9/11/2012 attack on the USA

[Shol'va]

I am an American and proud of it; I am a US Combat Veteran and proud of it. I am also a Muslim and proud of it, although not a very good one because I drink, curse and do many other things not allowed in Islam.

Most of the words some of you say are really disturbing, I never come here and bash anyone for being Black, White, Brown, Yellow, Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, Middle Eastern, American, European, Asian, African, Latin, Straight, Gay, Bisexual or anything that may categorize and individual or group. I keep that shlt to myself as most of you should. But in this case all of you are getting it wrong. Arabs arent doint this shlt, Africans are....

Its amazing when something terrible happens how fast everyone is so quick to jump on the "Fvck those people" train and ride it till there is no more gas. Guys be more professional and curtious of others.

******ADMIN..........I seen a few weeks ago where a good member here made a honest joke about another member being gay and he was suspended for it. Why is there a double standard here? Im not asking you to suspend or ban anyone as I like most of these people, just draw a line.

Guys Muslims didnt kill the US Ambassador to Libiya, those claiming to be Muslim did. Lets differentiate between posers and reality. Try to view everything with an open mind vs. a closed one and you will live a happier life.

Please educate us them. How are we to tell the difference between the two when both claim the right to allah?

[Shol'va]

Please educate us them. How are we to tell the difference between the two when both claim the right to allah?

Update
And look at the Muslim Brotherhood, the very first name is Muslim and they also profess to be Muslims. So how are we to know the difference between the fakers and the real peaceful ones, well other than seeing who shows up to rape and kill Americans and who stays home that day. Yes I know there are many many more Muslims who abhor what is going on so why don't they shut these bad Muslims down? Especially if they way out number the bad ones? Why do they all let it get to the point where someone has to die and be raped and their dead body is dragged through the streets while others defile the body as it's dragged? This is why I have an issue as I have no idea who is the good the bad or the ugly. So if you can enlighten us I'm more than willing to listen.
PS: And speaking of the Muslim brotherhood, which by the way The Egyptians have just voted into power, after we helped them kick out their last leader as they had appealed to us to do. Because they wanted Democracy. And what did this muslim country do? They went and voted the radical muslim brotherhood to power to rule over them And what is the Muslim Brotherhoods motto? >>> Muslim Brotherhood's motto which is their motto today, "Allah is our objective. The prophet is our leader. The Koran is our law. Jihad is our way. And dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu Akbar." So don't you see that that would have US Americans concerned at the very least? We are just trying to understand all of this insanity.

[wmaousley]

Please educate us them. How are we to tell the difference between the two when both claim the right to allah?

Hitler claimed to be close to Jesus, Does that make him a Christian? Fvck no Does that make all christians just like Hitler? Fvck no see where I am going with this? Its common sense.

[Shol'va]

Hitler claimed to be close to Jesus, Does that make him a Christian? Fvck no Does that make all christians just like Hitler? Fvck no see where I am going with this? Its common sense.

Oh Great Now Make this thread about common sense why don't you? jk But seriously since we are on the educating subject and believe you me we all need it here, myself included. Can you tell us why since these few are bastardising Islam in the worst way, why can't or won't the masses who live for peace step up and be heard and put a stop to these hate mongers using Islam as an excuse for their barbarianism? And why did Egypt vote in the Muslim Brotherhood whose own motto is "Allah is our objective. The prophet is our leader. The Koran is our law. Jihad is our way. And dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu Akbar." I know you don't have all the answers cause if you did you wouldn't be where you are now. But if it helps with understanding at least on the forum you will have done a service to us all. Hopefully you won't think I'm in an attack mode against you or your religion. Like I have said I'm all for everyone getting along. And I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of hate as well. I still have scar or two from it. But you also have to admit that it does look bad when over 20 middle eastern countries are having large protesting attacks against the US and no one is stopping them from it especially if the overwhelming majority of muslims are moderate and peaceful. That is also what is hard to understand, when we as a nation are trying to help these people better themselves. I will refrain or try harder at least from bad mouthing Islam in general and separate the hate mongers who use the religion as an excuse to kill verses moderates who use it for peace. Now if you can change the minds of about 100 million more Americans who view everyone in the same category....

[wmaousley]

Oh Great Now Make this thread about common sense why don't you? jk But seriously since we are on the educating subject and believe you me we all need it here, myself included. Can you tell us why since these few are bastardising Islam in the worst way, why can't or won't the masses who live for peace step up and be heard and put a stop to these hate mongers using Islam as an excuse for their barbarianism? And why did Egypt vote in the Muslim Brotherhood whose own motto is "Allah is our objective. The prophet is our leader. The Koran is our law. Jihad is our way. And dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope. Allahu Akbar." I know you don't have all the answers cause if you did you wouldn't be where you are now. But if it helps with understanding at least on the forum you will have done a service to us all. Hopefully you won't think I'm in an attack mode against you or your religion. Like I have said I'm all for everyone getting along. And I know what it's like to be on the receiving end of hate as well. I still have scar or two from it. But you also have to admit that it does look bad when over 20 middle eastern countries are having large protesting attacks against the US and no one is stopping them from it especially if the overwhelming majority of muslims are moderate and peaceful. That is also what is hard to understand, when we as a nation are trying to help these people better themselves. I will refrain or try harder at least from bad mouthing Islam in general and separate the hate mongers who use the religion as an excuse to kill verses moderates who use it for peace. Now if you can change the minds of about 100 million more Americans who view everyone in the same category....

I wouldnt say they are bastardizing Islam, more like desecrating its true meaning. I wish I could answer why these groups do the things they do and the only explaination I have is every society, culture, religion, race, ethnicity has its bad and good. The problem with the world in todays society are the news outlets superior ability to only show the negative side of everything. Ther have been protests at the US Embassy here in Kuwait over this film, and the number of protesters were in the hundreds compared to a population of 2.7 million, the few hundred protestors made the front page newspaper because of this and so it gives the impression that everyone is protesting when in reality, no one really cares about this film. Not one Arab has asked me about the film or spoken about it.

example: after certain hockey games a few will encite a riot and damn near burn a city to the ground, this also makes front page news giving the impression that every person in this city is crazy, should we all carry the crazy label for the acts of a few? NO

So you hear about 20 countries having protests about this film; open the washington post and look at how many protests americans stage daily at foreign embassy/consulates in DC alone. You will be amazed, but this doesnt make headline news because America likes to air out others dirty laundry vs. their own as do most other countries with media outlets.

About mind changing; I, you or no one else can change the minds/thought process of anyone else. You have only the power to change your own free will and I strongly believe that.

Before I joined the US Army I was catholic, never went to church, really could care less about any form of religion. I hated arabs, muslims and anyone that remotely looked middle eastern/muslim. Fast forward: I went to war in Iraq and things quickly changed. Things got worse, I was losing friends monthly to these people and my hatred grew damn near out of control. I would want to fire my weapon at anyone moving, almost killed a few IP's in the process of all this. My unit was sent to provide security/detainee ops at Abu Ghraib (Called BCCF at the time). I wanted nothing to do with feeding prisoners, giving them soap, medical attention or anything to help them, until I met a prisoner (Abu Abdullah we will call him here) who was a Colonel in Saddams Baath Party Intelligence division and a Harvard University graduate. Abu Abdullah was a diabetic so I had to give him special food at meal times which allowed him to come out of his holding area and sit with me at a picnic table and eat. We started talking about random subjects after a few days and I started to see this man as a man and not a muslim, arab, terrorists ect; After a month I asked him some of the same questions you are all asking me now and he had no answers other than "prevailing ignorance". Abu Abdullah helped me see the good side of Arabs, Muslims which helped me change into who I am today. I thank this man weekly for giving me my sanity and showing me the path to peace within myself.

The reason for this short story is to show you that its possible for people who hate for no reason to change as I did. But that person must want to change and have an open mind. News outlets hinder this in a major way. CNN is very different than CNN International, CNN will show a different view of a story than CNN International and its so sad. But Americans will continue to dive headfirst into believing what CNN, MSNBC, FOX NEWS ect continues to tell them.


Maybe I got a bit off track here, but I needed you all to know where I came from.

[Shol'va]

[QUOTE=wmaousley;6163166]I am an American and proud of it; I am a US Combat Veteran and proud of it. I am also a Muslim and proud of it, although not a very good one because I drink, curse and do many other things not allowed in Islam.

Most of the words some of you say are really disturbing, I never come here and bash anyone for being Black, White, Brown, Yellow, Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Agnostic, Middle Eastern, American, European, Asian, African, Latin, Straight, Gay, Bisexual or anything that may categorize and individual or group. I keep that shlt to myself as most of you should. But in this case all of you are getting it wrong. Arabs arent doint this shlt, Africans are....

Somewhere deep in Africa there are Africans saying Hey It Wasn't Us doing that Sh*t....It was those Jewish people....And the Jewish are saying whoa it wasn't us it was the Palestinians and on and on....lol

This is in no means meant as a slam on you WM. I just saw some humor in it that's all.

[AXx]

That's where I get lost too Gix, some say the Muslims did some say someone else did it. The Muslim brotherhood has taken credit for things that have been done. We aren't over there so we only put the prices together on what we hear/read.

[AXx]

Are we not going to get our answers??

[austinite]

It's Gods job to judge the terrorists. It's our job to arrange the meeting.

Really tho, I don't believe in god. But I remember that bumper sticker.

[Shsm]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=T5iZwB2pWA8

[east coast 13]

Great story , a love to hear it all .

[AXx]

Interesting to say the least. Good read WM

[wmaousley]

thanks guys

[austinite]

Well, regardless of anyone's beliefs, thank you for your services, WM.

[wmaousley]

Well, regardless of anyone's beliefs, thank you for your services, WM.

Thank you sir, it was an honor to serve my country and one of the best choices I have ever made in my life.

[Flagg]

I always enjoy WM's posts.

I see a lot of the same tired crap here "not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslim" - it's a statement that's been parroted around here for awhile now.

I used to be one of the most outspoken members here about organised religion, the fact is people are brought up a certain way, reflective on their environment. I'm not a muslim because I wasn't born in the Middle East, I was born in the UK. However im no Catholic or Christian, I was never baptised. Some people are born with rage in their hearts, and need an excuse to channel that. And unfortunately, all the Media is good for is depressing the masses and telling us how evil everyone that isn't you, is.

I still dont think organised religion is a good thing, but there are times that I believe that if religion didn't exist, we'd just find other reasons to hate each other.

[Hoggage_54]

Good story WM, it's like you lived the Middle Eastern version of American History X. But why you gotta go picking on hockey rioters!?? That makes my country look bad... go pick on Soccer rioters, Soccer is the "Sport of Peace" hehehe... and doesn't make my country look bad.

[wmaousley]

Good story WM, it's like you lived the Middle Eastern version of American History X. But why you gotta go picking on hockey rioters!?? That makes my country look bad... go pick on Soccer rioters, Soccer is the "Sport of Peace" hehehe... and doesn't make my country look bad.

loool I wasnt targeting Hockey, its just what came to mind at the time. , we all know hockey players are brutal as well as their fans

[wmaousley]

Good story WM, it's like you lived the Middle Eastern version of American History X. But why you gotta go picking on hockey rioters!?? That makes my country look bad... go pick on Soccer rioters, Soccer is the "Sport of Peace" hehehe... and doesn't make my country look bad.

loool I wasnt targeting Hockey, its just what came to mind at the time. , we all know hockey players are brutal as well as their fans

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http://news.yahoo.com/libyans-storm-...225317193.html

there are lots of peace-loving muslims. don't just look at the fanatics.

[wmaousley]

http://news.yahoo.com/libyans-storm-...225317193.html

there are lots of peace-loving muslims. don't just look at the fanatics.

While this is good news, the mainstream media will never cover anything as positive as this.

[Shol'va]

While this is good news, the mainstream media will never cover anything as positive as this.

No but I will..see pics below...






It breaks my heart to say it Wmousley but I had to search long and wide to even find these buried in the net. Anyhow this is my way of confirming what you said about most Islamists are against this BS terrorism. I only wish they could control it. But it seems the mullahs have a lot to do with fanning the anti American flames though. Maybe I'm wrong but that is what it seems. They are called to prayer and then the mullahs tell their congregation about a film made slamming their faith and then all hell breaks loose. So maybe if we could convince the mullahs to tone it down. I don't know if that is even possible, due to our differences in lifestyles as we are perceived as a decadent society, unfortunately. But on the flip side, it is also sad that we have not seen any of these pro America pictures on American tv, with the exception of Real Time With Bill Maher on HBO. I'm now hearing though that this anti Islamic movie was financed and produced by an Egyptian. I wonder how that will go over in the Middle Eastern World once they find out it was one of their own who did this deed. We shall see. His name is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, and he considers himself a coptic christian. Whatever that is
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...rn-ex-con?lite

[ramacher]

Still baffles my mind why we support these countries...