When you SHOULDN'T use AAS imho....

[SECdominance]

good point here. was 22 when i started, but yeah i agree most people should wait tho. Especially of all these high schoolers takin Dbol only cycles and giving AAS a bad name

[Drummerboy]

yea... too many kids are messin around when they shouldnt even be touching the stuff

[Drummerboy]

bump

[stoney_creek]

this should be a mandatory post for new members. woulda saved me time and money.

Bump

[40plusnewbie]

What about the use of LR3 IGF (without AAS) with less than 2 years training as long as you have the other stuff in check?

[Drummerboy]

Ive never used anything else... no slin, igf, growth. I do believe that even with these you should be prepared for it by getting educated on proper use and how to get the most out of them. Too bad tho, i cant advise on this.

~DB~

[MR_T]

bump you should also add something about not buying online just speaking from experience

[Drummerboy]

Hmmm thats true... will add somethin

[Drummerboy]

Thnx Big, hope the new guys follow these tips as best they can ;-) yea i know, its tough to get them all perfect... but aiming high is the only way to get there...

~DB~

[39+1]

I only use what i can fill in a 6cc syringe actually its a turkey baster i modified.

[Drummerboy]

lmao

[kodaghost]

hey can someone help me ive been lifting for 6 years i am 21 and ive taken supplements but am ready to take it to the next level im at a 180lbs and am wanting to get to 210-220 im lookin at buyin the "newbie cycle" its - * Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
* Week 1 to 10: 25 mg provimed daily
* Week 13 - 40mg Tamoximed+ 100mg clomid daily
* Week 14 - 30mg Tamoximed+ 50mg clomid daily
* Week 15 - 20mg Tamoximed+ 50mg clomid daily
* CLENBUTEROL FOR PCT
can anyone tell me if this is a smart cycle and will it get me to my goal weight at the same time leaving me ripped and cut thanx alot

[ottomaddox]

Hey noob, start your own thread! Go do some more research as your proposed cycle is terrible, got any Test? 10 weeks of EQ is a waste @ 400mg's per week, research and then you'll know why?

hey can someone help me ive been lifting for 6 years i am 21 and ive taken supplements but am ready to take it to the next level im at a 180lbs and am wanting to get to 210-220 im lookin at buyin the "newbie cycle" its - * Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
* Week 1 to 10: 25 mg provimed daily
* Week 13 - 40mg Tamoximed+ 100mg clomid daily
* Week 14 - 30mg Tamoximed+ 50mg clomid daily
* Week 15 - 20mg Tamoximed+ 50mg clomid daily
* CLENBUTEROL FOR PCT
can anyone tell me if this is a smart cycle and will it get me to my goal weight at the same time leaving me ripped and cut thanx alot

[*RAGE*]

True way to take the time to explaine it......

[Drummerboy]

start a thread, however, i will say that TEST TEST TEST. unless of course you like : no sex drive, lethargy, and losing all your gains. This is likely what will happen, although some lucky ppl dont get shut down too hard.

[muhammad1185]

great post

[creed33]

_25.

[CAMboy]

Very good thread Drummer Boy!

[packetninja]

At what age does your natural test production start to slow down? I am sure this is different by genetics but I am sure there is an average age where you don't produce as much as you once did.

[Drummerboy]

it not really about when it slows down... its about letting it peak naturally and using that to train to your full natural potential. I use 25 as a conservative number, however many people will do what they please, even if it damages them in the long run. In theory, you could use aas earlier without hurting yourself too bad, but ppl just dont care and go ahead and use huge amounts way too young and permanently screw themselves up for life. I personally would never go much below 25. maybe 23. Ignorance and arrogance also play a role... "ill be fine... it wont happen to me... i know this guy who did it at 16 and he is fine... " blah blah blah blah ive heard it all before. Tell that to the owner of this site... who is on HRT for life because of young dosing. Tell that to the kid in my town (20) who died recently due to heart failure. He was a future hockey star who got into test and GH way too young. Id rather not take that chance just to look a little better and be a little stronger. Id rather educate myself and get the most out of the least AAS. Im not going into competition, so why push the buck? To each his own i guess.

~DB~

[DS21]

it not really about when it slows down... its about letting it peak naturally and using that to train to your full natural potential. I use 25 as a conservative number, however many people will do what they please, even if it damages them in the long run. In theory, you could use aas earlier without hurting yourself too bad, but ppl just dont care and go ahead and use huge amounts way too young and permanently screw themselves up for life. I personally would never go much below 25. maybe 23. Ignorance and arrogance also play a role... "ill be fine... it wont happen to me... i know this guy who did it at 16 and he is fine... " blah blah blah blah ive heard it all before. Tell that to the owner of this site... who is on HRT for life because of young dosing. Tell that to the kid in my town (20) who died recently due to heart failure. He was a future hockey star who got into test and GH way too young. Id rather not take that change just to look a little better and be a little stronger. Id rather educate myself and get the most out of the least AAS. Im not going into competition, so why push the buck? To each his own i guess.

~DB~

Just wondering, how does aas cause heart failure? I've never read/heard about aas affect the heart, but if it does I would like to know. Thanks,

[Drummerboy]

Since im not a doctor, and dont want to make statements that apply to everyone, i wont answer this. All i know is that the heart is a muscle and is affected by aas use, however any extensive testing has yet to be done to determine exactly the effect of each compound on the heart. The young man in question had gone into it heavily, too young and gained a lot of size real fast, and only ppl close to him knew from the autopsy that his heart was messed up. The papers never even mentioned the use of aas though, its not cool to slam a young star who just died. aas or not.

~DB~

[DS21]

Since im not a doctor, and dont want to make statements that apply to everyone, i wont answer this. All i know is that the heart is a muscle and is affected by aas use, however any extensive testing has yet to be done to determine exactly the effect of each compound on the heart. The young man in question had gone into it heavily, too young and gained a lot of size real fast, and only ppl close to him knew from the autopsy that his heart was messed up. The papers never even mentioned the use of aas though, its not cool to slam a young star who just died. aas or not.

~DB~

I was just trying to figure out if it is possible to have heart failure from aas? I don't want to continue using something that can kill me. I've never read or heard that they can kill you? But if they can I would like to know, Thanks.

[WARMachine]

Whoops sorry worng thread...

[bbuilder]

Whoops sorry worng thread...

Why not post your reasoning as to why a KID like yourself should be doing AAS?

I would love to hear your (flawed) logic.

[WARMachine]

Did i say all 23 year olds should be doing AAS?

Im taking AAS because i have peaked naturally.

I have been training for over 4 years.

I have an excellent diet.

I know what compounds im taking, and i know how to safely use them.

Its that simple.

[bbuilder]

I seriously doubt you "peaked" naturally.

Post your workout, and diet, and I can bet your I could find a flaw in it.

Of course you know more then me though.

[WARMachine]

Did i say i knew more than you?

Dont put words in my mouth buddy.

You wouldnt know if i peaked naturally because you have never met me.

And your it doesnt matter if you find a "flaw" in either, are you my personal trainer or nutritionist?

What is your qualification for finding flaws in workout routines or diets?

[bbuilder]

I have not only several degree's, but I also have my personal training certificate from ISSA. I've been lifting weights for almost 20 years, and I've been competing for 2. I'm planning on competing this year at the national level, and I have a personal trainer that is a pro.

TOOT TOOT, so what?

Let's hear your qualifications that make you think you've peaked.

This should be good.

[WARMachine]

I dont need qualifications to think ive peaked.

Its my body and i know it better than you!

Are you seriously gonna sit there and tell me you know my body better than i do without ever meeting me?

The point is im done gaining naturally. Ive done cycles, and now if i want to gain im gonna have to do so with the use of AAS.

[biodiversity]

3) You havent trained for at least a couple years. Just ask the guys who start training, jump onto a cycle, get huge and tear a tendon in half. Steroids grow muscle. Not tendons or connective tissue. One of the most common reasons for injury is huge strong muscles overpower tendons - try this if you want to feel some hefty pain. I made this mistake. You dont want to tear a tendon or muscle cause you didnt take the time to develope your connective tissue or your nervous system. Yes, these other 2 guys are VERY important to muscle growth and avoiding injury.

i am that guy teared the muscles that connect the shoulder with the chest near my armpit, i think i learned it the hard way and i still regret it til now because i can only bench no more than 300lbs

[bbuilder]

I'm saying you DON'T KNOW YOUR BODY.

Instead of thinking you know it all, why don't you post your workout, and diet?

Like I said, I'm positive you haven't meet your natural potential and just wanted to take the lazy way out by doing gear.

I'm also betting you could have achieve the same results naturally, as you did with gear because of your age.

Doesn't really matter to me though. I think it's funny.

[Phate]

I'm saying you DON'T KNOW YOUR BODY.

Instead of thinking you know it all, why don't you post your workout, and diet?

Like I said, I'm positive you haven't meet your natural potential and just wanted to take the lazy way out by doing gear.

I'm also betting you could have achieve the same results naturally, as you did with gear because of your age.

Doesn't really matter to me though. I think it's funny.

so you're saying that you know his body better than he does? thats interesting

btw, i asked a question in your poll

[WARMachine]

I'm saying you DON'T KNOW YOUR BODY.

Instead of thinking you know it all, why don't you post your workout, and diet?

Like I said, I'm positive you haven't meet your natural potential and just wanted to take the lazy way out by doing gear.

I'm also betting you could have achieve the same results naturally, as you did with gear because of your age.

Doesn't really matter to me though. I think it's funny.

Youre just talking out of your ass now...

You think you know me better than i know myself?

[bbuilder]

Youre just talking out of your ass now...

No, you HAVE BEEN talking like a moron since you started debating me, if you want to call it that. It's not a debate really. It's more like shooting a tethered sheep with a 10 gauge shotgun. You have no logic, and cannot back up your statements. They hold no water other then in your head, and then when confronted, you say "I'm talking out my ass". You are funny though.

You think you know me better than i know myself?

Unless you lied about your stats, and age, it doesn't matter. You are still too young to gear, and like I said before I'm betting you could have achieved the same results naturally.

Honestly I could care less if you are on HRT the rest of your life, etc. etc. It's others that read your non-sense that could cause trouble. Your lack of knowledge is ok for yourself, but keep it to yourself.

[WARMachine]

Ill offer whatever advice i want a**hole.

What are you gonna do? Cry about it?

I could care less what your opinon is.

You say it doesnt matter that you dont know me? But im still too young for gear simply because im 23 and not 25.

Your quite sad if you think that has any logic.

[bbuilder]

Good for you.

You need to UP your dose.

[WARMachine]

Lol ok!


youve got a lot of room to talk!

Youre not looking so great either smart guy.
http://forums.steroid.com/album.php?...&pictureid=198

You look like 200lbs of chewed up Bubble gum

[bbuilder]

That's why I'll be competing at the national level this year huh.

Still waiting to see you????????????????????

[WARMachine]

Lol ok im sure you are...

Ill bet youll win looking like that too!!!

dude im getting tired of this pissing match....

its just turned into insult after insult...