good stuff, and good read, just one ?, it sounds like your better off sticking with what works for you as far as gains go. Switching things up just for the sake of switchin isn't smart? Your saying to stick with the certain workouts that you are compfortable with and can tell your getting a good burn and your doing it correctly is more beneficial then trying to find new techniques your not familiar with. With benching you were talking about getting to muscle failiar even in the first set so are you starting with low weight or higher weight and then coming down. I'm a rook so sorry if i'm all over the place, I'm 6'1 250 and with the right diet and help I know I could make some serieous gains, just putting my time in on here. Keep it up thanx for the info
Ronnie,
First off, great write up on the slingshot training. Slingshot really makes sense; and I look forward to getting your book when it comes out. I am planning on cycling anabolics for the first time, but first I am going to do severals blasts to see how my body reacts the best. Anyways, here is what I was thinking so far while on cycle.
Here are my stats FYI....
Age - 24
Weight - 225
Height - 6'2''
BF - 14%
Training - 6yrs
8 week reload
500 Test E weekly, 30mg Dbol daily for first 4wks
I'll do a 6 day split working out twice a day and working muscles groups twice weekly.
First 3 days will be 3 primary movements ie: bench press, squats etc... here are the sets/reps
1) 1/4-6, 2/8-10, 1/12-15
2) 4/8-10
3) 4/8-10
The next three days will be secondary movement eg: Flyes, lateral raises etc...
1) 4/10-12
2) 4/10-12
3) 4/10-12
Here is the split:
AM PM
Day 1 - Chest/Calves Back
Day 2 - Shoulders/Traps Bi/tri/Forearms
Day 3 - Quads/Abs Hams
Repeat muscle groups for days 4-6 and rest on 7.
After 8 weeks of reload I will drop Test E to 250mg and begin a 2 week deload
During the deload I will do a 5 day split working muscle groups once a week. I will also do 3 movements per muscle group consisting of 2 primary and 1 secondary lift here are the rep ranges
1) 1/4-6, 2/8-10
2) 2/8-10
3) 1/10-12
Day 1 - Chest/Calves
Day 2 - Back/Forearms
Day 3 - Shoulders/Traps
Day 4 - Quads/Hams
Day 5 - Bis/Tris/Abs
Upon completion of deload I will begin a 6 week reload with the same split as before, but with different movements.
I will be off anabolics for the next 2 week deload with same split as before, but with different movements
The next 6 week reload will be when I start PCT and natural anabolic supps eg: creatine, NO xplode, HMB etc...
it will be a different split not consisting of 2 a days, but working muscle groups twice a week with the same heavy/light concept of the previous reloads.
This reload will be followed by a 2 week deload.
From here I will do 2 more 8 week blast cycles followed by a 2 week prime which will look like this:
I will do a 3 day split with 2 movements per bodypart for first week here are the reps/sets
1) 2/12-15
2) 2/12-15
The second week will only consist of cardio at 2 days a week.
Of course I will be dieting throughout this whole process. I just want some feedback as far as the splits, reps, and anabolic dosages.
Thank you for your time I look forward to hearing back from you!
Ronnie,
Thank you for your advice!!!
I just have a few more questions....
1) I am thinking of bumping Test E to 750mg a week for the 2nd 8 week reload, should I just stick to 2 500mg reloads? (this is my first cycle)
2) Should I add the Dbol for the first reload or the second?
- I was thinking only the first to jumpstart, but I have seen that you recommend adding for the 2nd reload...
Thank you!
Doc
Ronnie,
Just finished 20wk reload/deload now going on Pct . This is my first cycle , great gains.
So Pct and then wait 10 weeks before I start again do you think?
Im thinking Of adding 1 or 2 compounds next time , this cycle was 500mg Sust up to 750mg sust to 1000mg sust last 3 weeks. Gains slowed dramaticlly in last couple of weeks.
(I had no sides other than some very minor acne durin deload. I also didnt loose any weight in deload.)
Im thinking Dbol or Tbol to kickstart/ Test/Deca or Dbol or Tbol /Test/ Tren.
When do you recommend starting PCT after a Sust cycle, have I read in this thread that u recommend starting PCT sooner than 18 days.
Your advice appreciated.
Thanks
Ylfcm
Last edited by ylfcm; 04-17-2010 at 07:06 PM.
Sorry for not being able to answer everyone's question this weekend. I am dieting down for the SC. STATE BODYBUILDING SHOW and I am extremely training others and self at Golds. I need to get some new pictures up of my wife and I. We have made some nice progress over the past year.
Hang in there with me.I'll get to everyone's questions ASP.
Thank you,
Ronnie
No worries Ronnie!
Thank you so much for giving us your time and knowledge in spite of your busy schedule, you are truly appreciated! I wish you all the best in your coming competition, I'm sure you're gonna kick ass!
Looking forward in seeing pics and video from the show!
GBU
I've got some pics taken yesterday but they are on my wifes new cell phone and I am unable to down size the file and upload it to this site. If anyone knows how to do it before I go visit local ATT and have this phone set up propely I will gladly send them the pics by e-mail and allow them posted in this thread.
Go to post 263 on the last page in this link http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323739 and scroll down for latest pics! I am 5 weeks out from the show. I do not want to peak too early this year like I did last year.
hi their I'm a 45 year old mane 280lb i was in good shape till 40 220lb all natural body builder till they took my ephedrine a way an 40 came iv let my self go I'm trying to get back in to shape iv ben steady in the gem 4 the last 6 months but i just don't have the piss and vinegar like i once did I'm eaten high protein lowe cards I'm doing aerobic every other day but not drooping fat AR getting much back from my eferts in the gem I'm ready fore some steroids iv never dun them and don't no where to start what would be a good cycle fore me i want to put on mass and get rid of fat licke to look as good as Vincent mickman from the WWE wen I'm 50 that gives me 5 years pleas help
phase 1:
Reload 8 weeks (test enanthate 500 mgs per week)
Deload 2 weeks (test enanthate 250 mgs per week)
phase 2:
2nd 8 week reload (test enanthate 750 mgs per week)
2nd 2 week deload (test enanthate 250 mgs per week)
NOTE: Week 21: You could start pct but at your age I would start another 8 week reload by adding deca to the test this time around and tren would be next in line for 4th reload.
Ronnie, can you please answer my questions from page 19 when you have the time, thank you
can any human have a true good workout with this routine? it sounds too demanding. kind of like Mentzer's 1st heavy duty routines,you had to be superman to really pull it off.
from my own experience I can maybe do 6 good sets of failure,after that its mainly lagging the workout.
Ronnie -
I only have 6000mgs of test e, im going to run my first cycle, would this be ok:
week 1-8 - test 500mg week - reload
week 9-10 - test 250mg week - deload
week 11-12 - test 750mg week - reload
Also, I would start my PCT one week after my last injection? I will be taking hcg 250iu e3d during cycle, when should I stop the hcg? One more thing, I got gyno just from going through puberty, this more then likely means I will get gyno from a cycle correct? I didnt want to use an AI but I think i'll have too?
everyone....should put out a big thank you to.....mr ronnie rowland...the man is dieting down for the sc state bodybuilding show and is still answering everyones questions..a lot of folk would tell people to go f### off at this point..
Last edited by VASCULAR VINCE; 04-25-2010 at 04:17 PM.
Hey Ron, I'm 18 and thinking about trying steroids on your slingshot routine. Ive worked out for 11 months now and have made some pretty big gains for myself. i'm 5"10 165lbs with about a 5% bodyfat, just wondering what would be the best for me, my friends have recommended tren acetate
alright thanks. so if i run 500mg test prop every other day should i use ancillaries as well or just a pct?
or what about running test e 500mg a week with 25-50mg proviron?
Thanks Ron. I don't mean to over analyze, I just want to make sure I do everything right, as aas is a serious commitment IMO. As for the arimidex I bumped up from .25 eod to .5 eod, the itchy nips went away the very next day, so I was wondering if it would be okay for me to lower it back down to .25 eod again and feel it out? Or is that a no no?
thanks a lot ron. should i go injto another reload with test again or pct since its my first time using aas. if i pct what do you recommend?
First I want to say that in no way do I mean to steal Ron's "thunder" here, because he is THE man regarding aas, but he has been asked these SAME questions about 20 times throughout the course of this thread so far, and I feel for the guy having to answer the SAME questions over and over again.
Having said that, littledude:
Go back and read this ENTIRE thread starting with page 1. You will find all of your answers to the above questions you asked there, as well as a multitude of other useful/important info.
Again Ron, no disrespect. Tell me if I stepped out of line here. I just feel that your time is more valuable than having to answer a Q that you've already asnswered 20 times.
Thanks Ron! I'm 3 weeks into my first reload right now, and I already definitely notice awesome strength increases and some visual improvement as well. All of this while following your slingshot dieting outline! I can't imagine how much progress I'll make this winter when I bulk, which leads me to my next Q: What would be the ideal second blast? My first/current blast is test e only.
Test/deca?
Test/tren?
Test/masteron?
You tell me, thanks for everything Ron
I am currently running a testosterone suspension cycle (60 mg ed, 2/3 pins) with the addition of oxandrolone (70 mg ed).
Also, from the beginning I used mesterolone starting from 75 up to 150 mg ed.
Last week, on the same day I reached 90 mg ed of test susp and 150 mg ed of mest, I started to feel a strong tiredness, a severe lethargy which forced me not to work-out for a week almost.
I was waiting for my BW results and once I saw my estradiol was @ 150 (20-47) and my PRL @ 15 (2-13), I thought my lack of energy was due to the high amount of estrogens accumulated, even because I never took any AI or SERM till that day.
So, on the same day I started to take exemestane @ 25 mg ed and cabergoline first @ 0.25 mg ed then up to 0.5 mg ed. I also reduced the test susp to 60 mg ed and the mest to 100 mg ed.
The result after a week was nothing better than before.
So, I thought about getting rid of mesterolone, completely. I felt better during the day and slept better the following night and the tiredness disappeared.
So, since I am about to start week 8 of this cycle but have also put my hands on HGH, I am contemplating to keep going on with this cycle as per your suggestion on this thread with a deload and then a reload, adding of course somatropin to the aas.
Before writing down a possible cycle continuation, I would like to know from your experience if it is normal what happened to me in regard of mesterolone or if it happened because I used a testosterone without an ester on my very first cycle.
Thank you for your expertise, much appreciate it.
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge.
Also, regarding my usual hormonal panel, is there anything YOU would have included that I instead missed?
GASTRIN: 32 pg/ml [28-125]
MELATONIN: 55 pg/ml [20 - 85]
C-PEPTIDE: 1,3 ng/ml [0,78 – 1,89]
INSULIN: 3,37 micru/ml [1,9 - 23]
GLUCAGON: 56 pg/ml [40-130]
ACTH: 21 pg/dl [till 50]
CORTISOL: 16,64 mcg/dl [8,7 - 22,4]_________________________________________12,45
FT3: 3,47 pg/ml [2,2 - 4,7]_________________________________________________?
FT4: 1,27 ng/dl [0,8 - 2]__________________________________________________ _1,62
MSH: 10,5 pmol/l [7,9 - 14,4]
HTG: 9,65 ng/ml [0,0 - 35]
TBG: 21 mcg/ml [15 - 32]
TSH: 4,79 micru/ml [0,34 - 5,6]_____________________________________________2,48
FSH: 4,19 miu/ml [1,27 - 19,26]_____________________________________________0,55
LH: 3,88 miu/ml [1,24 - 8,62]_______________________________________________0,15
PREGNENOLONE: 161 ng/ml [10 - 230]
ANDROSTENEDIONE: 1,89 ng/ml [0,3 - 3,1]
ALDOSTERONE: 155 pg/ml [10 - 160]
DHEA: 7,9 ng/ml [2,5 - 9,5]
DHEAS: 233 mcg/dl [106 - 464]
DHT: 625 pg/ml [250 - 990]________________________________________________1250
TESTOSTERONE TTL: 3,1 ng/ml [1,75 - 7,81]_________________________________44,7
TESTOSTERONE FREE: 15 pg/ml [8 - 47]_____________________________________219,68
SHBG: 37 nmoli/l [13 - 71]_________________________________________________6
ESTRONE: 48 pg/ml [40 - 60]
ESTRADIOL 17-BETA: 34 pg/ml [<20 - 47]____________________________________150
ESTRIOL: 6 pg/ml [4,7 - 7,1]
PROGESTERONE: 0,98 ng/ml [0,14 - 2,06]____________________________________1,41
PRL: 3,4 ng/ml [2,64 - 13,13]______________________________________________15,12
IGF-1: 135 ng/ml [96 - 424]_______________________________________________159
HGH: 0,3 ng/ml [0,0 - 10]
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