Test E and Dbol first cycle

[Haro3]

no haro your lookin good. theres a difference. u musta put alot of weight on ur legs or something tho because that doesnt look like 20 lbs to me (i know u aded 20, im just saying some of thats def. on ur legs) thew test will definitely be good to you. sry again but whats ur test dose?

500 a week. yea im hoping i see something with the test. atleast look more solid or something.

hey heres some sides ive noticed......sexual stamina is HORRIBLE i ahve no endurance at all i wear out so easily and its hard to keep a hard on...dunno if thats normal but its definately something i've noticed.

[king6]

Thats odd. I thought test was suppose to increse you sex drive crazy animal like. Even with letro, which kills sex drive, test is suppose to balance it out.
I do know how you feel. I'm taking letro now with halodrol, and I don't even think about sex anymore.

[ironaddict69]

ah its the dbol. not enough test coming from it and ur shut down. dont worry, the test will definitely correct that. you might wanna get some proviron for the time being. i was hypogonadal for a while, and it took like 6 weeks for the test injections to actually make my dick work right.

[Haro3]

ah its the dbol. not enough test coming from it and ur shut down. dont worry, the test will definitely correct that. you might wanna get some proviron for the time being. i was hypogonadal for a while, and it took like 6 weeks for the test injections to actually make my dick work right.

yea i really think the test just hasnt kicked yet. im anxiously waiting. my roomate is runnin the same cycle and recently just jumped up another 4 lbs so i would assume it kicked in for him this past week. so im waitin

[ironaddict69]

yeah, while its different for everyone it shud be around 4-6 weeks. this is why people use prop before hand, and itd worth it. waiting for something to work while your body isnt functioning, is hell in its own rights.

[Haro3]

yeah, while its different for everyone it shud be around 4-6 weeks. this is why people use prop before hand, and itd worth it. waiting for something to work while your body isnt functioning, is hell in its own rights.

definately. i hope i start seeing something from the test...will it be obvious when it kicks in?

[ironaddict69]

yeah man, ull be horny!!!! i was on 300 mg a week for HRT for a while (way too high) an dit put me at 1500 on the ranges, so with 500 u shud be at 1800-2000. now im at 150 mg a week, and doin better. so uh, feeling it... hmm. yeah, youll be more aggressive, which shudnt be a problem u seem like a nice guy, just dont let it beat you. but 500 mg a week shudnt be bad, ive gone up to almost a gram, then i started having SLIGHT trouble. still controllable. but yeah more acne, diferent mental outlook and ull probly deal with stress better, plus the improved sex drive thing.

[Haro3]

yeah man, ull be horny!!!! i was on 300 mg a week for HRT for a while (way too high) an dit put me at 1500 on the ranges, so with 500 u shud be at 1800-2000. now im at 150 mg a week, and doin better. so uh, feeling it... hmm. yeah, youll be more aggressive, which shudnt be a problem u seem like a nice guy, just dont let it beat you. but 500 mg a week shudnt be bad, ive gone up to almost a gram, then i started having SLIGHT trouble. still controllable. but yeah more acne, diferent mental outlook and ull probly deal with stress better, plus the improved sex drive thing.

sweet. i just wouldnt ahve thought it would take this long to kcik in. cuz i definately dont feel any different yet

[Haro3]

dbol is done today....i ran out lol so im 3 days short of 6 weeks

[Haro3]

today was back day still going strong, i've dropped a couple lbs but i think its jus water as i dont feel as bloated

[ironaddict69]

itll be subtle. you wont all of a udden be like raping girls. youll notice a little here a little there. i wiah it was boom like na explosion but it isnt. plus 500 aitn a while lot.

[Wanna-Be-Big]

AWESOME LOG

Test takes awhile for some poeple, be patient and everything will workout fine.

[Haro3]

AWESOME LOG

Test takes awhile for some poeple, be patient and everything will workout fine.

yea kinda weird how its takin longer for me. i have no doubt its real, very reputable source but jus kinda sux waiting for it lol. im 221 in the morning jus weighed myself so that puts me 17lbs up as of now, and im not going to bitch about that one bit. i've noticed a slight increase in "horniness" lol if thats a word over the past two days so maybe thats a good sign....the g/f better be ready! ahaha. start a job today framin houses so i might not lift tonight as i dont want to go to the gym after my first day working in like 4 months, im going to be wasted. ill prolly hit it hard tomorrow. wwe'll see how i feel tonight

[ironaddict69]

overtraining can also reduce sex drive. make sure u take adequate time off, thats also when u grow. i do 4 days on 3 days off, and it works out perfect.
btw 17 lbs is still huge. id expect for you to end this about 25 lbs heavier (after pct) from when u started. thats huge by the way.

[Haro3]

i think im taking descent time off. training like 2-3 on 1 off 2-3 on 1-2 off depending on how i feel, i take time off

[Haro3]

alright guys im askin for advice with this. i've been told by multiple people to go ahead and run it but i want advice from all i know a few people dont think i should and maybe ill learn the hardway but i had 4g's of winni given to me and was considering taking winni the remaining 6 weeks of my cycle (up to pct) to help harden/retain more gains at the end of the cycle. a dose somewhere between 50mg and 80mg i've been told to use both. i want advice from experienced people on this subject, not to sound like a jerk and i appreciate all advice but i dont want any regurgitated information from someone that "read something posted by someone else" etc. only experience PLEASE.

pro's and con's, i will also be getting a blood test very soono and was going to wait until the winni was started to see what my results were....also as a reminder my dbol is done and has been for 3 days so i will be off the dbol for 2.5 weeks before starting the winni. suggestions/comments on the subject please.

[ironaddict69]

never used it, but do it. the extra dht will only help you. not to mention the sex drive probably too. more guys will comment on this when they see it as to the doseage and what not.

[Hellmaskbanned]

alright guys im askin for advice with this. i've been told by multiple people to go ahead and run it but i want advice from all i know a few people dont think i should and maybe ill learn the hardway but i had 4g's of winni given to me and was considering taking winni the remaining 6 weeks of my cycle (up to pct) to help harden/retain more gains at the end of the cycle. a dose somewhere between 50mg and 80mg i've been told to use both. i want advice from experienced people on this subject, not to sound like a jerk and i appreciate all advice but i dont want any regurgitated information from someone that "read something posted by someone else" etc. only experience PLEASE.

pro's and con's, i will also be getting a blood test very soono and was going to wait until the winni was started to see what my results were....also as a reminder my dbol is done and has been for 3 days so i will be off the dbol for 2.5 weeks before starting the winni. suggestions/comments on the subject please.

Honestly theres no need in adding winstrol to your cycle. When People say "harden up" they have confused veiws. Winstrol doesn't burn fat, so if your looking to cut just up your cardio or alter your diet, the test will keep you from losing muscle thats for sure. Winstrol drys you up to much for my liking personally, muscles feel tight, and joints feel dry....feel like a tin man, cracking everywhere like an old man. Your on arimidex correct? So Im sure that will harden you up from the dbol bloat. You could add the winstrol, but I feel it as its not necessary considering your running test and dbol for a first cycle, I don't think the winstrol will add much to what they by themselves will give you gain wise.

[Haro3]

Honestly theres no need in adding winstrol to your cycle. When People say "harden up" they have confused veiws. Winstrol doesn't burn fat, so if your looking to cut just up your cardio or alter your diet, the test will keep you from losing muscle thats for sure. Winstrol drys you up to much for my liking personally, muscles feel tight, and joints feel dry....feel like a tin man, cracking everywhere like an old man. Your on arimidex correct? So Im sure that will harden you up from the dbol bloat. You could add the winstrol, but I feel it as its not necessary considering your running test and dbol for a first cycle, I don't think the winstrol will add much to what they by themselves will give you gain wise.

great response man, i appreciate it. im currently researching it. the only reason i was thinkin of doing it is cuz it didnt cost me anything and figured if its safe...what could it hurt.....i still have more research etc to do

[Haro3]

UPDATE: 221.5 lbs this morning....down from my max of 224-225 cant remember. but i st oped the dbol on sunday so that would explain it. also upped the arimidex to .5mg-1mg. today was chest day and i smashed some weight.. i felt weak today, kinda tired but ended up being incredibly strong. got 120's for 9 and 130s for 6 on incline thats with good form but i didnt feel the 130s in my chest as much so i dropped down to 110's and repped out to 12 or so. then did flat bench which made me feel like a puss lol all in all great workout. very intense, i was completely soaked by the time i was done. also i have upped my diet slightly increased the carbs and raised it 250 cals i believe. if anyone wants to see it ill post it. but right now im jus lazy lol

[Haro3]

update...i've noticed my nipps are puffy, no pain or sensitivity tho....left one feels like its slightly bruised underneath but im pretty sure i already ahve slight gyno underneath that one. so i've upped the adex to 1mg a day..should it be higher? also it sounds kinda weird but if i squeeze on them i can get a slight amount of water to come out.....im lactating!! lol ahahahah anyways today makes the end of week 6. anyone comment on my winny usage...? post #176

[ironaddict69]

uhh yeah id start the winny the last few weeks, run it till PCT, this lactating thing sucks, aromasin works better, and less sides. the winny could even be a little anti estrogen as well i suppose.

[SlightlySt00pid]

Hey man, nice thread. My first cycle was exactly the same, and I made a thread about it as well. The most important advice I can offer is don't get discouraged by the sudden halt in gains after you drop the dbol. Your body is losing water and building muscle, and your weight is doing a balancing act as a result. Just keep that in mind when you're lifting, eating, whatever, just don't stop doing what you're doing. Here's a link to my thread, hopefully there might be something there that will prove helpful, I know it did for me, everyone here is awesome:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=207803

-S.S.

[Haro3]

yesterday was back day and i've been feelin a lil weak. i've dropped a few pounds and im eatting more....so im not sure whats going on. im like 219 in teh morning 218 maybe which puts me at 14lbs up???? i guess its just water coming off. i dunno. im still strong tho.

[ironaddict69]

lol relax big guy, it is water-because your still strong. dbol is good and i cant wait to try it, but i know ill be a murderer once i start sroppin lbs too. just gtive the test some time. youll climb on back up, like i said, if u do this right, youll keep 20 lbs when this battle is over.

[Haro3]

im hopin so. u know how it is to go up then watch the scale drop. but i think i look better so thats all that matters anyways

[ironaddict69]

yeah ur probly lookin more muscular instead of rounded out, and when u get a lil more defininition you look bigger anyway. be sure to take pics when this is all done. how many more weeks u got on the thest and how long u running it total?

[Hellmaskbanned]

yesterday was back day and i've been feelin a lil weak. i've dropped a few pounds and im eatting more....so im not sure whats going on. im like 219 in teh morning 218 maybe which puts me at 14lbs up???? i guess its just water coming off. i dunno. im still strong tho.

THats why I don't even weigh myself anymore...Whats the point? Using the mirror as a scale is a much better form of showing progress. I was once obsessed with increasing scale weight- End result I was a chubby 265lbs. You get caught up with how much you weigh instead of how good the weight looks on you. I wouldn't worry about the weight gain so much, I personally would just go by strenght increase in lifts, measurements, and BF decrease. Because once you get obsessed with weight gain, the end result is you look fat and muscle is hidden under it......Well for me thats what happened aswell as my training partners!

[Haro3]

THats why I don't even weigh myself anymore...Whats the point? Using the mirror as a scale is a much better form of showing progress. I was once obsessed with increasing scale weight- End result I was a chubby 265lbs. You get caught up with how much you weigh instead of how good the weight looks on you. I wouldn't worry about the weight gain so much, I personally would just go by strenght increase in lifts, measurements, and BF decrease. Because once you get obsessed with weight gain, the end result is you look fat and muscle is hidden under it......Well for me thats what happened aswell as my training partners!

definately realized that now. im not touchin the scale anymore maybe once every couple weeks.

im runnin the test 12 weeks and thursday will be the end of week 6. beginning of week 8 i add winny at 80mg.

[Hellmaskbanned]

definately realized that now. im not touchin the scale anymore maybe once every couple weeks.

im runnin the test 12 weeks and thursday will be the end of week 6. beginning of week 8 i add winny at 80mg.

Not fooling around are ya

What are you running the Arimidex at?

If your not gyno prone, running an AI might not even be necessary because of the winstrol. It will keep you dry, combined with an AI alittle to dry....Me personally would not run an AI, or if your still worried about gyno lower the dose of arim for sure.

[Hellmaskbanned]

Also, I think I remember you mentioning having bad knees??

Well if so you should get some Glucossamine/chondroiton for your joints. Also, High doses of Vitamin C tend to help.
Drink lots of water!

Because winstrol will dry you out, and if your very active(running, Jumping,or even in lifts)can bring on tendinitus quite badly, hindering workouts.

[Haro3]

im at 1mg a day of adex cuz i had some soreness in my left nipple but i think it was just bruised somehow or jus sensitive from me playing with it to much lol. i think i am a lil prone to gyno tho i have a lil bit under one nip from a SD cycle......what do u recommend droppin the adex too?

[Haro3]

Also, I think I remember you mentioning having bad knees??

Well if so you should get some Glucossamine/chondroiton for your joints. Also, High doses of Vitamin C tend to help.
Drink lots of water!

Because winstrol will dry you out, and if your very active(running, Jumping,or even in lifts)can bring on tendinitus quite badly, hindering workouts.

i have torn cartilage in one knee and a slightly torn acl. do u still recomend this?

[chest6]

THats why I don't even weigh myself anymore...Whats the point? Using the mirror as a scale is a much better form of showing progress. I was once obsessed with increasing scale weight- End result I was a chubby 265lbs. You get caught up with how much you weigh instead of how good the weight looks on you. I wouldn't worry about the weight gain so much, I personally would just go by strenght increase in lifts, measurements, and BF decrease. Because once you get obsessed with weight gain, the end result is you look fat and muscle is hidden under it......Well for me thats what happened aswell as my training partners!

right on..I got to 275 after that

I dont even weigh myself anymore..maybe once a month or every 2 months..but thats it

[Dangerdan]

Great log Haro. I'm following as well.

[guest589745]

I never understood why people care about water retention or what it is actually like. Its a good thing IMO.

How far in are you now Haro3 ?

[guest589745]

Get bloodwork too haro3. Tell your doctor its for your own piece of mind. Get hormones, kindneys, liver and cholesterol most importantly. If they give you any shit just let them know who is paying THEM to work.

Get it done during and after your cycle. Its the only way to know exactly whast going on, use it as your guide.

[Haro3]

Get bloodwork too haro3. Tell your doctor its for your own piece of mind. Get hormones, kindneys, liver and cholesterol most importantly. If they give you any shit just let them know who is paying THEM to work.

Get it done during and after your cycle. Its the only way to know exactly whast going on, use it as your guide.

im going to get blood work done after i start the winny in two more weeks. Thursday is the beginning of week 7 btw.

[ironaddict69]

haro are u feelin anything?
or better yet seeing improvements still? that would signal the test taking effect. dont forget i know 2 people who ddint see shit till week 8-10. seeing it in week6 in COMMON. usually not b4. all about how ur body reacts and removes the esters i suppose.

[Hellmaskbanned]

haro are u feelin anything?
or better yet seeing improvements still? that would signal the test taking effect. dont forget i know 2 people who ddint see shit till week 8-10. seeing it in week6 in COMMON. usually not b4. all about how ur body reacts and removes the esters i suppose.

Whoa holy shit! 8-10 weeks to see any results? Were these guys even working out or did they finally get a pump after picking up the remote control on week 8.....