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[norburt]

during reload i plan on taking t400 400mgs a week. if i follow the slingshot training program 8 weeks reload 2 weeks deload do i drop my t400 to 200mgs a week during deload? than start pct 14 days later?
ive been told to take test for 10 weeks 12 weeks ect. you mention on here that the best time for gains is between weeks 3-8 or 5-8 depending on the person. can i do 1-8 week 400mgs, last 2 weeks 200?

thanks for all the responses really appreciate it btw

[onelovekaylee]

no apologies ronnie you do everyone a great solid even taking the time man...hope evrything goes well...bronchitis strep and the flu... shit man

[Ronnie Rowland]

during reload i plan on taking t400 400mgs a week. if i follow the slingshot training program 8 weeks reload 2 weeks deload do i drop my t400 to 200mgs a week during deload? yes drop to 200 for 2 week deload but do not PCT until 20 weeks (2-8 week reloads/2-2 week deloads) than start pct 14 days later?
ive been told to take test for 10 weeks 12 weeks ect. you mention on here that the best time for gains is between weeks 3-8 or 5-8 depending on the person. can i do 1-8 week 400mgs, last 2 weeks 200? yes but do 20 weeks total not 10 and increase dosage of test during second reload.
thanks for all the responses really appreciate it btw

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[Life-is-short]

Amazing amount of great info! Thanx Ronnie

[lynxeffect1]

Hi ron , im currently on a cycle of sust, tren, anadrol,arimidex 1mg eod. im inda middle of my 5th week of 8 wk coarse, taking a shot of sust and tren eod, 1 anadrol. i was 210 pounds and gained 12pounds inda first 2 weeks but den dropped the anadrol due to stomach cramps, i gained a further 6 to 8 pounds wk 3 to stand at 228-30. the thing is ive gained only water weight , and no further gains with the past few wks, my strengths gone up a bit but ive measured myself everywhere and ive not grown anywhere or gained any muscle, i fear il end my cycle with jus water weight and den when i loose that il be back to 210 again. this is wot happened me my last cycle also, of test tren that time, i was told it was my receptors needed a break even tho i always gave time on/time off, so took an 3 and a half months off before starting this cycle but it seems as tho its goin the same way. i also seem to be getn diff results from diff brands , ie last cycle on tren i got great strength gains but no muscle built as i said, this time using a differant brand ive gotten only small increase in strength. my protein intake is 400g per day, total cals 4000-4500. i was 190 pounds when i started my first cycle so im only 20 pounds above that and got gud gains the first 2 times when i was on a crap diet with low protein and hardly any gear, now that im on a gud diet and a lot more gear im building no muscle, i thought i shud packing it on at my stage? please help ron!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron , im currently on a cycle of sust, tren, anadrol,arimidex 1mg eod. Im inda middle of my 5th week of 8 wk coarse, taking a shot of sust and tren eod, 1 anadrol. I was 210 pounds and gained 12pounds inda first 2 weeks but den dropped the anadrol due to stomach cramps, i gained a further 6 to 8 pounds wk 3 to stand at 228-30. The thing is ive gained only water weight , and no further gains with the past few wks, my strengths gone up a bit but ive measured myself everywhere and ive not grown anywhere or gained any muscle, i fear il end my cycle with jus water weight and den when i loose that il be back to 210 again. This is wot happened me my last cycle also, of test tren that time, i was told it was my receptors needed a break even tho i always gave time on/time off, so took an 3 and a half months off before starting this cycle but it seems as tho its goin the same way. I also seem to be getn diff results from diff brands , ie last cycle on tren i got great strength gains but no muscle built as i said, this time using a differant brand ive gotten only small increase in strength. My protein intake is 400g per day, total cals 4000-4500. I was 190 pounds when i started my first cycle so im only 20 pounds above that and got gud gains the first 2 times when i was on a crap diet with low protein and hardly any gear, now that im on a gud diet and a lot more gear im building no muscle, i thought i shud packing it on at my stage? Please help ron!!!

you'll make your best gains on your first cycle. After that you'll make very slow gains unless a ton of gear is used because the body adapts quick which has less to do with receptor site burnout and more about going past your natural potential and keeping myostastin levels in check. It's best to stay with same brand of gear because some gear is watered down. What does your training look like? About 8 sets per week for each major body part is idea for making gains, even while using steroids! Most people read too many muscle magazines and over-train! Once you reach a certain threshold with protein you need more carbs and even some fats to make muscle gains! Some people require taking larger dosages of steroids to make gains and some do much better adding an oral into the mix. You should have cut the anadrol dosage in half to see if you could tolerate it then. D-bol may be a better option for you. Time on equals time off is the wrong thing to do imo as you gain then lose just about everything (yo-yo effect)!

[delta1111]

Ronnie, Why is it that I seem to respond very much better to orals like Dianobol and Anadrol, than I do injectables like Test, Tren, Deca and so on? I'm currently on a reload of Test, Tren and Mast blend and I start to take Dianabol 2 weeks before my deload so that I can use it as a bridge into my next reload. This will be 4 weeks on dianabol in total. Also what dosage would you recommend with the Dianabol during this time? I'm currently taking 90mg per day split into 3 doses and i'm not suffering any negative sides. How long could I use Dianabol for? What do you think of Dianabol v Anadrol? Which is better? Would coming off 1 to go onto the other be beneficial? Does there need to be a break in between and if so how long? Could they be taken together and at what dosage? In an earlier post I asked you about Cortisone injections and whether or not you recommend them. If I decide to go for it, how long would it normally take before I am recovered enough to train fully again? Is it like "pip" from a prop injection for eg?
Many thanks Ronnie.

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, why is it that i seem to respond very much better to orals like dianobol and anadrol, than i do injectables like test, tren, deca and so on? i think orals are stronger than injectables because they pass through the liver twice but they are also harder on the liver. The few times i tried the orals (which do not agree with me very well by the way) i made my best gains ever when combined with test (especially strength gains). I've seen siome make their best gains by combining d-bol/drol while others did better running only one compound at a time with test. When it comes to any medications everyone responds a bit diffferently. I'm currently on a reload of test, tren and mast blend and i start to take dianabol 2 weeks before my deload so that i can use it as a bridge into my next reload. i would use the d-bol for next reload not deload.this will be 4 weeks on dianabol in total. Also what dosage would you recommend with the dianabol during this time? I'm currently taking 90mg per day split into 3 doses and i'm not suffering any negative sides. How long could i use dianabol for? 8 weeks during reload only what do you think of dianabol v anadrol? Which is better? impossible to answer with 100 percent accuracy but anadrol is best for the majority if it does not kill their appetite because anadrol is the strongest. However, some tend to prefer d-bol. Would coming off 1 to go onto the other be beneficial? yes does there need to be a break in between and if so how long? d-bol for first 8 week reload, anadrol during 2nd 8 week reload then usually take a break from orals during next reload. Could they be taken together and at what dosage? yes, cut dosage in half of what you would normally use when running one compound alone. In an earlier post i asked you about cortisone injections and whether or not you recommend them. If i decide to go for it, how long would it normally take before i am recovered enough to train fully again? no lifting for 6 weeks post cotisone shot or you risk tendon rupture! is it like "pip" from a prop injection for eg? worse, i would not do it!many thanks ronnie.

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[delta1111]

ronnie, why is it that i seem to respond very much better to orals like dianobol and anadrol, than i do injectables like test, tren, deca and so on? i think orals are stronger than injectables because they pass through the liver twice but they are also harder on the liver. The few times i tried the orals (which do not agree with me very well by the way) i made my best gains ever when combined with test (especially strength gains). I've seen siome make their best gains by combining d-bol/drol while others did better running only one compound at a time with test. When it comes to any medications everyone responds a bit diffferently. I'm currently on a reload of test, tren and mast blend and i start to take dianabol 2 weeks before my deload so that i can use it as a bridge into my next reload. i would use the d-bol for next reload not deload.this will be 4 weeks on dianabol in total. Also what dosage would you recommend with the dianabol during this time? I'm currently taking 90mg per day split into 3 doses and i'm not suffering any negative sides. How long could i use dianabol for? 8 weeks during reload only what do you think of dianabol v anadrol? Which is better? impossible to answer with 100 percent accuracy but anadrol is best for the majority if it does not kill their appetite because anadrol is the strongest. However, some tend to prefer d-bol. Would coming off 1 to go onto the other be beneficial? yes does there need to be a break in between and if so how long? d-bol for first 8 week reload, anadrol during 2nd 8 week reload then usually take a break from orals during next reload. Could they be taken together and at what dosage? yes, cut dosage in half of what you would normally use when running one compound alone. In an earlier post i asked you about cortisone injections and whether or not you recommend them. If i decide to go for it, how long would it normally take before i am recovered enough to train fully again? no lifting for 6 weeks post cotisone shot or you risk tendon rupture! is it like "pip" from a prop injection for eg? worse, i would not do it!many thanks ronnie.

So is it ok to be on Dbol for 8 weeks, then 2 weeks off then back on Anadrol for 8 weeks? If so what's the dosage I should be using for each compound? just the oral I mean. As I mentioned before i'm currently taking 90mg per day split into 3 doses and i'm not suffering any negative sides.
I took your advise by the way and i've cancelled my doctors appointment for the cortisone shots. I'll try the DMSO instead. I have found a seller on E-bay tha sells it, here are the links for it http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DMSO-Gel-4oz-E...67420832007198 and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DMSO-LIQUID-16...item27b899261a Could you please check them out for me Ronnie and let me know if this is what I need and which one is best to use for Tennis elbow? Also how and when do I apply it?

[ridedivefx]

Hi Ronnie,

I have just started the 2 week prime and then will start my cycle of 20 weeks (2xreload/deload) after that. I want to use Test E but also want to kick start with prop, would this be ok?

Week 1-4 Test Prop 100mg/EOD
Week 1-8 TestE 500mg/E3d
Week 9-10 Test E 250mg/E3d
Week 11-18 TestE 750mg/E3d
Week 19-20 TestE 250mg/E3d <- Would this be 500mg for 2nd deload?

Week 1-20 HCG 250iu/E4d
Week 1-20 Proviron 50mg/ED <- should I add this to 2nd reload/deload ONLY?

Week 23-26 nolva/Clomid PCT only at 50mg and 20mg respectively

10 weeks off after that which includes the PCT and then another 20 weeker

Any comments or tweaks would be very helpful

Yet another thanks for the great info!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,

i have just started the 2 week prime and then will start my cycle of 20 weeks (2xreload/deload) after that. I want to use test e but also want to kick start with prop, would this be ok? you do not need to do a 2 week prime!

week 1-4 test prop 100mg/eod
week 1-8 teste 500mg/e3d
week 9-10 test e 250mg/e3d
week 11-18 teste 750mg/e3d
week 19-20 teste 250mg/e3d <- would this be 500mg for 2nd deload? i would go at least 1 gram per week for second reload since your dosages for first reload are showing higher than your second. Jump starting with prop is fine but if it were me i'd use prop and enan throughout each 8 week reload. week 1-20 hcg 250iu/e4d
week 1-20 proviron 50mg/ed <- should i add this to 2nd reload/deload only? use proviron all 20 weeks!week 23-26 nolva/clomid pct only at 50mg and 20mg respectively

10 weeks off after that which includes the pct and then another 20 weeker save pct for after 20 week cycle if desired.any comments or tweaks would be very helpful

yet another thanks for the great info!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

so is it ok to be on dbol for 8 weeks, then 2 weeks off then back on anadrol for 8 weeks? Yes..if so what's the dosage i should be using for each compound? 25-50 for d-bol and 50-100 for anadrol. just the oral i mean. As i mentioned before i'm currently taking 90mg per day split into 3 doses and i'm not suffering any negative sides.
I took your advise by the way and i've cancelled my doctors appointment for the cortisone shots. I'll try the dmso instead. I have found a seller on e-bay tha sells it, here are the links for it http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/dmso-gel-4oz-e...67420832007198 and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/dmso-liquid-16...item27b899261a could you please check them out for me ronnie and let me know if this is what i need and which one is best to use for tennis elbow? Also how and when do i apply it? the dmso i talk of is stronger. It's made under ground by vets and is used for horses not humans. Its a lot more expensive than what you are showing.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey hows it going? I was thinking of jumping on my first cycle and was wondering if you could lend some of your expert advice :P

I was originally going to jump on a 12 week straight cycle but after reading your post you've convinced me to deload after the 8th week. I wanted to know if you think it would be a good idea to just go on for 8 weeks, deload, and then when i start back again just stay on prop but increase the dosages to about 1-1.5 mil every second day for 4 weeks? (I dont want to be on a cycle for 20 weeks so maybe jumping on for 4 weeks after deloading is enough?) Not enough time! Your best to do 8 weeks and go with enanthate or sustanon as prop is too painful.For my cycle i wanted to take Test E or Sus250 (which one would you recommended?), Prop and maybe Deca. test-e and sustanon combined is good. Go with a little deca to help keep collagen formation down which can happen when running test only in moderate to large amounts. Your tendons will be happy you did. Half an ml per week is usualy enough.
I was going to start of with Test E/Sus250 with 2 mils a week (Monday and Thursdays) and to kickstart it i wanted to take a bit of Prop in between somewhere in the first couple of weeks...You need to inject sustanon 3 times per week and do enanthate 2-3 times. You could always add prop in the mix at 1/2 ml 3 times per week and shoot deca once a week alone.Ive read so many conflicting articles that i wanted to see what you would advise me to do considering the steroids i can get (Deca, Sus/Test E, and Prop).

Im not too sure as to how much deca i should take though every week? 1/2 ml per week to prevent sexual dysfunction yet help tendons
Would something like this be good?
Week 1-2 - Prop? Sus250/Test E (2 mils a week, ie. aprox 500mg)
2-8 - Sus250/Test E (1 mil x 2 - Monday and Thursday, ie. aprox 500mg all up)
8-10 - Deload - .5 mil (Mondays and Thursday)
10-14 - Prop - 1-1.5 mil every second day
14-? PCT? 20 weeks not 14!I know its a bit all over the place but i was hoping you could help me fill the gaps and just give me some advice on what you think would work best... I dont want to get too big but also want to get leaner towards the end of my cycle


Edit: im currently 23 years old, been training for about 5 years now on and off, and i weigh about 75kg (have no clue how tall i am but i think im about 175cm

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[dav1dg90]

hey ronnie quick question i have enough gear for a 16 wk cycle and extra just wondering would i be smarter to use ur slingshot then to just use 16on 16off but i might stop after the 16 wks for a month or so for my natty test and if i plan on using this im obviously gonna get more gear and keep it going but can you work it with what i got it would look like this
(reload)
wks1-8 test c 500mg
wks1-8 eq 400mg
wks1-5 adrol 75mg
(deload)
wks9-10 test c 375 mg
wks9-10 eq 200 mg
(reload)
wks11-16 test c 750mg
wks11-16 eq 500mg
wks11-16 anavar 80mg
(pct)

[The Titan99]

Got it. Thanks Ron. One question though. How long does it take to start feeling breathing problems with the Tren? Mine is Tren Hex and it's only been a couple of days, but I don't really have too much of a problem with 35 minutes of moderate cardio. I bought the tren from a good friend and hope it's good but since Thailand is almost impossible to get tren locally, I gave it a try. As a side note I have some coming from out of the country that's said to be 100% legit. Just wondering how long it takes for the breathing problems to start...?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Got it. Thanks Ron. One question though. How long does it take to start feeling breathing problems with the Tren? Mine is Tren Hex and it's only been a couple of days, but I don't really have too much of a problem with 35 minutes of moderate cardio. I bought the tren from a good friend and hope it's good but since Thailand is almost impossible to get tren locally, I gave it a try. As a side note I have some coming from out of the country that's said to be 100% legit. Just wondering how long it takes for the breathing problems to start...?

Sorry, I missed this question. Serious breathing problems from tren usually become manifested after about 2 weeks but some breathing problems can occur in as little as two days..

[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
I use Regaine (minoxidol) to prevent hair loss, which works well for me, but i'm now starting to develop a scalp reaction from it. Because of this I need to find an alternative. Here in the UK I can get Finnestride/Propecia on private prescription and was wondering what you thought of this product. With it being a DHT blocker, will it in any way hinder gains from AAS? Also, because I responded well to the Minoxidol, should that mean I will respond well to Finnestride?
Many thanks Ron.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie,
I use Regaine (minoxidol) to prevent hair loss, which works well for me, but i'm now starting to develop a scalp reaction from it. Because of this I need to find an alternative. Here in the UK I can get Finnestride/Propecia on private prescription and was wondering what you thought of this product. With it being a DHT blocker, will it in any way hinder gains from AAS? It's probably going to destroy your sex drive! Also, because I responded well to the Minoxidol, should that mean I will respond well to Finnestride?
Many thanks Ron.

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[The Titan99]

Sorry, I missed this question. Serious breathing problems from tren usually become manifested after about 2 weeks but some breathing problems can occur in as little as two days..

Thanks Man, I'm still doing OK breathing-wise, but noticing a slight difference just lately. I wonder if it's Tren Hex ester making it milder. I guess the best indicators is my lifts are increasing at a scary rate (added 30 lbs + reps to squats in the last 2 weeks of my new reload!!) to the point of me starting to go into a higher rep range rather than keep stacking on the weight for fear of injury. Also, I've done up to 1500 mg of Test with up to 800 mg of Deca and NEVER experienced anything like the short fuse I have with this. Of course I never allow this to get out of line, but I actually had to leave the DMV I was getting so angry. If you think the DMV in the states is irritating, you ought to try Thailand!! I am convinced my gear is top-notch, but Tren is definitely a whole different animal, at least for me...

[lew]

Ronnie

What is your advice for pct? I'm sure I've read you just use hcg?

Currently in pct and had horrible sides with clomid. Carrying on with 20 mg tamoxifen only- clomid is horrible shit. During my cycle I ran 250 iu x2 week and also 500iu e3d up to pct which was around 18 days. My cycle was 12 weeks 400mg test

By the way u are right after 8 weeks my gains stopped! Should have followed your protocol but first cycle somlearn by my mistakes!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Thanks Man, I'm still doing OK breathing-wise, but noticing a slight difference just lately. I wonder if it's Tren Hex ester making it milder. Tren ace can certainly be worse on one's breathing than tren hex IMO but it sounds like you are going to do fine breathing wise. I guess the best indicators is my lifts are increasing at a scary rate (added 30 lbs + reps to squats in the last 2 weeks of my new reload!!) to the point of me starting to go into a higher rep range rather than keep stacking on the weight for fear of injury. Also, I've done up to 1500 mg of Test with up to 800 mg of Deca and NEVER experienced anything like the short fuse I have with this. Of course I never allow this to get out of line, but I actually had to leave the DMV I was getting so angry. If you think the DMV in the states is irritating, you ought to try Thailand!! I am convinced my gear is top-notch, but Tren is definitely a whole different animal, at least for me...

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie quick question i have enough gear for a 16 wk cycle and extra just wondering would i be smarter to use ur slingshot then to just use 16on 16off but i might stop after the 16 wks for a month or so for my natty test and if i plan on using this im obviously gonna get more gear and keep it going but can you work it with what i got it would look like this
(reload)
wks1-8 test c 500mg
wks1-8 eq 400mg
wks1-5 adrol 75mg
(deload)
wks9-10 test c 375 mg
wks9-10 eq 200 mg
(reload)
wks11-16 test c 750mg
wks11-16 eq 500mg
wks11-16 anavar 80mgv (weeks 18-20 run test at 200 mgs per week to taper down then pct). Everything else look pretty good but i would rUn the drol for 8 week not just five(pct)

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[Steve.O]

hey ronnie. apart from my legs which i know need to be bigger, but will come in time im pretty happy with the muscle developement i have made so far.
there is one problem i have which realy bothers me and has for quite some time. i recognised it about a year and half ago and have been tryin to correct it since then. the problem is the difference in the size of both my arms not only the size but the look of them. my right arms which is my best arm is .75 inch bigger then my left. which by reading what i said doesnt sound like a massive deal. but it aint just that it looks so much more impressive compared to the left its like my left is very poorly developed. also ther is alot of strenght difference in the two especially the triceps. my right is stronger on every bicep and tricep excercise and can perform much bettwr form with little effort compared to left. if i wer to pin point my main problem it would be that my left tricep realy needs developement and the left arm wouldnt look so bad if that were to happen. after i workout any particular muscle i know ive worked it out i feel satisfied in how it feels and the feelin of my pump. also the next day it feels sore and i know ive hit it good. but i never have this feelin with my left tricep its like my body doesnt know how to operate this muscle properely how can i master the technique. yes my coordination with my left hand is poor compared to my right. i believe before weight training i realy never used my left tricep. its realy doing my head in this problem i have and knocks my cofidence a bit. please if u can advise anything then please do so. thnks for any input any1 offers cheers steve.o

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Steve.O;5524384]hey ronnie. apart from my legs which i know need to be bigger, but will come in time im pretty happy with the muscle developement i have made so far.
there is one problem i have which realy bothers me and has for quite some time. i recognised it about a year and half ago and have been tryin to correct it since then. the problem is the difference in the size of both my arms not only the size but the look of them. my right arms which is my best arm is .75 inch bigger then my left. which by reading what i said doesnt sound like a massive deal. but it aint just that it looks so much more impressive compared to the left its like my left is very poorly developed. also ther is alot of strenght difference in the two especially the triceps. my right is stronger on every bicep and tricep excercise and can perform much bettwr form with little effort compared to left. if i wer to pin point my main problem it would be that my left tricep realy needs developement and the left arm wouldnt look so bad if that were to happen. after i workout any particular muscle i know ive worked it out i feel satisfied in how it feels and the feelin of my pump. also the next day it feels sore and i know ive hit it good. but i never have this feelin with my left tricep its like my body doesnt know how to operate this muscle properely how can i master the technique. yes my coordination with my left hand is poor compared to my right. i believe before weight training i realy never used my left tricep. its realy doing my head in this problem i have and knocks my cofidence a bit. please if u can advise anything then please do so. thnks for any input any1 offers cheers steve.o My recommendation is to do only two exercises for your triceps at 4 sets a piece once weekly and go to absolute failure using great form as heavy as you can work in the 8-12 rep-range. Start with uni-lateral overhead cable extensions. Lean forward at almost parallel to the ground and do one arm at time a time for 4 sets. Next do one arm cable pushdowns for 4 sets. I do not think adding a couple of more work sets to the weaker arm will accomplish much. I think the best you can do is use uni-lateral exercises because your right tricep may be taking over more of the movement or you were born with more muscle fibers in your right arm than your left. [/QUOTEabove

[lynxeffect1]

thanks for the reply ron, ur right i do better with dbol jus tried adrol for a change. i used always train 4 straight working sets of 6 to 8 reps , but recently changed to first doin a light set of high reps followed by 4 sets , first set being 12 reps, second set 10 reps, 3rd 8 reps, 4th 6 reps and im done for that movement and onto the next. i mightnt get exactly those reps always , ie the first set of 12 reps i mite stop at 12 when i cud have got 14 but the last 2 sets of 8 and 6 are always to failure, again i sometimes mite only get 5 reps onda last set. from what ive been learning myself i think ur dead right about time on time off being a waste. im goin to try your reload/deload. a friend of mine also does this except slightly differant, he take the 2 weeks off all gear and takes hcg during that time, then back on 2 days after but doesnt change his training during that time or lower his protein and comes back on the same dosage and says it works always , wot u think ron ? also ive come across sum interviews lately,ie superstar billy graham on a radio interview a few wks ago for rxmuscle and he was sayn he took so much gear back then that he cudnt even remember how much but that it was humungus amounts! the same with the dynamite kid tom billington he said he took 1200mg a day thats 8400mg a week but im also sure they meant they never ever came off at all in those years they took steroids, when you dont come off at all like that, how does making gains work? like when it comes to wk 8 and the gains stop, wud gains keep coming for them since there dosages were so huge from the start? or wud they stop eventually and then only start working again 12 wks down the line at week 20 which i think is the supposed week when myostatin levels drop to zero again?

[dav1dg90]

Thanks ronnie i will give it a go im very interested in this as usually everything does dissapear during time off its ridiculous but i also train for MMA so thats alot of cardio and alot of sweat and blood bro let me tell you lol so my calorie intake has to be through the roof to gain and im thinking this might help me out alot in keepin weight gains level and up it when im reloading and keeping it throughout and ofcourse with my diet i always been on point for droppping weight for fights and other reasons for competition but always had a hard time gaining until i ate my ass off and relaxed on MMA training....But i have another question (Whats the most MGs i should ever go up to in TEST and other AAS and when plateaued whats the next right thing to do and add and is HGH a good idea when plateau is a problem at the age of 23 ?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=dav1dg90;5****04]Thanks ronnie i will give it a go im very interested in this as usually everything does dissapear during time off its ridiculous but i also train for MMA so thats alot of cardio and alot of sweat and blood bro let me tell you lol so my calorie intake has to be through the roof to gain and im thinking this might help me out alot in keepin weight gains level and up it when im reloading and keeping it throughout and ofcourse with my diet i always been on point for droppping weight for fights and other reasons for competition but always had a hard time gaining until i ate my ass off and relaxed on MMA training....But i have another question (Whats the most MGs i should ever go up to in TEST and other AAS IT'S REALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO SAY BUT FOR YOU I WOULD PROBABLY NOT GO OVER 1.5 GRAMS OF TEST PER WEEK AND FOR ORALS LIKE D-BOL I THINK 50 PER DAY IS ADEQUATE.and when plateaued whats the next right thing to do IN YOUR CASE ITS SIMPLY EAT MORE CALORIES..and add and is HGH a good idea when plateau is a problem at the age of 23 ? GH IS NOT THE BEST PLAN SINCE YOU ARE ALREADY LEAN AND HAVING PROBLEMS GAINING WEIGHT. I THINK TEST/D-BOL OR TEST/ANADROL PLUS MORE CALORIES IS BEST FOR YOU![/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

thanks for the reply ron, ur right i do better with dbol jus tried adrol for a change. I used always train 4 straight working sets of 6 to 8 reps , but recently changed to first doin a light set of high reps followed by 4 sets , first set being 12 reps, second set 10 reps, 3rd 8 reps, 4th 6 reps and im done for that movement and onto the next. I mightnt get exactly those reps always , ie the first set of 12 reps i mite stop at 12 when i cud have got 14 but the last 2 sets of 8 and 6 are always to failure, again i sometimes mite only get 5 reps onda last set. after warm ups take every set to failure for about 8 intense work sets per major body part. List your entire routine and i'll take a look at it. From what ive been learning myself i think ur dead right about time on time off being a waste absolutely!. im goin to try your reload/deload. A friend of mine also does this except slightly differant, he take the 2 weeks off all gear and takes hcg during that time, then back on 2 days after but doesnt change his training during that time or lower his protein and comes back on the same dosage and says it works always , wot u think ron ? that will work as well but he needs to lower volume during 2 week deload to prevent burnout also ive come across sum interviews lately,ie superstar billy graham on a radio interview a few wks ago for rxmuscle and he was sayn he took so much gear back then that he cudnt even remember how much but that it was humungus amounts! The same with the dynamite kid tom billington he said he took 1200mg a day thats 8400mg a week but im also sure they meant they never ever came off at all in those years they took steroids, when you dont come off at all like that, how does making gains work? Like when it comes to wk 8 and the gains stop, wud gains keep coming for them since there dosages were so huge from the start? yes, they will keep gaining for a while with such high dosages even when going past 8 weeks but eventually they have to use that much just to maintain and no more gains will be forthcoming! I do not condone this approach!!! That's called abuse in my book and hard on one's health in many ways. or wud they stop eventually and then only start working again 12 wks down the line at week 20 which i think is the supposed week when myostatin levels drop to zero again? myostatin levels, cortisol levels and satelite cells are all veryu complicated topics and we do not know every reason whey steroids eventually stop producing. Remember, it's only when anabolism outweighs catabolism through steroid use that one makes gains in muscle. There comes a point in time in a pro-bodybuilder's life they make no gains but rather only maintain what they built in the past.

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[Black]

For some, its not possible (financially or whatever) to stay on year round. So for those people that normally run 12+ week cycles (standard cycles), do you recommend shortening them to 8 weeks as well?

[Indian Muscle]

Hi Ron,

What would be the best possible way to cycle off Clen according to you, I have read different strategies like 1 week on 1 week off, 2 week on 2 week off, 6 weeks straight without a break etc.. Please suggest.

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ron,

what would be the best possible way to cycle off clen according to you, i have read different strategies like 1 week on 1 week off, 2 week on 2 week off, 6 weeks straight without a break etc.. Please suggest.

Thanks

for example, during a 12 week cutting cycle my preference is 2 weeks on/1 week off (do this cycle twice for 6 weeks) and then taper dosages upwards for last 6 weeks by adding 20 every 2 weeks. So during last 6 weeks you never come off but for first 6 weeks you take off 1 week every 2 weeks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Dante Diamond;5526476]For some, its not possible (financially or whatever) to stay on year round. So for those people that normally run 12+ week cycles (standard cycles), do you recommend shortening them to 8 weeks as well? YES, I WOULD DO 8 WEEKS RELOADING WITH A 2 WEEK TAPERING PERIOD (DELOAD)[/QUOTE]ABOVE

[Black]

For some, its not possible (financially or whatever) to stay on year round. So for those people that normally run 12+ week cycles (standard cycles), do you recommend shortening them to 8 weeks as well?

Damn Ronnie, beat me to it. So you would do an 8 week cycle even if you aren't going to slingshot? 8 weeks test cyp @ 500mg then 2 weeks test cyp 250mg, then PCT, for example?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Damn Ronnie, beat me to it. So you would do an 8 week cycle even if you aren't going to slingshot? 8 weeks test cyp @ 500mg then 2 weeks test cyp 250mg, then PCT, for example?Yes, thats a 10 week mini slingshot cycle. Save other 4 weeks of gear for next cycle. Follow up with PCT after 10 weeks.

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[lynxeffect1]

so basically ron , by continuously reloading \ deloading u wud be continually making small steady gains bit by bit at moderate dosages and keeping health in check ? instead of a gung ho take as many thousand grams as i can attitude? if someone was taking 750 mg test during reload , then came off and did pct for 2 weeks, then back on reload and took 1000mg, well how many mg do u start with on ur next 2 reloads u have coming up? the same again 750 then 1000 as long as your getn results keep repeating with those dosages? my training looks like this ... mon - back,tri tues - shoulders,traps,abs thurs - chest,bi fri - legs . routine is same all round, example for chest....... incline db, warm up of about 20 reps with low weight , next set 12 reps of 75, next set 10 reps of 85 , next set 8 reps of 95 and last set is 105's for 6 reps. ive been told to consider the sets of 12 and 10 reps to be warms up sets aswel and sets of 8 and 6 as the 2 working sets as these are the 2 sets i shud be taking to total failure and if i can get more reps i will or forced reps. il do the same for for flat dbs, incline flys and hammer strength machine. but it tends to work out a bit diff say for arms , pretend triceps, tricep cable pushdowns - i seem to end up goin to failure on the 2 warm up sets of 12 and 10 aswel as sets 8 and 6! so shud i consider doin all 4 sets of 12.10.8.6 all to failure and count as 4 sets or shud i choose using slighly lighter weights for the sets of 12 and 10? which ive done before but then found i end up pushing less weight for the sets of 8 and 6. i think im even confusing myself know i hope you understand what im sayn!

[Ronnie Rowland]

so basically ron , by continuously reloading \ deloading u wud be continually making small steady gains bit by bit at moderate dosages and keeping health in check ? thats the plan! instead of a gung ho take as many thousand grams as i can attitude? If someone was taking 750 mg test during reload , then came off and did pct for 2 weeks, then back on reload and took 1000mg, well how many mg do u start with on ur next 2 reloads u have coming up? i would go 1-1.5 grams per week during second reload or use least amount you can while still making gains. The same again 750 then 1000 as long as your getn results keep repeating with those dosages? yes my training looks like this ... Mon - back,tri tues - shoulders,traps,abs thurs - chest,bi fri - legs . Routine is same all round, (train triceps after shoulders not back!) example for chest....... Incline db, warm up of about 20 reps with low weight , next set 12 reps of 75, next set 10 reps of 85 , next set 8 reps of 95 and last set is 105's for 6 reps. Ive been told to consider the sets of 12 and 10 reps to be warms up sets aswel and sets of 8 and 6 as the 2 working sets as these are the 2 sets i shud be taking to total failure and if i can get more reps i will or forced reps. Il do the same for for flat dbs, incline flys and hammer strength machine. But it tends to work out a bit diff say for arms , pretend triceps, tricep cable pushdowns - i seem to end up goin to failure on the 2 warm up sets of 12 and 10 aswel as sets 8 and 6! So shud i consider doin all 4 sets of 12.10.8.6 all to failure yes, you are under-training! and count as 4 sets or shud i choose using slighly lighter weights for the sets of 12 and 10? Which ive done before but then found i end up pushing less weight for the sets of 8 and 6. I think im even confusing myself know i hope you understand what im sayn!

do not count warm up sets. Perform around 8 work sets to failure (no forced reps) per body part and no need in warming up for second chest exercise!

[djdizzy]

Couple of questions. I'm doing a 20 week blast, about to do my 1st deload. If I am pinning E3D (500mg/week) when I enter the deload I just wait a week till the next pin? Like if the 21st is when I start my deload and it coincides with a pin day, that would be my last for a week and then I pin again on the 28th and start the reload the following week? For the reload I'll be doing 750 a week, is that OK to pin on Mon, Wed, Fri?

Second, you mention that its best to stick with the same exercises so you can log your gains thru the blast. Is it best to keep my workouts the same for the 2nd reload (although I might add an exercise or 2 to add some volume, current reload is in the 7-9 set range)

Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

couple of questions. I'm doing a 20 week blast, about to do my 1st deload. If i am pinning e3d (500mg/week) when i enter the deload i just wait a week till the next pin? yes! like if the 21st is when i start my deload and it coincides with a pin day, that would be my last for a week and then i pin again on the 28th and start the reload the following week? yes! for the reload i'll be doing 750 a week, is that ok to pin on mon, wed, fri? yes!

second, you mention that its best to stick with the same exercises so you can log your gains thru the blast. Is it best to keep my workouts the same for the 2nd reload (although i might add an exercise or 2 to add some volume, current reload is in the 7-9 set range)if you are making gains do not change anything. Quite often you can get by with adding more for a couple of weeks or so but then you'll usually find the need to revert back to less once again because the cns/joints can't take the extra load. I do my best finding what works per each body part and stikcing to it for the most part.on occasion i will add or take away but it's rare. thanks!

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[lynxeffect1]

forgot to mention ron, with the past 2 months i seem to be wrecked all day every day, it came out of nowhere and now im half asleep driving to training and practically asleep driving home and anytime i sit down during the day i cud fall asleep a few times, any ideas ron?

[Ronnie Rowland]

forgot to mention ron, with the past 2 months i seem to be wrecked all day every day, it came out of nowhere and now im half asleep driving to training and practically asleep driving home and anytime i sit down during the day i cud fall asleep a few times, any ideas ron?

Sounds like sleep apnea..Do you snore?