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  1. #1
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    yes there is a little bit of toxicity but NOTHING in reagrds to methylated steroids


    Plus I have seen around 8 peoples bloodwork that has showed liver enzymes return to normal after a methylated steroid while using ultra hotter.


    So there really is nothing to worry about with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryan2
    yes there is a little bit of toxicity but NOTHING in reagrds to methylated steroids


    Plus I have seen around 8 peoples bloodwork that has showed liver enzymes return to normal after a methylated steroid while using ultra hotter.


    So there really is nothing to worry about with it
    That is a good point. It might be a little liver toxic..but nothing like a dbol.

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    this is a great "log" and should be what one looks like. Lots of good questions ,and more importantly GREAT follow ups. I wish all 'logs' would be this informative.

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    would it make any sence to take clomid while using LMG? I had some kicking around a while ago from a cycle i did( ended up with a few to many from my pct). I took one before a few work outs and i really felt better. Not sure if it helped my lifts at all, but i really felt better durring those work outs.

    I read a few posts LONG AGO reguading just an anti E and Clomid cycle. The poster(who tried it) said it had some effect but wouldnt recomend doing it, just didnt get enough out of it to justify spending the money.

    But i was curious anyways since it surely made me feel better durring the work out. I felt warmer, my energy was up and my mood seemed better. I should mention i suffer from depression , and maybe my test gets low or something. I have it checked about once a year, just to make sure, and they always say its 'normal'. But i wasnt able to look at my results, so it could have been low-normal. That could be part of it, im not sure. Figured id try to get some opinions on taking clomid DURRING and after LMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peace_frog
    would it make any sence to take clomid while using LMG? I had some kicking around a while ago from a cycle i did( ended up with a few to many from my pct). I took one before a few work outs and i really felt better. Not sure if it helped my lifts at all, but i really felt better durring those work outs.

    I read a few posts LONG AGO reguading just an anti E and Clomid cycle. The poster(who tried it) said it had some effect but wouldnt recomend doing it, just didnt get enough out of it to justify spending the money.

    But i was curious anyways since it surely made me feel better durring the work out. I felt warmer, my energy was up and my mood seemed better. I should mention i suffer from depression , and maybe my test gets low or something. I have it checked about once a year, just to make sure, and they always say its 'normal'. But i wasnt able to look at my results, so it could have been low-normal. That could be part of it, im not sure. Figured id try to get some opinions on taking clomid DURRING and after LMG.
    I wouldnt take clomid during. If you want to use clomid, use it along with nolvadex for 4 weeks. Use the max LMG for 4 to 6 weeks and start the PCT the day after(honestly Im not sure about the LMG halflife but its not more than 9-11 hours or so I'd imagine). My PCT above worked really well, but if your test levels are low-normal you might want to consider this:
    Clomid day1:300mg day2-week 4: 100mg
    Nolvadex: week 1-4 20mg

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    cool bro thanx
    btw it probably wasnt the max that messed with my liver...

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    I didn't have my values checked but not a single side effect... Felt really good actually... Realy aggressive in the gym and just a happy feeling during normal daily activities... No liver pains and I ran it at 100mg a day... Plan on doing another cycle once I am done with PCT which is going great as well

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    Oh I also went and had my body composition test done... Here are the results.
    I took the first test on 8/16/2005 and then the follow up test on 10/20/2005
    29.7% BF to 19.3% BF
    220 lbs. to 202lbs
    Lean body mass from 154.7 lbs. to 169.7 lbs.
    Fat mass from 65.3 lbs. to 34.3 lbs.
    BMR from 2198 to 2368

    Great results as you can see and can be used in conjunction with a cutting diet and still gain a great amont of muscle.

    But remember I had a perfect diet and knew exactly what I was taking in and I was lifting 5 days a week. All the while only eating between 1300 to 1500 cals a day and not burning an ounce of muscle.

    Hope this goes to show that its very easy to have amazing results without using illegal drugs.

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    damn 1300-1500 and you still gained that much..very impressive

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    I just ate the most nutrient rich food possible so there for I didn't have to eat as many cals to prevent the burning of muscle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Special Sauce
    I just ate the most nutrient rich food possible so there for I didn't have to eat as many cals to prevent the burning of muscle
    wow that's great man... i just started my cycle today and hopefully in the end i have some kick ass results. i'm eating for the most part clean and atleast 6x a day... i'm eating like a mad man. i love this... i feel like i finally have some goals and what not and i'm so pumped to keep on going... oh man... i had my first workout tonight and i loved it just because i was amped up due to writing the weight i was pushing and everything along those lines. ahhhhh yessssss.... what a good feeling

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    sorry pump i forget..r u doin 75 or 100mg??

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    I will probably use it at 125mg for the next cycle. I can't find prostanzanol at the store I got it at first... So I don't know if I will stack it with that but something else... What do you guys think I should stack it with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Special Sauce
    I will probably use it at 125mg for the next cycle. I can't find prostanzanol at the store I got it at first... So I don't know if I will stack it with that but something else... What do you guys think I should stack it with?
    when i used it by itself it worked extremely well

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    75mg right now... thinkin of bumpin it up once i get my check from work and before they are all discontinued.

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    But stacks are and can allow for better results

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    what the heck is this stuff?

  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy
    what the heck is this stuff?
    its legal at the time....good shit I got some pretty good gains off it.

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    Hey chest i know i asked you this before, but why exactly did you only run it for 6 weeks? I'm taking 75mg each day and am getting great strength gains each week what is exactly what i was looking for. I have enough to run for another 5 weeks which will be a total for 8 weeks. What is the problem with running it for an additional 2 weeks for even more strength gains? Will i have to bump my pct a couple of weeks longer also? Thanks for the help,

  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by MysticGohan
    Hey chest i know i asked you this before, but why exactly did you only run it for 6 weeks? I'm taking 75mg each day and am getting great strength gains each week what is exactly what i was looking for. I have enough to run for another 5 weeks which will be a total for 8 weeks. What is the problem with running it for an additional 2 weeks for even more strength gains? Will i have to bump my pct a couple of weeks longer also? Thanks for the help,
    Id get some nolva/clomid or maybe increase the dosage of the PCT. Sure you can run it for 8 weeks..its not harsh on your liver so this can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chest6
    Id get some nolva/clomid or maybe increase the dosage of the PCT. Sure you can run it for 8 weeks..its not harsh on your liver so this can be done.
    Yeah I figured i'd have to bump my pct up a little. Thanks for the advice.

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    im thinking about running it for 8 weeks now too... anybody else ran it for 8 weeks?? or does anybody know when it starts to plateau??

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    never plateaued for me

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    then i just might have to go for 8 weeks... muha ha ha

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    Is PCT really a need after Max Lmg. Tribulus/Longjack ok, or not enough? Ultra Hotter?

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    bump?

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    PCT is ALWAYS need after a hormonal substitue is used!!!

    Herbs wont be enough for PCT ever

    UH will work as will SERMs like clomid/nolva

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