Clenbuterol handbook

[dellrugby]

this is an awesome post, thanks! My wife and I just got back to the US to have a baby, we have a 6 week old now. I am working in Juarez, Mexico, rather than going back to India until the baby can travel. My quesiton is this: I used to give my wife a little Winny and Clen to help her get cut. She is a former Bikini model. She wants to get back in the gym with me, but she is breast feeding. Would the CLen hurt her now?

Thanks!

[kaorialfred]

dude don't give it too her if she's feeding your kid. I belive its the same as anything else. There should be some kind of transfer of substance. I know my wife had some caffine once and my youngest wouldn't go to sleep until about 1:00 a.m.
JMO

[GREENMACHINE]

Bumpety Bump.

Great thread have to read this again.

[dellrugby]

KFred, thanks that makes sense. Our baby was 9 lbs 12 oz and at 6 weeks she is 14 1/2, she is size 2 pampers allready. I am thinking she will need to be doing some good mornings and squats real soon! My wife's BF is dropping like a rock just from breast feeding, she has lost almost all the weight allready from the pregnancy.

[Ryan2g]

Anyone know the schpiel witht he t3 ?

[ash146]

whats the shelf life of liquid clen?

[SwoleDave]

What exactly is tuarine???

[SwoleDave]

anyone?

[bignatt]

Although taurine (2-aminoethanesulfonic acid) was discovered more than 160 years ago, and much of the important research regarding its chemistry and biochemistry has been reported since that time, its real importance with reference to musculoskeletal physiology has only been recognised within the previous decade thanks to a series of fantastic studies by Anna-maria De Luca (Italy). "Human skeletal muscle is such an amazing structure allowing enormous variability in its functions but no doubt its ability to contract is of greatest importance" especially when it comes to human locomotion or our daily shimmy to the weight room for another challenging session. In this issue of MJ we are going on a journey of discovery regarding the use of this complex & multifunction sulfonated amino acid with some revolutionary views on its possible application to muscular performance enhancement.

[ Abundant In Nature ]


Taurine has been shown to be involved in many important physiological processes such as osmoregulation (control of water balance), antioxidant actions (free radical quenching), cell membrane structure, and most importantly for us the control of muscular contractions. The latter will form the basis of this article. To convey a comprehensive explanation of taurine supplementation & how it may effect muscle contractility would involve discussion on calcium transients, chloride conductance and the such, which its outside of the scope of this article and would probably send most of you to sleep within the first paragraph. Therefore I will stick to an applied approach, which will be just as informative (but not as dull).

As the above subheading suggests, taurine is abundant in mammalian skeletal muscle (yes that's you) but its physiological role is not yet completely understood. Let's bring you up to date on what we know so far... "All muscle fibres use Calcium (Ca2+) as their main signalling source for the initiation of contraction". They bind to specific proteins that are constituents of our muscle fibres allowing a controlled and fairly regulated process of muscular movement to occur. For this reason the importance of proteins or amino acids that are involved in the control and expression of Ca2+ will also have a significant effect on the contractile and relaxation properties of muscle fibres (in short they will effect the efficiency of your muscles). One such amino acid that regulates Ca2+ in such a way is taurine1,2. Taurine can work in such a way by modulating the uptake and release of Ca2+ from the muscle cell; it may also control other systems in the intracellular environment including sodium and chloride movement3.

[ Application To Exercise Performance ]


As a conditionally essential amino acid the biological role regarding exercise and taurine is poorly understood, on that score alone is worthy of study, however showing you the data available on muscle injury and exercise may be a more direct route showing its relation to improving or at least maintaining intracellular function. Matsuzaki et al4 is the latest paper to demonstrate a direct effect on muscle taurine concentrations following exercise. Although a rat study, it yields some interesting information regarding the effects of different exercise durations on intramuscular taurine contents. Three groups each carried out either 30, 60, or 100 minute treadmill running after which muscle biopsy analysis showed that there was a significant loss of taurine in the type two fibre (our fast twitch power fibres) but no loss in the type ones (slow twitch endurance fibres). Suggestive of the fact that taurine may be important in even the resistance-trained athlete undertaking endurance type training.



The study did not look directly at isolated single muscle fibres (individual fibre removed from a muscle biopsy sample) rather they looked at fibres from a biopsy taken from different muscle groups of which has previously shown a greater proportion of type one's or two's dependent on which muscle they are looking at (e.g. more type ones in your gastro's than in you pectorals). There have been at least two other studies5,6 that have also shown a loss of taurine into plasma with exercise with the greater loss coming from higher intensity work.

So lets try to fit this information with some applications to what goes on in the real word rather than a clinical setting. Lets take the Body-for-Life programme... we know that we do at least 20 minutes of high intensity aerobic 3 x a week and 3 x resistance work. The result of this intensity of training will no doubt lead to a loss of muscle amino acids including taurine and as Bill Phillips says, "without the spark (exercise) and the fuel (nutrition), there can be no flame (results)". And it is the optimisation of our nutritional programme, which concerns me most regarding intramuscular taurine depletion due to exercise or dietary inadequacies. The use of drinks containing taurine may be one way to combat or even offset taurine loss, which may decrease muscle contractility and consequently performance and training induced physique changes.

[ Nutritional Studies ]


One of the most thorough papers released to date discusses the cytoprotective role taurine feeding can have after exercise induced muscle damage. Let me explain a little; Dawson et al7 studied the effects of 90 minutes of down hill running (known to induce a great deal of muscle damage due to the eccentrics involved) on markers of muscle damage. The study also tried to investigate what impact both elevation and depletion of muscle taurine contents may have on muscle protection/damage. There were three groups involved in the study, one group supplemented with taurine, one with a known inhibitor of taurine uptake, and a placebo group taking water. The results were interesting to say the least... as expected muscle taurine was increased with taurine feeding and depleted with the taurine inhibitor.

The exercise data demonstrated greater markers of muscle damage in the depleted group but an increase in running performance in the taurine group. Although this looks promising no actual measurements of muscle structural change were assessed only indirect biochemical markers of muscle damage.



On a final note there is one study that is not really a feeding study but does demonstrate the effectiveness of taurine on muscle function and force production8. Bakker et al provided data indicating when muscle cells where bathed in taurine versus an innate (a substance with no physiological effect) substitute, a much greater force production in the individual fibres could be measured with the use of taurine. The conclusion to the study suggested that taurine modulated the accumulation of Ca+2 in the sarcoplasmic reticulum (a sac within the muscle where calcium is stored) allowing a greater supply when needed or decreased contents when not during the process of contraction and muscle movement.

This paper gives us some direct evidence of the mechanism as to why if we can change muscles taurine we can improve muscle efficiency, and corroborates to some degree the earlier work we reviewed showing an increased run performance following taurine feeding.

[ Conclusive Proof Just Around The Corner? ]


What of the studies in humans I hear you say? Well it's disappointing for me to say that in all these years of research and scientific advancement no real human data is available regarding muscle performance and the use of taurine supplementation. However there is at least one demonstrating some data to implicate the positive effects of taurine (2g) on cycling time to exhaustion demonstrating an increase compared to placebo9. However the study looked at a combination of supplements including caffeine well known to potentate endurance performance. A further study examining the effects of a 1 gram dose on cognitive function and well being showed that positive benefits occur with relatively low taurine supplementation10.

So what take home message can we use from the data? It's true we do not know what level of supraphysiological supplementation we need to use to effectively enhance performance but we do know for certain is with intense exercise we lose taurine from the muscle in significant quantities. There are a variety of anecdotal report with user's of EAS very own Cytovol, which without knowing the full implications of taurine use, EAS may of come across a great combo supplement that might aid in the replenishment of taurine loss during exercise or inadequate dietary intake. We also know that with ageing there is a loss in muscle taurine11 so the implications for use in an ageing population are probably even more far reaching.

So for now a 2 gram dose has shown some positive effects, which equates to using around 30mg per kg of your bodyweight. Taurine's future in the sports supplement market is unknown but once future research can clear up the unknowns regarding its use in both endurance and resistance exercise, this compound may find a resurgence of popularity to all fitness buffs to whom the discovery that maximizing

[SwoleDave]

Shawn- The liquid clen I have is from AR-R and it is oral...

Can anyone tell me how they supplement Taurine?????

[shawnalso2]

Thanks for the clarification; how is your satisfaction with the clen from AR? Not well educated on the taurine supplementation.

[SwoleDave]

I just got their clen, T-3, Nolva, and Clomid

Everything looks in order, but the Nolva, I think some of the stuff isnt fully disolved, and I have heard of other customers having this problem too.

I would not recomend the Nolva.

[sdholden]

first off, great information for a new member, you guys are terrific. Just would like to clarify some things. First off, swoledave, you listed clen, t3, nolva and clomid. From my understanding, neither clen, nor t3 do anything for testosterone levels, so are nolva and clomid necessary since they'll be trying to compensate for a lack of test thats not really there?....or am I way off totally. Secondly, with clen, will there be a "rebound" period when coming off which will drive metabolic rates down lower than they were before the clen cycle? If so, how can it be avoided? lastly, Yohimbine.........listed as a btw cycle supplement for clen, is this just a run of the mill CNS or what? I've done my share of anabolic muscle-building cycles, but the goal at the moment is strictly fat loss and definition, so keeping that in mind, please reply with any and all answers or comments.

[Syndicate]

Can someone PM me with a place to get clen tabs? Are they illegal to possess?

[mushroomstampr]

bump for spring break prep

[juggalo_storm]

To anyone that knows:
Will Clen show up in a routine drug test? I mean, I heard that it shows up as an amphetimine or something...does anyone know?
Thanks in advance.

[Thegr8One]

bump

[Sunny2005]

thx u helpd me alot

[Monsoon says]

Bump.

[eastvandan]

Great post but I was wondering how many cc's = 1 mcg? thanx

[Incredible_bulk]

I have a couple questions.I started off today with clen @ 40mcg in one does of liquid. I took it at 7:00pm. Do I have to take it at the same time tomorrow ? Or can I take it say around 2:00pm ?

IB

[pitbull4]

sust500mg a week
eq200mg eod
clen/t3 liquid? how much a day? please help

[noodles*5.0]

this is going to be my first time trying clen...it is going to be mixed with nothing....what is the possibility everyone thinks that i will get shakes or feel uncomfortable....a little nervous to be honest

[flexgolf]

Excellent post!

My question: are there any reccomended PCT's for a clen only cycle? Thanks for your time.

[raytnorman]

Very helpfull, but i also want to add T3 how would the change the first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

[magic32]

Very helpfull, but i also want to add T3 how would the change the first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

You won't get much out of two weeks of T3 with one of them spent ramping up/down or off the T3. The duration should be greatly increased for real benefits...see Hooker's Cytomel T3 Profile under "Steroid Profiles Forum".

[Taurus]

there is a post by hooker that says the 2 week on 2 week off system doesnt work. he says u can take clen for 6 weeks straight with benedryl in the 3rd week. i cant find that post. does anyone have the link?

[Habs-havoc]

thanks for all the info guys, any advice on clen in a pill form? I'm clean right now fresh off a cycle and want to shred, I know not to drink and to stay in my regiment but am worried as always about the effects. Do I have to take potassium? Thanks-Habs.

[hardcorehulk]

Great info!

[big an rich]

Bumparoony

[AMERBOY]

how safe is this sounds a lot more dangerous than steroids

[Hulk a Maniac]

this thread is awosme ..taught me a ot about clun but one question somone had above is the same question i have as well, what is the most effecvtive way to take the clem pills, how should it be spaced throughout the day, i mean when im up to 7 pills ...i mean when i work up to 7 pills a day, should i take them all at once???? spread em out ..i need help on this one quick, im starting my cycle wed. id rally apreciate the help ....

Sal

[magic32]

this thread is awosme ..taught me a ot about clun but one question somone had above is the same question i have as well, what is the most effecvtive way to take the clem pills, how should it be spaced throughout the day, i mean when im up to 7 pills ...i mean when i work up to 7 pills a day, should i take them all at once???? spread em out ..i need help on this one quick, im starting my cycle wed. id rally apreciate the help ....

Sal

Administration varies depending on individual tolerance, most take two doses one early and the second about 4 or 4.5 hours later. Some people go with three (7a, 11a, 3p), what's important is to remember not to take doses too late in the evening or it will disrupt sleep. Again that depends on the individual and when you hit the sack, but most end consumption between 3 & 4pm...READ THE "CLEN" PROFILE, IN THE STEROIDS PROFILE FORUM.
Enjoy.

[Hulk a Maniac]

Administration varies depending on individual tolerance, most take two doses one early and the second about 4 or 4.5 hours later. Some people go with three (7a, 11a, 3p), what's important is to remember not to take doses too late in the evening or it will disrupt sleep. Again that depends on the individual and when you hit the sack, but most end consumption between 3 & 4pm...READ THE "CLEN" PROFILE, IN THE STEROIDS PROFILE FORUM.
Enjoy.

thank you

[Hulk a Maniac]

another question i have is ...after taking 2 weeks off, from clem, and then getting back on ...how many pills should i start back off with ...shud i continue with where i left off ..about 7 pills ..or should i go back to 1 and work my way back up ..

[Papi93]

another question i have is ...after taking 2 weeks off, from clem, and then getting back on ...how many pills should i start back off with ...shud i continue with where i left off ..about 7 pills ..or should i go back to 1 and work my way back up ..

I would stay with the dose that you were at, unless it causes undesirable sides.

[bigmike9191]

good post! very usefull i just started my clen

[mhb3939]

GREAT POST.....
Excellent info...

[luvsports]

Spiropent is currently going for about $7.50/box, Novegam for $5.25/box, and Oxyflux for about $3.30/box.

these names came from the clen handbook: what are these drugs...is this the same as clen? what is clen called when they sell it in mexico...is ketotifen the same as benadryl....i read somewhere you can take benedryl to sleep at nite and to be able to take clen longer? anyone know. also how much wieght do you lose approx per week on clen? where are the people's post who have experienced taking clen.

[SVTMuscle*]

damn, answered all my questions about clen, thanks man