how important is diet really??

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seriously, to toilet, i think its a little late for this, but....

start your own thread! dont hijack!

[toilet]

seriously, to toilet, i think its a little late for this, but....

start your own thread! dont hijack!

I'm not hijacking lol... im refuting the idiots that are telling the OP misinformation. Though ironically a few of the posts completely ripping into whey on the first page have now conveniently disappeared...perhaps out of shame due to the sheer idiocy contained in them.

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I can't tell you the last time I drank a protein shake.
I try to please Chx. And try to impress AD.

i must say, i am truly and thoroughly impressed. but wait, let me get my reading glasses.... your post is a tad long...lol

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

Consumer Reports conducted an eye-opening investigation that revealed several protein powders contain heavy metals - specifically arsenic, cadmium, and lead. EAS Myoplex tested for two heavy metals in higher amounts than the USP limit of exposure per day. Muscle Milk had the highest of all levels of all brands tested.

Here's an excerpt taken from the Consumer Reports investigation on Protein Powders:
Cadmium raises special concern because it accumulates in and can damage the kidneys, the same organs that can be damaged by excessive protein consumption. And it can take 20 years for the body to eliminate even half the cadmium absorbed today." This is a highly toxic metal, and while there are some cases where decisions have to be weighed against relative risks, accepting that you have to be exposed to any cadmium at all in your protein drink after your workout is definitely not one of them," says Michael Harbut, M.D., director of the Environmental Cancer Initiative at the Karmanos Cancer Institute in Royal Oak, Mich.
"When these toxic heavy metals are combined in a product that is marketed for daily use, that raises serious public health concerns, especially for pregnant women, children, and young adults," says Burns, who has been a toxicology consultant to state and federal government agencies.

Soy Protein

Many protein drinks use soy protein concentrate or soy protein isolate in conjunction with other proteins. Over 90% of the soy produced in this country is GMO - but that's not the only reason to avoid soy protein. When soy is looked at from a macronutrient perspective, it can give the illusion of a very healthy food - full of plant based protein, essential amino acids and fiber. However, the soy that is grown and produced today is largely hybridized, making the amino acids largely indigestible leading to digestive issues that have caused many people to be allergic to soy. What's worse is when soy is isolated to just its protein state, it becomes severely denatured and can cause hormonal disruptions because of the excessive amount of estrogen contained in it. Soy also has an abundance of phytic acid that leeches calcium and other vital minerals from your body.

Maltodextrin

Calling out an ingredient filler like maltodextrin may make you think I'm being nitpicky - but is this carb substitute that is likely derived from genetically modified corn really necessary in protein powders? Maltodextrin can be used to make a substance like "fibersol" that, for instance, is in the Body by Vi Shakes. This fibersol is made by heating maltodextrin at very high temperatures and treating it with enzymes and acids to make a fiber your body simply can't digest and makes you feel artificially full. If you are eating enough plant-based foods, there is no reason to supplement with this type of chemically derived fiber. Fibersol is just another additive that does absolutely nothing for your long term health. Why not add a real food like spinach or a banana to your smoothie instead?

Acesulfame Potassium or Acesulfame K

This is the most common form of artificial sweetener available in protein drinks (and tons of other processed foods) today and according the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI) it is anything but safe. CSPI reported the safety tests of acesulfame-K that were conducted in the 1970s were inadequate. Specifically, two rat studies suggest that the additive might cause cancer, but these studies were never addressed by the FDA before they approved the substance to also be used unregulated in soft drinks. In addition it is mentioned that large doses of acetoacetamide (a breakdown product of this sugar) have been shown to affect the thyroid in rats, rabbits, and dogs. This toxic sugar substitute can be found in EAS Myoplex, Isogen, Pure Protein, Atkins, and Muscle Milk.
Whey Protein Isolate

Whey protein isolate is highly processed, unlike whole protein food concentrate. Most whey protein isolates start from ultra-pasteurized conventional milk that has antibiotics and growth hormones and are then exposed to acid processing, stripping alkalinizing minerals, naturally occurring vitamins and lipids. This processing makes whey protein isolate over acidifying in the body. Chronically consuming whey protein isolate without appropriate balance of alkalizing foods, can acidify your body and over time increase your vulnerability to degenerative disease. This overly processed form of whey can be found in a lot of popular protein drinks that are not included in this list but marketed under generic or store brand names including the one by Gatorade called "Recover."
Luckily, you don't have to rely on protein drinks because simply eating a variety of real food alone gives you plenty of protein.

I learned something here

[Chx beach 79]

Toilet, all kidding aside. Are you practicing for a debate meet or something?

[toilet]

no lol i don't do debating. Too long in law school results in you automatically arguing in a certain way.

[Chx beach 79]

Ah! Gotcha... So you debate for a living?

[toilet]

noo not exactly lol. Still in uni... (or college as you call it). gonna be there 6 yrs :/ nearly done thank god

[Chx beach 79]

Well you are obviously going to be one hell of a lawyer!!! You can argue anything...(even if its BS) It is entertaining to say the least. I feel bad for the poor kid who started this thread.

[toilet]

Well you are obviously going to be one hell of a lawyer!!! You can argue anything...(even if its BS) It is entertaining to say the least. I feel bad for the poor kid who started this thread.

haha not really brah. There are so many out there better than me. I'm average at best. Don't even want to be a lawyer it is shit boring and they get worked so hard. It is just a useful major to have so I was like meh

[Chx beach 79]

I have a FCC attorney who works for me and he does quite well. But he is always just sitting in his office, with tons of paperwork. Definitely not for me, a lot of schematics...

[toilet]

I have a FCC attorney who works for me and he does quite well. But he is always just sitting in his office, with tons of paperwork. Definitely not for me, a lot of schematics...

What do you do for a living?

@buzzard; good job dude. This is just my personal opinion but; I think diet sodas are one of the worst things on the planet and should be avoided like the plague at all times.

[Chx beach 79]

What do you do for a living?

@buzzard; good job dude. This is just my personal opinion but; I think diet sodas are one of the worst things on the planet and should be avoided like the plague at all times.

Me and my family own a chain of radio stations in the U.S. 21 stations total.

[Chx beach 79]

This is what it looked like:

[toilet]

This is what it looked like:

looks good. did you happen to calculate the macros ?

[Chx beach 79]

I way out the rice and chicken: I have been doing this for a while...

Protein: 40-50g
Carbs: 35-50g
Fats: around 5

About 350 cals.

The gravy is fake so it is only 20 cals...

If I don't need the carbs depending on the time of day I just don't eat them, but they are there if I need them...

[toilet]

It looks quite filling for only 300 cals! At the moment I have like no appetite so I'm sticking to calorie dense foods. I eat nearly a pound of oats a day now that Im back bulking. I just pour water on them and eat them straight. probably not the best idea...

and wow that should bring in a lot of money^

[Chx beach 79]

It looks quite filling for only 300 cals! At the moment I have like no appetite so I'm sticking to calorie dense foods. I eat nearly a pound of oats a day now that Im back bulking. I just pour water on them and eat them straight. probably not the best idea...

and wow that should bring in a lot of money^

Yeah we are in a good spot now, paid of the last station 3 months ago and we are about to purchase a new one in NYC!!! It is very exciting, the #1 market in America!... Just waiting on the damn FCC attorney to get everything approved! Haha

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

toilet ;6604847] It looks quite filling for only 300 cals! At the moment I have like no appetite so I'm sticking to calorie dense foods. I eat nearly a pound of oats a day now that Im back bulking. I just pour water on them and eat them straight. probably not the best idea...

and wow that should bring in a lot of money^

I am no pro but, IMHO & from my research, you will be amazed at the way cjc 1295 w/o DAC, GHRP 2 , Semerolin and HGH Frag 176 -191 will effect you , you will melt fat and taking into consideration you inject all 3, 3 times a day your appitite will go through the roof ! and loose fat at a rate that will shock you ! am pin, 1 hr pre w/o pin, and after w/o pin, this is the tuff one because you are so hungry if you work out a night you have to eat or it will keep you awake ? I have heard different views as to GHRP 2 & GHRP 6 ? I am going to try 2 vials of GHRP 6 and see if I have = fat loose ?

From old dude that could eat Big Macs in my 20's and not worry . . . . lol!

[Chx beach 79]

What's so bad about diet soda? I don't drink many but I might quit all together. I have always heard differing stories...

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What's so bad about diet soda? I don't drink many but I might quit all together. I have always heard differing stories...

simple bro, just google "diet soda exposed", you'll get a ton of hits.

same goes for the whey debate. google "whey protein supplement exposed" and you'll find all the arguments you need

[toilet]

Well I don't have any scientific evidence against it, so sadly I can just say it is my opinion but; I've heard horror stories of people who have consumed a few litres of it a day collapsing with heart attacks and having a heap of problems. Same with energy drinks; will not touch the stuff - had like 1 red bull in my life that is it.

[Chx beach 79]

Well I don't have any scientific evidence against it, so sadly I can just say it is my opinion but; I've heard horror stories of people who have consumed a few litres of it a day collapsing with heart attacks and having a heap of problems. Same with energy drinks; will not touch the stuff - had like 1 red bull in my life that is it.

I figured it was garbage, just never knew why...

[toilet]

I'm sure if we spent some time on google we could find some shit on the specific chemicals that are in it. But not much point really. It serves no nutritional benefit anyway so meh

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

PS . I have bad eye site . . . lol old man and I can't read the normal font if this is offensive to members I will srink it back ? Not intented to offend !


Oh an after thought I can't afford Greek low fat low Carb Yougart, but cottage cheese , and I think it was Marcus earlier who mentioned a couple of other dairy products as opposed to my o dairy approach ; sure would make some boring meals better


See I can't read this small of a font ?

[Chx beach 79]

Unless someone wants to argue it! Lol

[Chx beach 79]

Sorry OP, got of track for a bit... My apologies!

[Chx beach 79]

I am scared of what I might read! Haha

[pawn master]

I use ON gold standard Whey powder because I need to take in 500+ grams of protein while on aas and 250 -300 just to maintain. But I tell ya after years of doing this is does not fill me up and make me feel anywhere near has good has when I eat one my my 5 huge meals everyday. I have made the mistake of over using whey and not feeling very energised when I hit the gym. I took some great advice from vets years ago and now eat pretty much the same different 5 meals everyday and I feel a millions times better and stronger. Whey has its place but it is no substitution for quality foods.

[Chx beach 79]

I use ON gold standard Whey powder because I need to take in 500+ grams of protein while on aas and 250 -300 just to maintain. But I tell ya after years of doing this is does not fill me up and make me feel anywhere near has good has when I eat one my my 5 huge meals everyday. I have made the mistake of over using whey and not feeling very energised when I hit the gym. I took some great advice from vets years ago and now eat pretty much the same different 5 meals everyday and I feel a millions times better and stronger. Whey has its place but it is no substitution for quality foods.

That's a lot of protein!!

[toilet]

I'm sorry but you don't need 500 grams of protein lol. Unless you weigh like 400lbs or something...

The excess will just convert to glucose (or however it works)... expensive carbs brah.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Oh when I say $400.00 for a mth food budget that does mean pic and choose when to purchase my bulk items which are everything except Veggies and a few other misl stapels . I have lost about 30 lbs in 8 mths and I am nothing like the big guys Fit2bold, kel and Marcus but under all that fat were the muscles from many years ago and 10 year of non stop juicing in the 80's so the need for TRT. I probably need to change my % around I have been so focused on loosing fat and mataing lean muscle I have been at 75% Protein 10% Carbs and 15% fats and I am low on energy so I think I will change the Fat to lowest possible because IMO I am going to get 10% even if I try not to ?

I just have this strange issue of belly bloating when I eat carbs , or does anyone care to offer a reason for my bloating I eat 4 meals a day and 2 decent snacks and 2 small snacks pre and post w/o ? WHY DO I BLOAT AND THE NEXT DAY FLAT AGAIN ? Makes me not want to eat but I still force myself to eat ! Proteins do not cause any gas issues for me and I am leaning out very good and I have a goal of loosing down to 205 and be TRT balanced and then when under control do a couple of blast and get my size back because even now at my size I am noticed as bigger than average ! Dose that sound like a doable goal ?

One thing I do know is Diet sodas are posion for anyone attempting to eat smart ! Diet is a joke they just replace the sugar with chems and they really are posion to your body I went cold turkey on sodas and had 1 beer last mth

[toilet]

Losing fat does not mean you cut fat out of your diet. You need healthy fats to regulate your metabolism. That ratio is totally whack imo... need more carbs more fat less protein. Excess protein gets converted to carbs anyway if my memory serves me correctly. Bloating would depend on what you eat really... sodium content of meals? Perhaps a lot of carbonation from certain drinks?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Losing fat does not mean you cut fat out of your diet. You need healthy fats to regulate your metabolism. That ratio is totally whack imo... need more carbs more fat less protein. Excess protein gets converted to carbs anyway if my memory serves me correctly. Bloating would depend on what you eat really... sodium content of meals? Perhaps a lot of carbonation from certain drinks?

No drink issue ; water Protein shakes, Ice tea, almond milkvery little processed food and I add no NACL , Protein does not convert to anything except Protein. Lack of enough Carbs would account for low energy level ? Very basic and boring meals chicken, tuna, brown rice, nuts , small amout of freash fruit in season possible a cup in a snack + portions of veggies ? I am probably off on my fat intake due to all the hidden fat even in tuna and chicken and turkey + the fat in nuts Almonds and spanish peanuts and oh I forgot some peanut butter say a table spoon with a snack ? So I am getting enough fat it is the carbs I am short of and carbs = energy I do eat am carbs and post and pre w/o ?

Keep in mind also I am only on 100 mgs of Testosterone a week and I have the metabolism of a 54 year old not a 27 or 30 year old and age does make a difference Oh one minor detail I am on prescription pain meds of 60 mgs of Oxycodone a day . I do have sever pain issues to deal with in addition to the opiates and my metabolisim !

[pawn master]

I weigh 250 now and this is my maintenance weight. When I start aas I use 2 grams of protein per pound. Works for me. And yes its a lot I agree but in maintenance I use 250-300 for 1 gram per pound . This is the diet program laid out for my by a man who is 320 HUGE and has given me a lot of good advice over the years. Since I started listening to him I made better gains then ever before. I also do a lot of cardio, probably too much for maximum muscle gain. I play hockey so I burn tons of calories.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I weigh 250 now and this is my maintenance weight. When I start aas I use 2 grams of protein per pound. Works for me. And yes its a lot I agree but in maintenance I use 250-300 for 1 gram per pound . This is the diet program laid out for my by a man who is 320 HUGE and has given me a lot of good advice over the years. Since I started listening to him I made better gains then ever before. I also do a lot of cardio, probably too much for maximum muscle gain. I play hockey so I burn tons of calories.

How tall are you and how old are you and do you take any opiates ?

[swazte2004]

I know that toilet has been trying to hide his pictures in hopes of hiding his stats, but I finally found it:



Now we can all agree to disagree, laugh and move on... And toilet, so that you know, many scientific studies out there can be easily manipulated, which ends up with a biased theory. In the end, I suggest that you try eating healthy (just natural meals full of protein) for a couple of weeks and see the difference, not only outside but inside (feeling of well-being).

[ChestNBack]

@ Chx is that all your meals for the day? or is that spread over three days? I'm just saying eating the same exact meal in one day, well.... Also I use to buy a lot of canned vegs and things but when my sexy roommate moved in she put me on to freash veggies. Yea cost more but you will get more nutritional value out of fresh foods use those processed canned and bagged foods.

[Chx beach 79]

I usually do fresh vegs also, but this last run I just did it as cheap as possible, so people would see there is no excuse for not being able to eat what is needed. I always here people say the don't have the money, so that was a example of how cheap it can be. I eat four of those meals a day and 3 other meals of my choosing...

[pawn master]

You can just look at my profile but I will be 35 in aug I am 6'4". NO OPIATES!