the amazement of tren

[dec11]

and another empty post as usual.

dec you only have so many receptors, with too much test your wasting some tren-wether you want to believe it or not, if its rubbish why dont you explain why...................oh wait cause you said so, ok cool

tren is five times as androgenic than test, i guess no matter how much test you shoot you will still have plenty of receptors left over for the tren right???? oh yea its called anrogen receptor competition. kind of like how a SERM competes for the E receptor and wins, then the E cant attach to it............................

dec just so you know caber does nothing for progesterone, as a matter of fact tren isnt even really a progestin, but im sure you think thats rubbish too..............................

rubbish

[poppz]

I've go to try this next

[hwy1378]

it would be great to get back to the facts .... you know about the Tren ??

[MBMETC]

it would be great to get back to the facts .... you know about the Tren ??

i think were heading back in that direction

[chopzall]

yeah its great except the insomnia

[dec11]

yeah its great except the insomnia

what dose did you use?
i found 350mgs didnt affect my sleep

[PowerliftWill]

what dose did you use?
i found 350mgs didnt affect my sleep

Ya me either...im on 75mg/ed right now around 2.5 weeks in and im getting some good vascularity, but the sleep is fine. No night sweats...strength isnt as good as i thought it would be. Starting to sweat a little more during the day but it's also been alot hotter here lately so I can't say if it's the tren. OP, how far along in the cycle are you with tren? Just want to compare sides/results...because im not seeing anything major yet that everyone boasts about tren. Hopefully it just needs more time.

[dec11]

Ya me either...im on 75mg/ed right now around 2.5 weeks in and im getting some good vascularity, but the sleep is fine. No night sweats...strength isnt as good as i thought it would be. Starting to sweat a little more during the day but it's also been alot hotter here lately so I can't say if it's the tren. OP, how far along in the cycle are you with tren? Just want to compare sides/results...because im not seeing anything major yet that everyone boasts about tren. Hopefully it just needs more time.

thats all the sides i got, well maybe alittle more hot tempered also. seems we may be lucky with sides

[PowerliftWill]

thats all the sides i got, well maybe alittle more hot tempered also. seems we may be lucky with sides

Ya i'm normally very shitty tempered, but for some reason when on cycle I handle it better. But I still have 4-5 more weeks on tren so we'll see how much that changes by then. When do you normally get the full blown power of tren dec11?

[MBMETC]

Ya me either...im on 75mg/ed right now around 2.5 weeks in and im getting some good vascularity, but the sleep is fine. No night sweats...strength isnt as good as i thought it would be. Starting to sweat a little more during the day but it's also been alot hotter here lately so I can't say if it's the tren. OP, how far along in the cycle are you with tren? Just want to compare sides/results...because im not seeing anything major yet that everyone boasts about tren. Hopefully it just needs more time.

4 weeks in with the tren and 5 weeks on the prop, I've been moving doses around a little trying to hit that sweet spot started the cycle at 70mgs prop and 37.5 tren Ed felt it immediately with anxiety, dreams, and night sweats. Have since went to 75mgs tren and 50 prop Ed strength is mediocre at best but I'm cutting or trying to reduce bf and maintain or gain some lbm eating 3000k/cal so that could be effecting the strength.

[THE-DET-OAK]

I like the 375 idea. letro sounds like a good idea, it will increase T levels too. an even better idea though to me would be to go on lower dose and add something to lower SHBG, like masteron. I never suggest tapering but it might be wise to taper down to desired dose in this case. I hope it works out for ya bro.....................

[boundup]

I am loving the low test + higher dose Tren. I have had no issues with sleep, sweating during the night or anything. Vascularity is not there yet, but I'll be damned if these pumps aren't fixin to tear out of my skin and I feel like my entire muscle mass is made out of solid rock. Acne is spiking a little but the accutane and tanning seem to be keeping it nicely under control.

[THE-DET-OAK]

I am loving the low test + higher dose Tren. I have had no issues with sleep, sweating during the night or anything. Vascularity is not there yet, but I'll be damned if these pumps aren't fixin to tear out of my skin and I feel like my entire muscle mass is made out of solid rock. Acne is spiking a little but the accutane and tanning seem to be keeping it nicely under control.

hell yea bro-the pumps are waaaaaaay better this way...............im an animal in the gym right now.................

now all we have to do is get dec to try it..............so he can see the light...............and just maybe he will finally admit that you CAN teach and old dog new tricks....................

[dec11]

hell yea bro-the pumps are waaaaaaay better this way...............im an animal in the gym right now.................

now all we have to do is get dec to try it..............so he can see the light...............and just maybe he will finally admit that you CAN teach and old dog new tricks....................

time you put up stats and pictures you mouth piece im guessing 18 and 140lbs

do you think you're the only person in the world that knows about AAS and how to experiment with the dosages?

How long have you been training?

How many cycles have you done?

[THE-DET-OAK]

do you think you're the only person in the world that knows about AAS and how to experiment with the dosages?

no dec i dont think im the only that has played with dosages, but im sure, since you beleive everything you here, you have never tried a maintenance dose of T with a hefty dose of tren. stop saying im 18 im well into my thirties.

[PowerliftWill]

I am loving the low test + higher dose Tren. I have had no issues with sleep, sweating during the night or anything. Vascularity is not there yet, but I'll be damned if these pumps aren't fixin to tear out of my skin and I feel like my entire muscle mass is made out of solid rock. Acne is spiking a little but the accutane and tanning seem to be keeping it nicely under control.

there's my issue too, with low test my vascularity was almost nothing so it was annoying the hell outa me. hmmm...interesting

might have just been because the tren hadnt kicked in. We shall see....

[PowerliftWill]

I don't feel like adding another compound in right now...not exactly what I want to do. As for SHBG, lowering estro with letro should definitely help. might just up my tren a little bit since im not having many sides with it. But I definitely need to get my test lower because this estro h2o retention blows.

[dec11]

I like the 375 idea. letro sounds like a good idea, it will increase T levels too. an even better idea though to me would be to go on lower dose and add something to lower SHBG, like masteron. I never suggest tapering but it might be wise to taper down to desired dose in this case. I hope it works out for ya bro.....................

clueless, just clueless.

[THE-DET-OAK]

clueless, just clueless.

oh god more bro-lore from you. dont use letro dorthy it will crash your estro!!! lol

[PowerliftWill]

clueless, just clueless.

Not that I agree with everything det oak says, but how is this clueless? Im very gyno prone as mentioned in other threads not to mention the test is giving so much water retention, not even the tren can show it's cutting and hardening effects.

On top of that, I'd like to keep my estro down so I have a lesser chance of getting pgr sides.

[dec11]

Not that I agree with everything det oak says, but how is this clueless? Im very gyno prone as mentioned in other threads not to mention the test is giving so much water retention, not even the tren can show it's cutting and hardening effects.

On top of that, I'd like to keep my estro down so I have a lesser chance of getting pgr sides.

letro is a harsh last ditch effort in getting rid of gyno, far better alternatives for estro control on cycle mate

i too hold water on test and when ive used tren i dry up very quickly from it

[THE-DET-OAK]

letro is a harsh last ditch effort in getting rid of gyno, far better alternatives for estro control on cycle mate

dec you keep saying that but its simply not true. not only can it be effective on cycle but it can be effective on TRT doses as well. what harsh sides are you so worried about??? lowering estrogen 99% is only if you take 2.5mg ED (so says the studies). whats wrong, in your opinion, of taking much smaller doses????

[PowerliftWill]

letro is a harsh last ditch effort in getting rid of gyno, far better alternatives for estro control on cycle mate

i too hold water on test and when ive used tren i dry up very quickly from it

Ya but im not seeing any drying up. I do need to drop my test down tho since im super sensitive. I think trying the trt dose would be good. 750mg/wk is just too much without an AI for me. Plus I might try and cut up these last few weeks on cycle since i feel im gaining too much BF....despite a solid diet. So i know the water is killin me.

[Swifto]

I like the 375 idea. letro sounds like a good idea, it will increase T levels too. an even better idea though to me would be to go on lower dose and add something to lower SHBG, like masteron. I never suggest tapering but it might be wise to taper down to desired dose in this case. I hope it works out for ya bro.....................

Two things.

1. Why will Letro increase exogenous testosterone?

2. Why add Masteron, or another DHT-derivative when clinical studies demonstrate exogenous testosterone decreases SHBG in a dose dependant manner?

[Swifto]

Two things.

1. Why will Letro increase exogenous testosterone?

2. Why add Masteron, or another DHT-derivative when clinical studies demonstrate exogenous testosterone decreases SHBG in a dose dependant manner?

Bump...

[THE-DET-OAK]

Bump...

letro has been shown, in elderly hypo men, to increase TT levels. it was tried as a treatment of hypo. anytime you slow aroma conversly TT levels will rise, for a time period.

I am very aware that exogenous T will lower SHBG, and normally SHBG is not a problem on TRT ,unless it gets too low, for long periods of time.

when i suggested masteron it was due to the fact that i suggested a much smaller dose of T for him, i have ran the tren/mast/T a few times and it is by far the best cycle I have done. he also mentioned his vascularity is low on lower doses of T, masteron helps me with that for sure.

[dec11]

letro has been shown, in elderly hypo men, to increase TT levels. it was tried as a treatment of hypo. anytime you slow aroma conversly TT levels will rise, for a time period.

I am very aware that exogenous T will lower SHBG, and normally SHBG is not a problem on TRT ,unless it gets too low, for long periods of time.

when i suggested masteron it was due to the fact that i suggested a much smaller dose of T for him, i have ran the tren/mast/T a few times and it is by far the best cycle I have done. he also mentioned his vascularity is low on lower doses of T, masteron helps me with that for sure.

pointless at 12-14% bf

[Swifto]

letro has been shown, in elderly hypo men, to increase TT levels. it was tried as a treatment of hypo. anytime you slow aroma conversly TT levels will rise, for a time period.

I am very aware that exogenous T will lower SHBG, and normally SHBG is not a problem on TRT ,unless it gets too low, for long periods of time.

when i suggested masteron it was due to the fact that i suggested a much smaller dose of T for him, i have ran the tren/mast/T a few times and it is by far the best cycle I have done. he also mentioned his vascularity is low on lower doses of T, masteron helps me with that for sure.

I'm aware of the Androgen:Estrogen ratio, trust me.

But that has f*ck all to do with when one is on cycle using exogenous testosterone. So I'll ask again:

How will Letro increase testosterone on cycle, as thats what you implied, unless you got confised?

Your quote:

I like the 375 idea. letro sounds like a good idea, it will increase T levels too. an even better idea though to me would be to go on lower dose and add something to lower SHBG, like masteron. I never suggest tapering but it might be wise to taper down to desired dose in this case. I hope it works out for ya bro.....................

Your obviously not aware exogenous testosterone has a graded effect on SHBG levels in healthy adult males, as you wouldnt have stated your "better" idea of using "Masteron to decrease it".

SHBG doesnt usually become "too low" during HRT, in my experience, it can increases... How many patients have you actually dealt with then?

[THE-DET-OAK]

i am in my thirties, but do not care to show who or what company i work on the open board, if you were willing to keep it to yourself I would be more than happy to explain through PM.

[junkiescumbag]

i ran 50mg/75mg tren prop, and i seemed to get ALOT worse sides when the test was run at a higher dosage.

i then dropped the prop to slightly above a trt dosage (35-40mg ED) and upped the tren to 100mg ED and saw LESS sides and leaned up alot. i believe running test higher then tren kind of defeats the purpose of running tren. the tren sides are completely over hyped and ridiculous and i will defiantly run tren again

[kawizx10]

so far to date my tren cycles have been shot EOD @ 75mg and upto 112mg = 1.5cc.... but i pin EOD.
so far it seems there are some that pin ED and some EOD.....

what would the real benift and pro be to pin ED.....

[baseline_9]

so far to date my tren cycles have been shot EOD @ 75mg and upto 112mg = 1.5cc.... but i pin EOD.
so far it seems there are some that pin ED and some EOD.....

what would the real benift and pro be to pin ED.....

More stable hormone level

Decreased side effects

Less painful shots

[dec11]

so far to date my tren cycles have been shot EOD @ 75mg and upto 112mg = 1.5cc.... but i pin EOD.
so far it seems there are some that pin ED and some EOD.....

what would the real benift and pro be to pin ED.....

ive tried both ed and eod within the one cycle, made absolutely no diff at all. eod is alot less pinning which gets old after a week or so

[Swifto]

I'd always have both Tamoxifen and some sort of dopamine agonist on hand in case you run into problems when using 19-Nor's.

Use an AI of course during the cycle.

[Necrosaro]

I would like to say dec11 don't add oil to the flame. If he is annoying he will get what he deserves.

[dec11]

I would like to say dec11 don't add oil to the flame. If he is annoying he will get what he deserves.

hopefully soon. apparently we should be using winstrol as an ancillary etc, this is the type of crap hes advising noobs!!

[THE-DET-OAK]

just never needed to prove anything buddy.............we are kind of side tracking this thread..............just saying.

[marcus300]

Warning:

Can I just remind everyone that we do have rules and they must be abided by at all times. Please debate as much as you like giving evidence and opinion all the way so long as they are not violating the rules. If you want to take it to a personal level please use the PM function.

[Swifto]

Warning:

Can I just remind everyone that we do have rules and they must be abided by at all times. Please debate as much as you like giving evidence and opinion all the way so long as they are not violating the rules. If you want to take it to a personal level please use the PM function.

Agreed.

[THE-DET-OAK]

ive tried to do nothing but debate and give advice, people have taken far more shots at me than I have at them.