Israel or Palestine?

[wmaousley]

I'm not on any side. But the jews were artificially transplanted there shortly after ww2 by the british, which pissed the arabs off to a high degree. So I will say I do understand their being pissed off.

We should wipe them both off the face of the earth so we can free up money we give to them annually, give the UN something else to mediate, build a nice beach resort, free up the news channels from having to cover their issues, and the list goes on and on.

Fvck both Palesteine and Israel

[Persistence2012]

We should wipe them both off the face of the earth so we can free up money we give to them annually, give the UN something else to mediate, build a nice beach resort, free up the news channels from having to cover their issues, and the list goes on and on.

Fvck both Palesteine and Israel

Lol, though I can see the advantages of following through with your approach, there is one problem that remains; this pales-israel issue is merely an epitome of all the problems that exist in modern society.

Or in other words, there are numerous cases like this all around the world, its just that this israel-palest tends to garner the most media attention. So in all reality, it doesn't become feasible to follow suit with that solution as were looking for a general solution that can be used to dismantle hatred between two groups all around the world.

[Times Roman]

We should wipe them both off the face of the earth so we can free up money we give to them annually, give the UN something else to mediate, build a nice beach resort, free up the news channels from having to cover their issues, and the list goes on and on.

Fvck both Palesteine and Israel

disagree.

but it would have been nice if instead of putting the Jews where they were placed, maybe give them an island off to the side and by themselves. This would have prevented much of the worlds troubles today.

[Persistence2012]

disagree.

but it would have been nice if instead of putting the Jews where they were placed, maybe give them an island off to the side and by themselves. This would have prevented much of the worlds troubles today.

I could see that as a feasible secondary option, but i still believe the best thing is to mix the two together, let them work it out for a generation, and have their second - third generations live in harmony with each other. It would be similar to the treatment given to the natives here in North America and Austraila.

[Times Roman]

I could see that as a feasible secondary option, but i still believe the best thing is to mix the two together, let them work it out for a generation, and have their second - third generations live in harmony with each other. It would be similar to the treatment given to the natives here in North America and Austraila.

How long do you think the palestinians would survive if we turned a blind eye and let the two factions "work it out?"

[wmaousley]

disagree.

but it would have been nice if instead of putting the Jews where they were placed, maybe give them an island off to the side and by themselves. This would have prevented much of the worlds troubles today.

And the Palestenians blame me "the Americans" for the Israelis being were they are, however we didnt put them there, tha damn Brits did.

[rampaige77]

We should wipe them both off the face of the earth so we can free up money we give to them annually, give the UN something else to mediate, build a nice beach resort, free up the news channels from having to cover their issues, and the list goes on and on.

Fvck both Palesteine and Israel

i concure with you we give the jews so much money its insane & they disregard the rights & freedom of other countrys to further there own adjenda example the illegal entry into Argentina to kidnap Adolf Eichman after they were told no by that government then promptly executed him for war crimes. Not condoning nazis but must respect the laws of other nations while in there juristiction

[Persistence2012]

I'm not on any side. But the jews were artificially transplanted there shortly after ww2 by the british, which pissed the arabs off to a high degree. So I will say I do understand their being pissed off.

Im sure i speak on behalf of alot of people, and say your posts are much appreciated. I personally am in favour of always approaching every topic or issue with an unbiased approach, yet alot of individuals whom profess they share the same tendencies, tend to negate that concept altogether, and enter in discussions with a biased perception.

[Times Roman]

i read a bumper sticker the other day that read....

ORGANIZED RELIGION...
...the biggest scam ever!

I am having a hard time disputing that idea, personally.

[Persistence2012]

i read a bumper sticker the other day that read....

ORGANIZED RELIGION...
...the biggest scam ever!

I am having a hard time disputing that idea, personally.

lol made me lol inrl.

[Matt]

I would like to see Iran obtain their nuclear weapon soon, its far time those jews where finished.....

[Times Roman]

I would like to see Iran obtain their nuclear weapon soon, its far time those jews where finished.....

my personal opinion is that Iran should NOT be allowed a nuclear weapon. Iran is more or less equivalent to a dictatorship, and can do pretty much whatever it pleases (regardless what the ggeneral population wants). Allowing them a weapon would also give them the ability of holding the UN and the west hostage to whatever demands they make. Ultimately, it complicates things in an already tense situation.

[Matt]

my personal opinion is that Iran should NOT be allowed a nuclear weapon. Iran is more or less equivalent to a dictatorship, and can do pretty much whatever it pleases (regardless what the ggeneral population wants). Allowing them a weapon would also give them the ability of holding the UN and the west hostage to whatever demands they make. Ultimately, it complicates things in an already tense situation.

You've just described the Israelis to the letter...

[wmaousley]

You've just described the Israelis to the letter...

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you MATT

[Times Roman]

In response to some....

I strongly believe that it wouuld be better for all, including the jews (only in the long term) if we STOP subsidizing most foreign nations, including Isreal.

[Simon1972]

In response to some....

I strongly believe that it wouuld be better for all, including the jews (only in the long term) if we STOP subsidizing most foreign nations, including Isreal.

agreed, speaking of Jews why do alot of them have last names that revolve around money?

examples: Goldman,Golberg, Silverman, Diamond, Silverstein,Cassirer (Yiddish for Cash),Bogatch (Polish- meaning "wealthy"),Finkelstein (dealing in diamonds),Goldblum,Lehman/n (money lender)Steuer- (tax collector),Sticker- (gold worker)

[CLAVHAMMER]

I know a self hating Jew that has a German name

[odi et amo]

they are both being irrational and stupid. I don't like either of them. both sides really do not want this to end. sometimes you gotta just give, you know. it's how civilisations are built.

[tankerlife4ever]

they are both being irrational and stupid. I don't like either of them. both sides really do not want this to end. sometimes you gotta just give, you know. it's how civilisations are built.

So many things to comment on but I would vote both.

The reason is not soley money as many might say...Israel now has a self-sufficient economy and as of 2007 stopped receiving 'Aid'. However since then Israel receives roughly 3 billion dollars a year of which 75% they spend on American Defence Equipment (jets, helo, weapons, gear, logistic support etc). So of the 3 billion dollars 75% is spent back on USA built stuff.

Secondly, the reason for current USA support of Israel is both the result of the past history, the large jewish population that is American, and right wing evangelical Christianity's ideological love of Israel which is by far the most logically unjustified and dangerous.

Third, subsidies. Subsidies are not evil. Without subsidies the North American Colonies would not have survived. Subsidies build partnerships and the last thing most western nations want is for the smaller developing and troubled nations to start getting their subsidies from either Russia or China...It's a political game that has to be played and in the case of Israel it pays off huge for the the defence industry of North America.

Fourth and finally, the biggest problem with reconciliation between the parties is the extreme on both sides. The day Israel became a nation all their Arab neighbours attacked them with the intent of whiping them off the map. Israel's ultra Orthodox continue to grow as a percentage of the population and are degenerating back to pre feminism, pre democracy, pre secularist gains of western society.

But what's done is done as far as land goes and if you want Israel to disband and open it's borders to Arab immigrants who would instantly democratically vote away their human rights to Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood, then most of us are gonna have to move because our forefathers stole most of this land from the Indians, and used several million african slaves to develop it.
Fortunately I can just go to the gym in peace...

ps. if you want to know why so many ashkenazi jews (european jews) are in the financial sector or have names like goldberg just look into the persecution of Jews by the Catholic Church