Austinite's Fat Loss Protocol using Over the Counter Products.

[GEEZII]

thanks for that! ill ask them. i'm looking forward to trying this out to drop the bf more.
all your threads are very knowledgeable

[Walnutz]

Would you say the synephrine acts on the same receptors as ephedrine?
whats the exact difference of it vs Eph?
I know it is less "speedy/buzz" then ephedrine.
Thought I would ask.
Thank you for the thread!

[austinite]

Would you say the synephrine acts on the same receptors as ephedrine?
whats the exact difference of it vs Eph?
I know it is less "speedy/buzz" then ephedrine.
Thought I would ask.
Thank you for the thread!

Yes they both act on alpha and Beta-adrenergic receptors. However, they do act differently. I can write a book about how they function exactly, but I don't feel like it, lol. But in short...

- Ephedrine is a direct beta agonist, and Synephrine is a direct alpha.
- Ephedrine lightly activates Alpha, and Synephrine lightly activates Beta.

Now of course Beta's are the crucial ones which is why Ephedrine is more potent. But I believe that 20mg of Synephrine as I experimented, is a safe and very effective dose to yield results with Betas. Mainly B3.

Also noteworthy...

- Ephedrine will yield a higher resting metabolic rate.
- Heart rate elevates higher with Ephedrine.
- Body core temperature increase difference is negligible.
- Blood pressure increase difference is negligible.

Hope that helps.

[Walnutz]

Yes they both act on alpha and Beta-adrenergic receptors. However, they do act differently. I can write a book about how they function exactly, but I don't feel like it, lol. But in short...

- Ephedrine is a direct beta agonist, and Synephrine is a direct alpha.
- Ephedrine lightly activates Alpha, and Synephrine lightly activates Beta.

Now of course Beta's are the crucial ones which is why Ephedrine is more potent. But I believe that 20mg of Synephrine as I experimented, is a safe and very effective dose to yield results with Betas. Mainly B3.

Also noteworthy...

- Ephedrine will yield a higher resting metabolic rate.
- Heart rate elevates higher with Ephedrine.
- Body core temperature increase difference is negligible.
- Blood pressure increase difference is negligible.

Hope that helps.

Yes is does, thanks a lot!

[Brazensol]

Yes they both act on alpha and Beta-adrenergic receptors. However, they do act differently. I can write a book about how they function exactly, but I don't feel like it, lol. But in short...

- Ephedrine is a direct beta agonist, and Synephrine is a direct alpha.
- Ephedrine lightly activates Alpha, and Synephrine lightly activates Beta.

Now of course Beta's are the crucial ones which is why Ephedrine is more potent. But I believe that 20mg of Synephrine as I experimented, is a safe and very effective dose to yield results with Betas. Mainly B3.

Also noteworthy...

- Ephedrine will yield a higher resting metabolic rate.
- Heart rate elevates higher with Ephedrine.
- Body core temperature increase difference is negligible.
- Blood pressure increase difference is negligible.

Hope that helps.

That's good to hear because I've taken products with ephedrine and did not like the way they made my heart race.

[Myers]

How would u compare this stack to an ECA stack? Which one could give u better progress ? In the same conditions ofc.

[austinite]

How would u compare this stack to an ECA stack? Which one could give u better progress ? In the same conditions ofc.

No idea. You know... these comparisons are just incredibly too broad. Body response will be so individualistic. I never ran ECA at maintenence, only in an extreme caloric deficit. So I don't have the primary (diet) to help me compare.

That said... I think the effects Chromium will produce, coupled with Syn and EGCG, will actually do better in a caloric deficit.

[AD]

Aus bro. Not sure if this has been asked before. Do you have an idea which of the 3 "ingredients" causes the most and which cause the least fat loss? Would you be conducting further studies with each of them individually?

[austinite]

Aus bro. Not sure if this has been asked before. Do you have an idea which of the 3 "ingredients" causes the most and which cause the least fat loss? Would you be conducting further studies with each of them individually?

It's hard to say because they all work in separate areas, some directly and other indirectly. But If I had to, I'd rank them in the following order:

1. Synephrine
2. Chromium
3. EGCG

I've studied them quite a bit, but as with anything else I take, I'm always looking for more evidence and even anything that might counter what I've seen. All in all, my experience is what approves or rejects a product. But I can tell you a considerable amount of detail about all of these compounds. It gets pretty technical and I wanted the original post to be in laymans.

[Gaspaco]

Hey aust!

My GF wants to do the protocol with me! Same dosage?

[austinite]

Hey aust!

My GF wants to do the protocol with me! Same dosage?

Yes, keep her at 10mg with Syn. Everything else is the same.

[Gaspaco]

Yes, keep her at 10mg with Syn. Everything else is the same.

Thanks bro

[AD]

I've been cutting natty for 2 months now. Would be good to throw this stack in the mix. Will start looking for them in my local drugstore but i fear they will come in much lower doses like my D3. Might try a half-strength stack. Post my results next month

[austinite]

I've been cutting natty for 2 months now. Would be good to throw this stack in the mix. Will start looking for them in my local drugstore but i fear they will come in much lower doses like my D3. Might try a half-strength stack. Post my results next month

Absolutely. Even at half strength I believe it will help you reach your goals faster. Keep me posted please.

[SexySweetheart]

great thread austinite! I subscribed/Favorited it
~curious whats your average cost monthly to run all this?

[austinite]

great thread austinite! I subscribed/Favorited it
~curious whats your average cost monthly to run all this?

Thank you.

Cost is about $25 if you shop online.

[AD]

i found green tea extract but it doesn't say how much ECGC, just say equiv to 1500mg dry leaf extract. according to the wiki page on green tea extract, dry extract has more than 25% of catechin. so can i assume the ecge content is 25% x 1500mg = 375mg?

[basketballfan22]

i found green tea extract but it doesn't say how much ECGC, just say equiv to 1500mg dry leaf extract. according to the wiki page on green tea extract, dry extract has more than 25% of catechin. so can i assume the ecge content is 25% x 1500mg = 375mg?

Really? That's weird. Can you post a link?

[austinite]

i found green tea extract but it doesn't say how much ECGC, just say equiv to 1500mg dry leaf extract. according to the wiki page on green tea extract, dry extract has more than 25% of catechin. so can i assume the ecge content is 25% x 1500mg = 375mg?

No. Follow me here... (Ill add this to the OP, great question AD)

Catechin breaks down to 6 compounds. EGCG, EGC, ECG, EC, GC and C.

EGCG accounts for 50% of the group.

So, your math is a good start... we have 375mg of Catechin. Divide that by 2 and you'll get the EGCG content, so your supplement has 187.5mg of EGCG.

[AD]

Really? That's weird. Can you post a link?

here:
Green tea extract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No. Follow me here... (Ill add this to the OP, great question AD)

Catechin breaks down to 6 compounds. EGCG, EGC, ECG, EC, GC and C.

EGCG accounts for 50% of the group.

So, your math is a good start... we have 375mg of Catechin. Divide that by 2 and you'll get the EGCG content, so your supplement has 187.5mg of EGCG.

damn. thats pretty low.

[basketballfan22]

here:
Green tea extract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

damn. thats pretty low.

I was curious about the particular product you found AD, not green tea extract in general. The green tea extract products that I found all have the EGCG content listed, so that's why I asked for a link.

[austinite]

I was curious about the particular product you found AD, not green tea extract in general. The green tea extract products that I found all have the EGCG content listed, so that's why I asked for a link.

He can only buy local where he is. He wont have a link.

[Brazensol]

Amazon. Amazon. Amazon. Oh yeah, dot com!

[AD]

Amazon. Amazon. Amazon. Oh yeah, dot com!

I'm not from the US, and i hate paying for shipping for things i can get from the store.

[Brazensol]

Are you from the UK or EU? I think Amazon has a similiar setup if you are. Not sure about the shipping though...

[FRDave]

So it's best to take this stack all in one dose around lunch/pre workout? Or should I break it up in 2-3 daily doses (breakfast/lunch/pre-workout)?

I am all about optimal dosage/timing, not convenience...

Thanks in advance,
Dave

[austinite]

So it's best to take this stack all in one dose around lunch/pre workout? Or should I break it up in 2-3 daily doses (breakfast/lunch/pre-workout)?

I am all about optimal dosage/timing, not convenience...

Thanks in advance,
Dave

The most important thing to take pre workout is Synephrine. everything else doesn't matter. Take them whenever.

[phaedo]

How inclined is one to overdose with Chromium? My supplement is dosed to 500 mcg, so I figured of taking 1000 mcg per day.

Did you notice, either in self-experimentation or research, any risks and side effects associated with Chromium overdose?

[austinite]

How inclined is one to overdose with Chromium? My supplement is dosed to 500 mcg, so I figured of taking 1000 mcg per day.

Did you notice, either in self-experimentation or research, any risks and side effects associated with Chromium overdose?

That's too much. Find one at the right dose or use less. You can potentially cause liver damage, stomach discomfort, vomiting, etc...

[Pittsburgh412]

That's too much. Find one at the right dose or use less. You can potentially cause liver damage, stomach discomfort, vomiting, etc...

I think 800mcg might be causing stomach discomfort to me personally , unless the 4 green tea pills (125mg ECGC each) are the culprit

[AnabolicDoc]

How come you didn't include DNP? :-) Really great post/thread! Earlier today I took some chromium, egcg and synephrine and you're completely right . . . I look nothing like kelkel. Maybe it takes a day or two, so fingers crossed for tomorrow. I'll keep you posted.

[austinite]

How come you didn't include DNP? :-) Really great post/thread! Earlier today I took some chromium, egcg and synephrine and you're completely right . . . I look nothing like kelkel. Maybe it takes a day or two, so fingers crossed for tomorrow. I'll keep you posted.

lmao. Love it when you come around Adoc! Thanks brother, looking forward to hearing from you.

[InTransit]

Why not just run ECA stack?
I've ran ECA and SCA (and all the other stacks, CEC, DNC, NYC etc) stack and ECA stack works better than syn for me for fat loss. Tons of studies as well, it works, and works well.

[austinite]

Why not just run ECA stack?
I've ran ECA and SCA (and all the other stacks, CEC, DNC, NYC etc) stack and ECA stack works better than syn for me for fat loss. Tons of studies as well, it works, and works well.

Reasons are listed in the thread. This is more than just Synephrine, it's a stack. Also the effectiveness of Ephedrine has been stated in the thread. Caffeine does nothing for most people.

[FRDave]

Why not just run ECA stack?
I've ran ECA and SCA (and all the other stacks, CEC, DNC, NYC etc) stack and ECA stack works better than syn for me for fat loss. Tons of studies as well, it works, and works well.

I am going to try this route since I can't find pure ephedrine hcl for the life of me :-( All the Canadian sources I found wont ship to the USA and the few that do wont ship to Ca.

[AnabolicDoc]

You can buy it in pharmacies, combined with guaifenesin. It's called bronkaid and primatene, although I think bronkaid is on backorder. Guaifenesin is pretty much harmless and just thins your bronchial/lung secretions. It is the active ingredient in original Robitussin.

[InTransit]

Yep.

I think I'll try the EGCG and Chrom with Ephedrine since ECA works WAY better on me than Syn

[bringndaheat]

Great thread Austin but I've come to expect nothing less. Thanks for putting in the work. Quick question I'm sure you've run Clen/T3 could u compare? I hate Clen so would like ur thoughts? Is this stack as harsh?

-Heat

[austinite]

Great thread Austin but I've come to expect nothing less. Thanks for putting in the work. Quick question I'm sure you've run Clen/T3 could u compare? I hate Clen so would like ur thoughts? Is this stack as harsh?

-Heat

I think clen is poison. So I'll end my review there, don't have much info on it as I can only handle 40mcg nd that put me out for 2 days.

T3 is great but again, not comparable at all. T3 should be used with testosterone to stave off muscle waste. I can't really compare them. This is all OTC products.

[Brazensol]

Got all my stuff and started 'Operation Fat Burn' today! Took 1 scoop of synephrine, 800mcg of chromium and 600mg of EGCG on an empty stomach (EGCG recommended not to take on empty stomach). I felt no discomfort and never felt jittery. Did my morning fasted cardio (15 mile bike ride) and everything felt "normal". Will continue with one micro scoop of synephrine for 2 more days and don't expect any issues when adding another scoop.

Today I weighed 189.8 pounds @ 20.3% bf.