Sustanon and why you shouldnt use it

[The Iron Game]

Originally posted by CYCLEON


BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yes IG, maybe you should try a little sust before knocking it - Hi, Im starting up a little "Donate All ur Testosterone (Sustanon) for Irongame to Try it" (DATS IT) for short. Please send any spare amps or vials to the below address (no empties please), care of yours truly.

I think IG has had a bit of sust before Compaq, its not that hes saying it doesnt work - i think his point is that its overpriced and its many esters confuses newbies when they should be injectiong it more often to get the benefit of its short esters.

Muhahahahaha Thank You Sir

[Billy Boy]

Ok all the funny comments aside and maybe I,m thick but how do you guys think that Sust is best used

I,m going to do Sust at 500mg in 2 shots twice a week.Is this the most effective way of doing it or is there a better way I can utilize this compound.(I,m doing a sust/deca/d-bol cycle)

I,m gonna read the posts again so I may be editing this soon!!

Sorry IG if you have to repeat something you,ve already written

Billy

[pureanger]

Billy when im on sust thats the wasy i gemerally use it. but i to could be reading the post wrong. I happen to like sust and got good results but I was also stacking with a few different AS

[Big Al]

Billy,

To get the benefit of the four different esters it has been recommended to inject EOD however, thats close 750-100mg EW, so first cycle NO! But two injections per week and you'll get good results. Cycleon.......I might just call him Cleo easier to spell mentioned that I think!

I'm personnally swayed to Ethanate next time round, mainly cos I don't like waiting LOL.

Trust me bro, you gonna get gains and big ones! Lets face it as you age and the number of cycle's increase these Vet's need to chop and change and be more precise than a newbie, don't get me wrong newbie's gotta be safe, but as long as the course is well structured, the diet and training are spot on the guys gonna grow. Sus/Eth/Cyp/Prop/Depot/Susp etc etc its all good.

BA

[Billy Boy]

Thanks guys thats what I thought EOD I was like fuck you,ve got to be j/king I want to get bigger but hell within reason lol

Billy

[Mike]

This post has become WAY too funny.......knock it off.....

[nev]

hey i've been using sust now for 2 and a half weeks and i have put on 12 lbs. that's good and all but about five days ago i got the sust flu. i haven't gained much since i got sick mainly because my sleeping is all messed up. i am eating enough, but the flu is killing me. i was wondering how long it lasts and if there is anything i should or shouldn't do while having the sust flu

[bex]

I always use sus and the only sides i have found is about 20lb of gain.. But as you say people are diffrent.....

[bluecollarskin]

I come to this board for education....Period. It's because of People like this Zion guy is why a lot of other boards suck. Debating is great, imature pissing contests are a waste of time and bandwidth. Just my opinion..................BCS

[The Iron Game]

Originally posted by zion
How do u figure that sustanon retains water and aromatizes?? where is this scientific proof??

Oh my, I didnt read that part. No sustanon doesnt aromatise, doesnt convert to estrogen and dht. Its majic, because there are 4 esters it prevents this from happening. How could you even ask for scientific proof of this.

[The Iron Game]

Why is everyone still complaining how their sustanon is hurting them how im not seeing results yet. Use something else.

[The Iron Game]

Injecting one amp a day, is what he is advising, this no one can dispute that you wont get results, but how about an amp of enanthate a day? We are updating the profiles page and going to modify certain steroid profiles.

[Andy13]

Sustanon's esters can be averaged and a mean half life determined. This half life is shorter than TE.

[The Iron Game]

Andy, I dont believe so. If the half life was shorter than Te there would be greater raw test in sustanon over te. Not the case?

Then there is the unexplained mystery as to why people dont feel any major improvements on sust until between week 3-4 on 500mgs of sust/wk and between week 2-3 on te.

[MeBoach]

Great post. I tried eye pee's sust 300 and hated it. I got terrible soreness and sust. flu everytime, almost. The gains are impressive though.

[Andy13]

Originally posted by The Iron Game
Andy, I dont believe so. If the half life was shorter than Te there would be greater raw test in sustanon over te. Not the case?

Then there is the unexplained mystery as to why people dont feel any major improvements on sust until between week 3-4 on 500mgs of sust/wk and between week 2-3 on te.

The over-all "theoretical" half life is indeed shorter than TE. That's because the deconate ester doesn't amount to that much since the molecular weight of it's ester is so great.

As to why guy's don't feel improvements until week 3-4 with sustanon... I don't know.. Probably because someone told them they wouldn't feel improvements until that time.. I'm serious!!! Suggestive psychology runs wild in BBing.

[moto]

gotta respect the knowledge from the people on this board you should not knock anyones opinions or facts. and if you do make shure you know what your writing when writing it . one persons attitude makes me want to puke and its not from sust flu it's from talking smack to a very knowledgeable person on this board. one bad apple wont ruin this tree the bad apple eventually shrivels up and falls off the tree

[moto]

gotta respect the knowledge from the people on this board you should not knock anyones opinions or facts. and if you do make shure you know what your writing when writing it . one persons attitude makes me want to puke and its not from sust flu it's from talking smack to a very knowledgeable person on this board. one bad apple wont ruin this tree the bad apple eventually shrivels up and falls off the tree

[jkkk]

The reason people use sust250 is mostly because that's the only thing available. If cypionate was available around here people would be a lot happier. The only other test around ontario is enthanate from Valopharm(shitty)Other than that, were stuck w/ sust250 and there's lots of big guys walking around that jusy stack with fina and call it a day.

[Sicilian30]

Boy we have a test argument. Dammit, I just ordered a shit load of Sus... first time me doin sus, now I am all depressed.. dammit Iron..
Oh well, I wanna see how my body will react to it. I might throw in some deca and winny to counter act the bloating if that occurs.. thanks for the input, a day late and a dollar shot.
And I thought I did alot of research on Sustanon, oh well I think from what I have heard, it is more to me, what Billy said, it depends on the individual. OH well, hope it works for me.. Keep ya'll up to date on my progres..

[RON]

Great thread!!!!! this was what made me use t-200. This and the one that called sus and deca the juice of the devil. Well there was the matter of t-200 being so cheap too

Sicilian bro, don't worry bout it I'm sure you have seen how some guys swear by it in here. Just a lot of alcohol but what's a little pain. IMHO its engineered much better than t400 at least. I'm sure you'll get some good gain out of it bro.

[Met-Rx]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JRMY2711
[B]HERE IS THE SYMPTOMS I READ FOR SUST THE OTHER DAY.

cases of impotence, chronic priapism, epididymitis, inhibition of testicular function, oligospermia



Isn't this true for most steroids?

[blaylock]

hey guys, Im not a new user but havent really gotten to crazy. I just started sust cause its the only thing here that i can get, if you were to take it or how should i take it? Im at a level in my training were i think something is nesesary. Ive taken sust before and gotten pretty good results, what should i do?

[Master P]

What is front loading? This is a new term to me.

[jkkk]

Frontloading is an something only advanced users should get into. Basically for the first couple weeks you take double the dosage that you plan on taking throughout the cycle.
ex. weeks 1+2 - 1000mg sust250
weeks 3-8 - 500mg sust250
if you try it plan on side effects a lot quicker and also gains will start sooner. good luck sleeping.

[Redneck]

Ok I finally made it through the entire post and have (what I think) are some resonablre queations. Why not front load with sust? Is 250sust ETD good enough to see the full benifits. If this post does end up changing my mind what is a resonable dosage for test cyp or enth. This will be my first cycle and I was planning 750sustwk1&2 500wk3-8.
After reading im debating if I should get testcyp/enth instead or if I should just break the sust down into two shots a week?
thanks

[Canes4Ever]

IG could you explain a little bit more ? I am just starting to look into using and I want to use Enanthate I think. Did I read correctly on the AR Drug profiles that it (Enanthate) cause more gyno ?

[Goodwinners]

wow, thats cool

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[jkkk]

Redneck - That would be a smart choice for a first cycle, you will experience the effects of the sust250 a little sooner that way. You don't really need the cyp or enth. Remember that article is one mans opinion. If you do research more people will disagree with the article than agree with it. Frontloading anything will result in faster gains. Plus it is an advanced method. Stick to basics for your first cycle, but don't start until EVERYTHING is in your hand for the entire cycle, Nolvadex, clomid, vitamins, steroids,creatine, glutamine, protein, your diet and training. If all these are not in check, expect a shitty first cycle and expect to lose most or all your gains.

[RDK800617]

Great post.
Thanks for the info IG.
I took sustanon for 3 weeks(combined with otherAS) and gained 15lbs. Then I took enanthate for 3 weeks and gained 12lbs.So to me it didn't really make a difference, but in the end it al comes down to the individuals body structure and how his body reacts to sertain AS.This is what i think, correct me if i'm wrong. But still great post-keep it up

[diesel21]

weird.. i used 20 russians, twice a week and had great gains.. 10 pounds solid as a rock. no problems what so ever and i love it.. will do it again and hopefully nothing will happen know that this post has made me paranoid. (kept half of what I gained.

[mspata]

Ive used Sust in 2 cycles... both times I had 2 strange side effects. I used the Tokkyo brand both times... legit stuff. First shot each cycle, I got a three day rash over my quadricep muscles and had difficulty walking... very sore. My skin was red and it scared the hell out of me... thought I had an infection or fasciitis. It went away with no problem. Problem number two was the sust flu... it is some real shit for me. First shot both cycles. The first cycle was the worst... I was in bed, missing work, for three days. Bed sweats and all. But... I did make good gains both cycles... but I don't think I want to deal with it anymore. Enanthate doesn't do this to me. By the way, I started with 500 mg each cycle. And also, no more problems after the first week. So, it was ok after the first shot. I wish I understood this phenomenon more.

[reli]

in papper sustanon seems as the superior of cyp,porp,enth nevrtheless i have experienced the greatest results from test prop especially when inject it eod,it doesnt mean its better it just worked better for me

[jdvctt73]

Most of my friends use sust two shots a week. and just add prop alone on other days.

[mustanggurl]

i did sustanon about a year ago, to this date all the side effects are coming back, zits, aggression, moods, puffiness in my muscles. Is this normal or is there something wrong? should i be expeiriencing the taste again even thought im no longer on sustanon.?
help.

[m0728]

I was deciding what to take for my first cycle, I was told that sust was a great choice. My only real complaint is the sust flu. Once I had to inject the full 500mg in one day. I was so sick I couldn't sleep and was throwing up. It goes away pretty quickly though. I usually dont get that flu from my 250 mg twice a weeks.

[dsc]

I just did a cycle of sust, and I agree with you guys. Sust sucks, I was sick as hell for a couple of days after injecting for about my first two weeks. I even threw up once. The stuff also hurt like hell for a couple days after injections for about the first three weeks. Definetly going with enanthate on the next cycle.

[abstrack]

IG-- where were you my brotha when I was having this same debate with people??? I have had this same debate on 2 boards now!! I am glad to see I am not crazy and at least some people see what I am looking at.

I am keeping this one as a sticky for me!!

[muscles on lay away]

i am a newbie learning shit everyday that i am on here I am takin sust 250 pakistan. 500 every 5 days have slight flu syptoms have taken for 4 wks have gained 12lbs of rock and my weights have jumped off the chart. hardly any water.other than the flu feel great look even better. so far sust has done me no wrong.

[Kelvin]

I am also currently on sustanon 250. I have been keeping track of the threads on this site about sustanon. I personally don't have any problems with it whatsoever. I guess that sustanon agrees with this body!!! There seems to be much contraversy about it. Some do like it, some don't. I can only say that for this body, sustanon is all good. For the next person .....?