Why is EQ getting such a bad rep these days

[Sgt. Hartman]

LMFAO! He never said it was Ronnie Coleman, just that it was Ronnie C., he was trying to protect the anonymity of his real buddy, Ronnie Chokesondicks.

[gixxerboy1]

I just had dinner with Jay - he doesnt say much about AAS and i dont ask- thats personal at his level...but when I told him about Ronnie relying heavily on Eq at times he just laughed his ass off. Then he said something about no wonder 2010 O was so easy.....

lol. Your to much

[sizzlechest]

there is one way to find out for sure and thats to try it out. My buddy who is on his first cycle is having great results. One way to find out is to try it at 600 mg wk. Start out with the EQ only for the first 4-5 weeks and if you need add the test at 400-500 a week down the line. I Just ordered some EQ 300 for next year and will try it out and post the results. I also believe that if you have been running Tren etc... for so many cycles a milder compound like EQ wont give you as much as you expect. Ita gives slow steady gains that you get to keep afterwards. that's just my $0.02

[dec11]

there is one way to find out for sure and thats to try it out. My buddy who is on his first cycle is having great results. One way to find out is to try it at 600 mg wk. Start out with the EQ only for the first 4-5 weeks and if you need add the test at 400-500 a week down the line. I Just ordered some EQ 300 for next year and will try it out and post the results. I also believe that if you have been running Tren etc... for so many cycles a milder compound like EQ wont give you as much as you expect. Ita gives slow steady gains that you get to keep afterwards. that's just my $0.02

is 10X your daddy?

[redz]

there is one way to find out for sure and thats to try it out. My buddy who is on his first cycle is having great results. One way to find out is to try it at 600 mg wk. Start out with the EQ only for the first 4-5 weeks and if you need add the test at 400-500 a week down the line. I Just ordered some EQ 300 for next year and will try it out and post the results. I also believe that if you have been running Tren etc... for so many cycles a milder compound like EQ wont give you as much as you expect. Ita gives slow steady gains that you get to keep afterwards. that's just my $0.02

What the hell crap advice is this? you wouldn`t even feel EQ in that short a time so how would that help? EQ gave me no gains other than being hungrier, not slow steady keepable gains.

[Bonaparte]

there is one way to find out for sure and thats to try it out. My buddy who is on his first cycle is having great results. One way to find out is to try it at 600 mg wk. Start out with the EQ only for the first 4-5 weeks and if you need add the test at 400-500 a week down the line. I Just ordered some EQ 300 for next year and will try it out and post the results. I also believe that if you have been running Tren etc... for so many cycles a milder compound like EQ wont give you as much as you expect. Ita gives slow steady gains that you get to keep afterwards. that's just my $0.02

ARRRGGGHHHH one of my biggest pet peeves!!!!
WTF are keepable gains? As opposed to...unkeepable gains, which aren't gains at all (i.e. water weight)?

[Hazard]

there is one way to find out for sure and thats to try it out. My buddy who is on his first cycle is having great results. One way to find out is to try it at 600 mg wk. Start out with the EQ only for the first 4-5 weeks and if you need add the test at 400-500 a week down the line. I Just ordered some EQ 300 for next year and will try it out and post the results. I also believe that if you have been running Tren etc... for so many cycles a milder compound like EQ wont give you as much as you expect. Ita gives slow steady gains that you get to keep afterwards. that's just my $0.02

ARRRGGGHHHH one of my biggest pet peeves!!!!
WTF are keepable gains? As opposed to...unkeepable gains, which aren't gains at all (i.e. water weight)?

One of my peeves too.....

No gains are permanent! Keeping what you gain depends on A LOT of factors but a compound u use isn't one of them. I know why smaller guys think some of the weaker compounds lets them keep what they gain..... when you are underweight you can maintain small weight gains fairly easily but if they gain 20lbs off a cycle they usually havn't adjusted their diet to accomadate their added weight so they end up losing it. Just my 0.02....

~Haz~

[FONZY007]

Anyone is free to try it out, myself I ran 600mg/week for 16 weeks and was dissapointed with it. It did make me hungrier but that was the only notable effect it had on me.

I used it at the same dose for 14 weeks and made me harder, and more vacularity

[sizzlechest]

keep hating!! Eq works and it provides one the best amounts of hardness. It also gives slow and solid gains. Petpvees or not it is what it is. No one expect people here hate it so much. Im sure the amounts that is sold and people who use it all the time use it because they are just idiots.
By the way there is such a thing as rectifiable gains. Proof is when i do an oral only cycle what ever I gain stays afterwards with little to no PCT. With test and other stuff there is lots of water retention and you get a good amount of loss afterwards. Eq does not make you gain like Tren but after the cycle, most people agree that they kept most of their gain.

[dec11]

keep hating!! Eq works and it provides one the best amounts of hardness. It also gives slow and solid gains. Petpvees or not it is what it is. No one expect people here hate it so much. Im sure the amounts that is sold and people who use it all the time use it because they are just idiots.
By the way there is such a thing as rectifiable gains. Proof is when i do an oral only cycle what ever I gain stays afterwards with little to no PCT. With test and other stuff there is lots of water retention and you get a good amount of loss afterwards. Eq does not make you gain like Tren but after the cycle, most people agree that they kept most of their gain.

have you actually even cycled before? because what you write flies in the face of what the rest of us experience. i think you just like telling lies tbh

[sizzlechest]

have you actually even cycled before? because what you write flies in the face of what the rest of us experience. i think you just like telling lies tbh

I was going to say the same thing about you. Who is the rest of you experienced people?

[Knockout_Power]

what ever I gain stays afterwards with little to no PCT.

I wont call BS on this cause I dont know your situation, but if it is the truth, I recommend you get on the path to becoming Mr O (shouldnt take too long). The prize money and endorsements far outweigh staying on here and arguing with fellow board members about EQ

[Cravenmorehead]

Is everybody here on a tren cycle or something? Why the hostility?

[Knockout_Power]

Is everybody here on a tren cycle or something? Why the hostility?

something to do... too much time off with the holidays.

[Hazard]

keep hating!! Eq works and it provides one the best amounts of hardness. It also gives slow and solid gains. Petpvees or not it is what it is. No one expect people here hate it so much. Im sure the amounts that is sold and people who use it all the time use it because they are just idiots.
By the way there is such a thing as rectifiable gains. Proof is when i do an oral only cycle what ever I gain stays afterwards with little to no PCT. With test and other stuff there is lots of water retention and you get a good amount of loss afterwards. Eq does not make you gain like Tren but after the cycle, most people agree that they kept most of their gain.

Care to post pics and stats? I'm sure you look impressive if you have been making slow keepable gains now for some time.

COME ON PEOPLE..... whether or not EQ works - there is no debate on whether a compound makes gains keepable. YES test can cause you to retain a lot of water - for me it doesn't - so yes it can make you lose the water weight when you come off. If that is what is being referred to as "gains" then the correct term would be "EQ gives dryer gains than test for me" - that is assuming that EQ actually causes you to gain anything at all.....

How bout someone puts the debate to rest and runs an EQ only cycle...... a weekly log with weekly pictures. Ofcoarse we'll hafta trust that you aren't running anything with it..... but i'm willing to bet that no one wants to waste their time with it. I sure as hell wont.....

~Haz~

[Swifto]

EQ will yield some gains over the course of an extended peroid due to its nature (androgen), but how much is the question everone cares about. Is it worth it, or not?

[Hazard]

EQ will yield some gains over the course of an extended peroid due to its nature (androgen), but how much is the question everone cares about. Is it worth it, or not?

Is it worth it to someone who is above a natural limit....? IMO no.....

Take test for example..... 500mg's might make a 200lb man shoot up to 215lbs but it wouldn't even touch someone who's lets say 275..... maintenance between cycles yes..... growth? NO

EQ may have it's place for someone less advanced..... or maybe someone who isn't above a natural human limit. You can't tell me that it'll make me grow..... I ran 1000mg's a week for 16+ weeks and didn't see a damn thing. Now..... thats not because I don't know wtf i'm doing. I'm not some parroting EQ hater..... I know wtf i'm talking about and this compound sucks ass as far as i'm concerned. No harm no foul though - i'm not trying to keep people from using it like it's some huge secret that EQ blows you up. I'm just trying to save some people the hassle of running a cycle and being disappointed with the results. It also saves their wallets and uneccessary scar tissue.

~Haz~

[Skelt]

I ran eq, and tren 12wks and got freaking ripped - stunning results. This was years ago though when there was some nice products around. I've run it twice since then and other than endurance of a 13th century work horse, gains were not as impressive.

[Swifto]

Is it worth it to someone who is above a natural limit....? IMO no.....

Take test for example..... 500mg's might make a 200lb man shoot up to 215lbs but it wouldn't even touch someone who's lets say 275..... maintenance between cycles yes..... growth? NO

EQ may have it's place for someone less advanced..... or maybe someone who isn't above a natural human limit. You can't tell me that it'll make me grow..... I ran 1000mg's a week for 16+ weeks and didn't see a damn thing. Now..... thats not because I don't know wtf i'm doing. I'm not some parroting EQ hater..... I know wtf i'm talking about and this compound sucks ass as far as i'm concerned. No harm no foul though - i'm not trying to keep people from using it like it's some huge secret that EQ blows you up. I'm just trying to save some people the hassle of running a cycle and being disappointed with the results. It also saves their wallets and uneccessary scar tissue.

~Haz~

Less advanced, yes, advanced, perhaps no. Although we dont know what Pro's cycle's are, I've seen it a lot in pre-contest at high numbders.

Personally, there are better androgens out there, for less money. I'd rather use more Test, rather than Test+EQ.

As for a 275lbs man not getting much off of 500mg/wk, it depends on his past cycles. Total Testosterone levels are what count and 500mg/wk Test Enan, puts TT at about 3,200ng/dl. But as one grows, larger doses are required as bodyweight, or surface area are needed to be taken into account. I have a mate that 6'8ft and weighs 22stone and is not that fat. He's about 20%. When he's prescribed meds he needs more, just like he needs more on cycle.

[Hazard]

Less advanced, yes, advanced, perhaps no. Although we dont know what Pro's cycle's are, I've seen it a lot in pre-contest at high numbders.

Personally, there are better androgens out there, for less money. I'd rather use more Test, rather than Test+EQ.

As for a 275lbs man not getting much off of 500mg/wk, it depends on his past cycles. Total Testosterone levels are what count and 500mg/wk Test Enan, puts TT at about 3,200ng/dl. But as one grows, larger doses are required as bodyweight, or surface area are needed to be taken into account. I have a mate that 6'8ft and weighs 22stone and is not that fat. He's about 20%. When he's prescribed meds he needs more, just like he needs more on cycle.

When I say EQ wont do much for advanced users...... i'm not talking about 4,000+mg's of EQ. IMO running stupid high doses of EQ is a retarded idea. If you need to run insanely high amounts of a compound then why use it?

Who knows..... maybe EQ does good things at 4grams a week..... I'm just not willing to find that out. If 1000mg's of it didn't even touch me..... then i'm not going to waste my time using more..... especially when combined with other anabolics.

~Haz~

[goinglong]

This is my experience about EQ:

I've done Var at up to 100mg/day, I've run test-c only at 500mg/wk and I've also run test-c at 400mg/wk with EQ at 500 mg/wk. Each was a 12-week cycle. All of these cycles did yield good results for me in regard to strength gains and mass gain but the most strength and mass came from the test only cycle followed by the test and EQ and, lastly, the Var only (good but results weren't as good as the other two). From what I read about the goals that most people on this board want in terms of gains, I'd say EQ isn't what you want to use. My goals are very different from most people on here insofar as I compete in long distance endurance sports (workouts are bike rides in excess of 6 hours and runs are in excess of 2 hours). What is my next cycle being planned? Test and EQ (400 and 600mg/wk) because my cardio capacity is exponentially increased while using EQ versus a test-only cycle. I didn't see much in terms of mass gains from EQ. What I'd suggest is to forget about the EQ unless you want big cardio gains compared to your current capacity. If that isn't a goal of yours, forget about the EQ and spend your money on something which will yield more mass and strength gains.

[HitIt]

eq is used in horse racing to help the horse recover after a race (along with increasing its appetite, after all a lot of them are castrated and need the help). it doesn't make the horse grow or run faster, so it makes sense that the consensus would be that it's slow to produce gains or that the gains would be small and that it does increase rbc and or endurance.

[yannick35]

I am currently using deca durabolin to repair my body, also for its collagen building purpose, i have read good things about EQ and its ability to do that too, about collagen.

After reading a lot of your posts i guess i will pass on EQ has well, i feel the risk is not worth the money on this one. And the dosage that must be used on EQ is just insane.

[Hazard]

I am currently using deca durabolin to repair my body, also for its collagen building purpose, i have read good things about EQ and its ability to do that too, about collagen.

After reading a lot of your posts i guess i will pass on EQ has well, i feel the risk is not worth the money on this one. And the dosage that must be used on EQ is just insane.

EQ does help with collagen synthesis..... this is known. However..... It DOES NOT improve the cross-linking connectivity...... this leaves the new fibers brittle and weak. Which in turn makes them more susceptible to tearing. It's actually similar to winny in this regard.....

~Haz~

[DanB]

EQ does help with collagen synthesis..... this is known. However..... It DOES NOT improve the cross-linking connectivity...... this leaves the new fibers brittle and weak. Which in turn makes them more susceptible to tearing. It's actually similar to winny in this regard.....

~Haz~

interesting, you really do learn something new here every day

[Hazard]

interesting, you really do learn something new here every day

There was a scientific paper/study done on this and I have posted it once or twice on this site..... it can be found using the search function i'm sure - if anyone is interested. I'm just too lazy to go find it at the moment lol

~Haz~