My trek through a new life in TRT

[bigboy67]

so, I would like to get my E2 to about a 20. right now after bloods it has come back at a 38 after a steady .25mg AI eod. my question is, should i move to .33mg eod AI? and if so, how the hell do you guys who take this amount cut these tiny pills into thirds?

[bass]

thats a tough one Big, i would suggest to take 1/4 two day in a row after your injection, basically just up your does 1/4 per week. this is where liquidex comes in handily in these situations!

[bigboy67]

thats a tough one Big, i would suggest to take 1/4 two day in a row after your injection, basically just up your does 1/4 per week. this is where liquidex comes in handily in these situations!

The only thing is my insurance covers the arimidex, so I basically pay 80 cents per mg. Is there a liquid arimidex you can get through prescription, or is that just from research chem sites?

[bigboy67]

Doc says my E2 actually came back at a 39. he wants my E2 under 30, and for me to have a 30:1 Test to E2 ratio, which sounds great, lol. Waiting for the remainder of the results to come sometime this week, and then i have another appt next week with him to adjust protocol

[bigboy67]

I know some are going to think this is stupid, but I am gonna tattoo X's on my thighs in my favorite stick spots so I know where to inject. I'm heavily tattooed as it is, so it doesn't bother me, and I think It will actually be very helpful

[bass]

I know some are going to think this is stupid, but I am gonna tattoo X's on my thighs in my favorite stick spots so I know where to inject. I'm heavily tattooed as it is, so it doesn't bother me, and I think It will actually be very helpful

LOL! no you need to change spots anyway, if you keep sticking in the same spot you will end up with muscle damage!

[bigboy67]

If I have two on each leg that means I will not stick the same spot but once a month. Is that still too often?

[bass]

If I have two on each leg that means I will not stick the same spot but once a month. Is that still too often?

are you serious?! still laghing..... the funny part is i thought doing the same thing but not a permanent mark, then later realized how easy it became and now i can do it with my eyes closed! but do what makes you happy

[bigboy67]

are you serious?! still laghing..... the funny part is i thought doing the same thing but not a permanent mark, then later realized how easy it became and now i can do it with my eyes closed! but do what makes you happy

Haha, FINE! use your logic, you win this time sir, but i shall have my revenge! lol

[bigboy67]

I changed to once a week shots about 6 weeks ago from e3.5d shots, and I have definitely noticed that I get real irritable around Sunday and Monday.

Decided to switch my protocol back to e3.5d. My doc wanted me on once a week, but I think that was all about my bold tests anyways. Seeing him tomorrow for full review of bloods I had two weeks ago, will post update of numbers and such afterwards

[bigboy67]

Just saw my new GP. Uggghhhhhh

We talked about my TRT, and he says "well I'd like you to see an endo, and honestly a 216 Testosterone level isn't that low."

Ummmm, ya, I think I'm gonna go ahead and stick with my other doc for this part of my health, this new GP would probably want me to come off , be a maniac, then tell me it's not cuz of my testosterone. Lame.

[bigboy67]

alright, got my bloods back......

Total Test - 916 (250-1100 ng/dL)
Free Test - 258.6 (35-155 pg/mL)
E2 - 39 (13-54 pg/mL)


This is with my dose at 80mg Test Cyp once per week! Soooooo, he wants me to drop my dose down to 40mg per week, and we are adding in hcg (should have it in about a week)

After my wife has our baby, I may just switch to a cream, not sure.

Everything came back normal, except my iron level was a little low (going to supplement).

[lvs]

How do you feel at these levels?

May I ask why you would want to switch to the cream after you have your baby? I am not sure I would want to risk exposing the child to the test.

alright, got my bloods back......

Total Test - 916 (250-1100 ng/dL)
Free Test - 258.6 (35-155 pg/mL)
E2 - 39 (13-54 pg/mL)


This is with my dose at 80mg Test Cyp once per week! Soooooo, he wants me to drop my dose down to 40mg per week, and we are adding in hcg (should have it in about a week)

After my wife has our baby, I may just switch to a cream, not sure.

Everything came back normal, except my iron level was a little low (going to supplement).

[bass]

alright, got my bloods back......

Total Test - 916 (250-1100 ng/dL)
Free Test - 258.6 (35-155 pg/mL)
E2 - 39 (13-54 pg/mL)


This is with my dose at 80mg Test Cyp once per week! Soooooo, he wants me to drop my dose down to 40mg per week, and we are adding in hcg (should have it in about a week)

After my wife has our baby, I may just switch to a cream, not sure.

Everything came back normal, except my iron level was a little low (going to supplement).

these are great results, why in the hell he wants to change it? drop it to 40?! so what he wants you to have total T at 450?! if you feel good with these levels i'd say don't change it.

[bigboy67]

these are great results, why in the hell he wants to change it? drop it to 40?! so what he wants you to have total T at 450?! if you feel good with these levels i'd say don't change it.

He wants me to drop from 80 to 40 a week to get my numbers down a little since my free test is so fricken high. but, more importantly i am going to be on hcg as well starting this week so he thinks 40 will get my Free Test down a little in conjunction with the increase i will probably see from the hcg synergy with the Test and AI

[bigboy67]

How do you feel at these levels?

May I ask why you would want to switch to the cream after you have your baby? I am not sure I would want to risk exposing the child to the test.

Just something I am kicking around, thinking long term with having thousands of injections in my lifetime doing this therapy, thinking it may be a viable option for me to go with the cream since I react so well to Testosterone therapy

[bigboy67]

these are great results, why in the hell he wants to change it? drop it to 40?! so what he wants you to have total T at 450?! if you feel good with these levels i'd say don't change it.

Plus, my free testosterone as a percentage seems really high, so even if my Total Test were a 450 my Free Test would still be a 127. Wouldnt that be a nice level of Free Test?

[bass]

Plus, my free testosterone as a percentage seems really high, so even if my Total Test were a 450 my Free Test would still be a 127. Wouldnt that be a nice level of Free Test?

i suppose! it really comes down to how you feel. i just posted my blood work results in the Sub-Q injection thread, not very good!

[kelkel]

How do you feel at these levels?

May I ask why you would want to switch to the cream after you have your baby? I am not sure I would want to risk exposing the child to the test.

Exactly...

[bigboy67]

Exactly...

I feel okay. For the numbers, I would think that I would feel a bit more on top of the world, but really I jsut feel normal, lol

jsut tossing the Test cream idea for the future to save myself from the thousands of needle sticks over my lifetime. I am only 29

[flatscat]

40mg's test/week is way less than a healthy male should produce in a week. You will be disappointed with the outcome. Even with the hcg.

[BigMax88]

Man, at 80mg per week your test is good. I'm taking 200mg 5x a month w/ hcg and can't imagine what my levels are going to be. And to the doc who said 216 isn't really that bad, I would of walked out on him. Do you think once your e2 levels are in the optimal range that you'll feel better?

[bigboy67]

Man, at 80mg per week your test is good. I'm taking 200mg 5x a month w/ hcg and can't imagine what my levels are going to be. And to the doc who said 216 isn't really that bad, I would of walked out on him. Do you think once your e2 levels are in the optimal range that you'll feel better?

I think dropping my test a bit should still keep me in a nice high range for my test/free test, and also drop my E2 down to that optimal 20-30 range. Hopefully that will be my sweet spot

[bigboy67]

My doc uses a sterile compounding pharmacy in California to fill his hcg prescriptions. looks like cash price for 10ml would be $180. I would be taking .25ml every 3 days, so by my calc it should last 120 days. which means it would cost 45 per month cash price. Does this all sound reasonable? Do any of you guys have to get from a far away sterile compounding pharmacy?

[bigboy67]

hadnt heard otherwise form you guys, so i placed the order so that hopefully it will arrive this weekend. I figure if i do have a better option for getting it closer and at a better price, i will take that option after this 120 day supply goes bye bye

[flatscat]

Bro, just saw this - way too much for compounded HCG - but in so far as you have ordered it - good for you - just look around next time for better pricing.

[bigboy67]

Bro, just saw this - way too much for compounded HCG - but in so far as you have ordered it - good for you - just look around next time for better pricing.

Dang! I knew I should have waited. I got so anxious to get my order in. Good news is that for a 4 month supply the amount wasnt prohibitive. But at least I know now for the future, and I will also bring it up to my AA doc to see why I cant get it elsewhere.

Flatscat, sent you a PM

[Vettester]

I think dropping my test a bit should still keep me in a nice high range for my test/free test, and also drop my E2 down to that optimal 20-30 range. Hopefully that will be my sweet spot

Strangely enough, my E2 "Sweet Spot" is right at/around 30. I've had it in the tank, I've had it over 40. My optimal sex drive and general well being seems to be right at the 30 mark. I increase my AI just a little in summer and keep my E2 closer to 20, which gives me a much dryer look, but I don't have near the sex drive. Just another guy's opinion to think about.

[bigboy67]

Strangely enough, my E2 "Sweet Spot" is right at/around 30. I've had it in the tank, I've had it over 40. My optimal sex drive and general well being seems to be right at the 30 mark. I increase my AI just a little in summer and keep my E2 closer to 20, which gives me a much dryer look, but I don't have near the sex drive. Just another guy's opinion to think about.

That is really interesting. I'm still too fat to worry about looking dry in the summer, lol, but when i get there I will try that out.

[bigboy67]

shit! just got my hcg. they sent me one vial to reconstitute. that means that even though i got a "120 day supply", it will only be good for roughly 60 days? I am pissed right now. 180 dollars for this? plus 20 shipping? 10,000 iu's, divided by 200 bucks, means i get 50 iu's per dollar. half that if you consider the 60 day lifespan, so 25 iu's per dollar. if i take 250 iu's every three days, that means that this will cost me $10 per injection!

Help me out here guys, this is ridiculous. I am not looking for any UG crap here, I have a script for the hcg, can you guys PM me some good options for pharmacy's that ship so i can get it cheaper?

[bass]

well whoever prescribed it for you is at fault, call then and tell them they screwed up, and demand that they send you 5000iu vials! thats sucks, you wait all this time then you get the wrong stuff.

[Vettester]

Nothing like getting bent over! Even if you wanted 10,000iu, that price is over the top!

[bigboy67]

Nothing like getting bent over! Even if you wanted 10,000iu, that price is over the top!

The rules allow us to talk price and pharmacies right? Since they are not UG and are legit scripts? If so, post up some of the prices you guys are paying and where you go (unless its just a local pharm) cuz I need to tell this doc where to send my next script. I cannot afford this hcg price , even if it does round out my protocol, lol

[fit2bOld]

Walmart mail order pharmacy has HCG (Novarell) $120 or there about. This is !0,000 iu

[bigboy67]

Walmart mail order pharmacy has HCG (Novarell) $120 or there about. This is !0,000 iu

Wow, that is quite a bit cheaper too, thanks Fit

[bigboy67]

Ok, so I reconstituted 10,000 iu of hcg with 10ml of bac. Water. So each 1 ml has 1000 iu hcg. If I need 250 a dose, that's .25ml. But the insulin syringe is in units (total 50) and at 50 units it says it equals .5 cc. I can it figure the conversion so I get .25ml. Tried searching, but people kept saying it depends on the concentration. Can you guys help?

[bigboy67]

Can someone help with the above question? Nervous about over/under dosing the hcg

[Vettester]

Ok, so I reconstituted 10,000 iu of hcg with 10ml of bac. Water. So each 1 ml has 1000 iu hcg. If I need 250 a dose, that's .25ml. But the insulin syringe is in units (total 50) and at 50 units it says it equals .5 cc. I can it figure the conversion so I get .25ml. Tried searching, but people kept saying it depends on the concentration. Can you guys help?

Sounds like you have a 1/2 cc syringe. 10,000iu reconstituted with 10ml of bac water, 1ml does = 1,000iu. In the case that you have a 1/2cc, .50 units syringe, that would = 500iu. So, you will only need to draw half the syringe with HCG at .25 units, 1/4 cc, or in this case 250iu. The concentration is 10ml of water to 10,000iu of HCG, so it's easy to figure out. In the future, if you get a 10,000iu vial, you might find it easier to just add 5ml of bac water. This would cut out a lot water, and in your case you could easily draw .125 or an 1/8 of a cc to get the 250iu.

Also, there's pharmacies out there that will sell you the 5,000iu compounded for/around $50.

[bigboy67]

Thanks Vette! Thought I had it right. Thanks for the confirmation. I will def. be shopping around before buying next time

[APIs]

I started a discussion on HCG pricing last month. My HCG from CVS varies in price. For a few months it was only $98 for 10,000 IUs. Last refill in October was $150. People were guessing the fluctuation in price was due to the HCG Diet fad going on right now, but I dont know. Generics go up & down for various reasons. Even @ $200 a script I'd still pay it. You can't put a price on HCG, as it's a must-have for proper TRT...