nader had. He wanted funding available for every college aged student to go to college. Can you imagine the impact that this would have on our economy in 10 to 20 years? I did receive some sort of tax refund in 2001 that Bush passed. If I remember it was like $163. I bought some whey protein. Am I living better now because of it. Nope. I do realize that changing people's minds is an exercise in futility (hey at least I got the right board cause we all like exercise) but I felt the need to express my views. Mark
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Ok bro, I'm not sure what your question was but I'll start with the easiest. The tax refund was to stimulate the economy. Do you know how to do that? You have to put the money back into the consumers hand because when Peter buys something from Paul that reduces his stock so Paul goes and buys some more for John. John then in turn must replenish his inventory, hence more spending. Thats the cycle. It wasn't meant to improve your lifestyle. Thats the democrap coming out in you, always want the goverment to help improve your lifestyle. Why don't you work harder and get a raise and YOU improve your lifestyle. Thats how the US was founded and how we became the great country we are. Now heres a question for you - Why do the democrats keep trying to prove that Bush was wrong with the weapons of mass destruction? Would you rather have a dictator back that kills his own people?
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let the insanity begin! john edwards?? yeah, just what we need...a trial lawyer calling the shots. so when a terrorist group attacks us again, we can just sue them! to say that things are worse than when bush took office is ridiculous. what exactly is worse? give me something worse that wasn't already going to sh*t while slick willy and his husband hitlary were in office.
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Yeh bro, I saw where he was coming from by the names he spitting out.
No flame Mark but bro you are killing me...
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stop and listen for one day to all the spoiled child-like whining and fingerpointing that bush has to put up with every day. if you SERIOUSLY think about itcan you tell me one good reason why bush should go?? and don't say iraq because we did what we should have done.
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Oh sorry I see the question, sure but so did alot of others, does that qualify all of them to run for president?
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We can't even bring Clinton up because he knew full well the danger rising in the middle east and did nothing to stop it, hell he just had one more year to slide by. Why start trouble?
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does anyone have any high BP meds they can give me?? my head is just about ready to blow off!!
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Daddydbol, I hereby apologize for any health issues my replies might be causing. This will be my last reply on this thread. I have had fun discussing conflicting views on this with you. I wish you nothing but the best. Mark
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Don't do that sh*t bro, trying to bow out with diginity when you can't win...
j/k bro, I have had fun too and without all this what would we do with the day....
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You can't argue with blind partisanship.
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here is a thought for us all, I am not sure you all are aware of actually how much of an idiot Al Gore really is, but check out his books, he is a ****ing puppet of a party with nothing better at the time. If he were elected, could you really see Al Gore gathering the nation together and kicking some ass? Hell no, all you people that say you wish he wasn't in office must realize what would have been there and that is a far worst predicament than the one we're in now.
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amen brother...I don't think any of us will say that GB has done everything exactly like each of us would want...mainly because it would be impossible for all of us here to agree on each and every topic...compound that number into the millions in american...well you get the point...
He has done well with the hand he was given.
peace,
ttgb
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Im not even gonna read one single post in this thread. I am too busy with the other thread about voting for Bush. Cant you guys just consolidate into the same thread.
Same discussion, just different place. Next there will probably be a thread about IRAQ and if we should be there or not (absolutely no sarcasm on that one)
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Keep him,,,,**** Liberals...I guess the people that want him out didnt have a family member die Sept 11,,,,,,
Hitter
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If Bush was impeached, we'd end up with the VP taking his place. He may be too intimately involved with oil and defense corporations, but at least he has a brain.
Every president has crazy people who plot to impeach 'em. I don't think it's ever a good idea unless he's done something really awful, and Bush, even though he's turned a budget surplus into the biggest deficit in history, and even though he's sent over 500 Americans to die in Iraq for nothing, hasn't reached that point yet. It's just the sort of political crap that both major parties generate . . .
--Tock
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I know this is dead but bro whats that crap about 500 Americans sent to die for nothing? You must be as stupid as your family looks in your av, they died defending us and our way of life you dumb f*ck. I can't believe that someone would even say that, where are you from, france? Those people that had to decide weather to jump to their deaths or burn alive is nothing to you? I guess you didn't loose anyone on 9-11 even though by the looks of your family a little cleaning of the gene pool might not be such a bad idea. This is meant as a flame because I can't believe any human on this earth that has a brain can say that those soilders are getting killed for nothing. It saddens me to think that scum like you get to benefit in what they are doing over there while your little a s s is sitting over here saying that they are accomplishing nothing. Unbelievable.
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. . . even though he's sent over 500 Americans to die in Iraq for nothing, hasn't reached that point . . .
--Tock
Your're right . . . "for nothing" was the wrong phrase. Those guys died following the orders of the Commander In Chief who's supposed to know what he's doing. But he doesn't. "Needlessly" is what I should have said, because there were no WMD's like Bush said there were. Had he not been so anxious to start a war, he could have waited the 60 days the UN asked for, and then had multilateral participation in the war. With UN backing, the Arabs (and the rest of the world) wouldn't perceive the US as a big bully. And now, Bush needs the UN to help in slowing down the proliferation of nuclear technology--he's discovering that the US can't go it alone after all . . .
And for what it's worth, I put my time in the military, was available for President Ford to send my butt off to Korea when a US vessel strayed into their coastal waters and was captured . . . I'd probably still be in right now if they hadn't kicked my ass out just for being gay. I liked the military life, it suited me well, had a great time. Woulda been nice to retire in 2005 with 30 years in . . .
Have you done your time in the military yet?
--Tock
btw--no need to call names . . . and no, that's not my family in my avatar . . .
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Who didnt support us? Last I thought, we had some 60 countries backing us.
Who didnt support us? France, Russia?? Think 60 days would have helped even though we already waited 10 years???
God I could just reply to every sentence you type for days and laugh at each one.....
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Hold some knitting needles and I'm sure we'd all be reminded of Madame DeFarge.
--Tock
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John Edwards the ambulance chasing trial lawyer wants to do away with the lobbyists? bwwwwwwaaaahahahahahahahahahahhathat is too funny to even answer.
Bush for sure - what other president have we had who could bench 225+?
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Bush for sure - what other president have we had who could bench 225+?
I'm less interested in that than whether or not he can balance anything, like a budget.
Folks used to bleat about the "tax and spend liberals," now they'll be bleating about "borrow and spend conservatives." What it comes down to is who's gonna pay the bills . . . us, or your kids?
--Tock
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Darn it tock, Im beginning to think you wouldnt like or vote for Bush even if he were gay and he, Cheney and Rumsfeld had a menage a toi'! you would come up with some reason just because the other person said the opposite...."he is just too butch" or "he is such a panzy", etc
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I can't believe you didn't get a rise out of tock with this reply...Tock...attack...get cycleon!!Darn it tock, Im beginning to think you wouldnt like or vote for Bush even if he were gay and he, Cheney and Rumsfeld had a menage a toi'! you would come up with some reason just because the other person said the opposite...."he is just too butch" or "he is such a panzy", etc
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Lets get this "straight" - I do NOT want to get any kind of "rise" out of tock - nosiree!I can't believe you didn't get a rise out of tock with this reply...Tock...attack...get cycleon!!
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tock, we are far past that. Our parent's parent's parents should have asked themselves that...think about it, there has been a lot that could have been prevented up until just this administration. Just because things suck at the present, some event in the past created it...think about that instead of blaming what you feel is most convienent for yourself.
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Well, the past is past, and all we have is tomorrow . . . but, ok, I'll vote Republican and we can continue on with this madness . . . and let y'all's kids pay for the mess.
--Tock
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Tock that was a little off.
Our spending on our non military budget only went up this year 1%. If my kids had to pay for something in the future, I would want it to be for there freedom not some lazy bastard to pretend like he was disabled and get paid SSI.
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This war was not necessary, and the quickest way to resolve the terrorist mess is to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian problem.
But the big problem isn't necessarily the small rise in non-military spending, or the big rise in military spending, it's the debt that's been put on the National Credit Card.
Back in the early 90's around 15 cents for every dollar paid in taxes went to pay interest on the national debt, and an awful lot of that went to the foreigners who own Treasury Bonds. The way that the taxes and spending are going, we'll be paying more $$$ in interest to foreigners than that.
Republicans used to be for less government, less spending, less taxes. They ain't that way any more. Democrats used to be for more spending, more taxes. Fewer and fewer of 'em are for that as much as they used to be, but there ain't too many of 'em that's worth a ****, much less a vote.
In 15 years or so the US is gonna be in deep doo-doo as baby boomers start retiring and start to collect their Social Security. The only options the Congress is gonna have to deal with it is (1) sell more Treasury Bonds and put the expense on the National Credit Card, (2) reduce payments (yeah, right), and (3) increase payroll taxes to take up the slack. Yah, YOUR payroll taxes, to pay ME for sitting on my big fat Gay Ass . . .
I'm sure you'll find at least one of these options that meets with your approval . . .
Yah, the big problem is that taxes don't cover what the politicians are spending. That's not a good thing.
--Tock
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you see? we are collecting our social security now
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Sure fine by me.. Let him go back to being a farmer or a ranch hand, or a professional assneck.. whatever the fuk he was doing..
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No thanks . . . he was Governor of Texas. The nice thing about him being president is that he's no longer here . . .
--Tock
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He'll be back...in about 5 years!!
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Who added something to my poll? Bush isn't one of the best presidents in the past 50 years. **** whoever added onto my poll!
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ewwww, I won't touch that. Tock yes, I will be paying for YOU to retire. But since you have such a huge problem with republicans and how they spend money, lets think of the dumbasses who signed the bill for social security in the first place....DEMOCRATS, you're beloved party. They ****ed us in the ass the second they signed that bill back in the 30's. Yeah, I'll be paying for it...I've come to accept that, yeah it sucks, but what does this administration and its spending on DEFENSE have to do with social security problems? That is why I don't understand you. You want to bash this administration for having to spend money on defense when we were forced to. What were we suppose to do when we got bombed/attacked and lost 6,000 people in a couple hours to terrorists? Sit around and say, hey, lets just fix Isreal. You got to be kidding me. I don't see how you can be pissy when WE as a nation were attacked and had to go up in arms...and it wasn't like we were attacked at some foreign embassy, it was here. You got some sort of brain fart and can't see past the negative liberal headlines to realize why we're in the postion we are in the first place, not just military spending, but the defecit, social security, income tax and yada yada yada that was set in place long before you and I were born.
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1) Ok.
2) Back in the 30's . . . in the middle of the Great Depression . . . unemployment was around 25%, life was awful for lots of people, and if you check back in the dustbins of history, both the socialist AND the communist parties were getting lots of new members. It made sense back then to our grandparents with hungry kids, standing in bread lines, willing to work 14 hour days for a dollar a day, that the gov't should take the resources from those who had it and give it to those who were desperately in need. Franklin Roosevelt knew that if he didn't come up with a few social programs to releive some of the pain Americans were going through, then the US would dump both the Democratic and Republican parties and would most likely turn socialist, maybe communist.
Roosevelt's social programs of the 30's blunted the advances of the American socialist and communist parties. The WPA cost plenty, but it gave millions of unemployed Americans hope for the future. Social Security gave the old folks a few $$$ to live on, bringing them up from abject destitution into degrading poverty. But it was an improvement over what they had.
. I agree that Social Security has probably grown too big, tries to do too much. Back when the program started, each person collecting benefits had around 25 people paying into the system. In a few years, there will be 2 or 3 people paying into the system for each beneficiary. Not good. Your taxes are gonna suck. And neither Republicans nor Democrats are gonna change anything until we have an economic crisis that makes change necessary (Americans typically don't make changes until they absolutely have to).
Look, the Republicans have the Executive branch, have had the Legislative branch, and Republicans have named more Supreme Court Judges than the Democrats. They could have changed Social Security, but they won't, 'cause it's politically unpopular to cut entitlement programs, especially programs for old people, 'cause they vote in greater percentages than young people ('cause young folks haven't learned they need to participate in the election process). So don't rag on me about the Democrats of the 30's starting Social Security . . . if it wasn't for Franklin Roosevelt, we'd probably be living under a socialist system nowadays.
3) The US would not have been targets of Arab terrorists had the US not been perceived as supporting Israeli intrusion on Palestinian territory. Plain and simple. That's the #1 thorn in the flesh, the big central problem, the fly in the ointment, the main reason they hate us. Problem is that in the US, it would be politically unpopular to pressure Israel to pull back to the boundries the UN set for it back in 1947. Special interest groups would withhold $$$ from any political candidate seeking re-election. So change ain't gonna happen. But anyone familiar with the whole Arab mess can tell ya, the key to solving the whole Middle East problem is to find an answer to the Palestinian question.
Yah, and as any doctor will tell ya, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If US foreign policy had done the right thing years ago, we wouldn't have the problems we've got today. Wouldn't be any Arab terrorists. Wouldn't have been any Arab oil embargos. Probably wouldn't even be an OPEC organization. And, most importantly, there wouldn't have been any 9/11 bombing. No future threats of bombing. No civil liberty-robbing Patriot Act. No need for security at airports, subways, etc. If only the US had done the right thing way back in the late 40's and 50's.
--Tock
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One more thing. HIND SIGHT is so easy to talk about. You are such a great MONDAY morning quarter-back saying how Sundays plays should have been different.
An ounce of prevention is a pound of cure. You quote yourself yet you dont even agree with anything you say. Isnt being in IRAY an OUNCE of prevention??
You say if US foriegn policy did it right in the 40s this wouldnt happen.
Well Im sure you would have disagreed with US foriegn policy in the 40s also. You would then proceed to say that WWI could have been prevented IF:
Give it up. Give up all your PEACE WILL SAVE US bull****.
An ounce of prevention. LMAO.
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