Successful Competing

[David PvP]

Ok...

[David PvP]

yeah but since t3 and clen are that cheap i am not sure the addition on hgh could make that much of a difference,i'd rather be more carefull with diet,food,carb cyclyng than spend on hgh more than i spend on rest of the gear....

[emayarsh]

Metal... if you had a full year until your show after just doing a show.. so you did show 20 sep 2014 then next show was 20 sep 2015.. what would your full year of cycles/blast cruise/gear usage look like? Especially if you wanted to win ..

& if you was 22-23yr old with 2-3 years gear experience with a current cycle at 1000mg test e 400mg tren e 50mg dbol at 200lbs 14% bf lol cheeky.. & you didnt really give a rats ass if you ended up on trt because you love the sport lol x

[Metalject]

What I'd do or what I did? I guess there'd be some common themes but probably not identical. And I assume in this scenario money isn't an issue? Anyway, this is simply what I'd do now, that's the only way I know how to answer the question.

*After the show I wouldn't take anything other than a low dose of testosterone. I'd do that until Dec. or Jan, which is what I used to do anyway.

*Off-season:
250mg of Testosterone Enanthate a day, preferably Testoviron amps
600-800mg of Nandrolone per week
HGH 10-15iu per day
IGF-1 4wks on 4wks off
T3 50mcg/ed


Contest Prep:
250mg Test-E every day
NPP 200-300mg/eod
EQ 200-300mg/eod
Tren-a 700-1000mg/wk
Masteron 500-600mg/wk
Anavar 100mg/ed
HGH 10-15iu/ed
T3 100-200mcg/ed

And if I had more money I'd buy more HGH
When I'd stop the EQ and NPP...hard to say...probably 6-8wks out depending on what things were looking like. I would probably start the Tren 12wks out, Masteron and Anavar 8wks out. Would probably stop HGH 2wks out, maybe. Testosterone, could stay at 250/ed all the way up to the show or could end up being 100mg/wk the last few weeks. That one's impossible to predict.

Anyway, that's probably about what I'd do if money were no object.

[oldnsedentary]

Contest Prep:
250mg Test-E every day
NPP 200-300mg/eod
EQ 200-300mg/eod
Tren-a 700-1000mg/wk
Masteron 500-600mg/wk
Anavar 100mg/ed
HGH 10-15iu/ed
T3 100-200mcg/ed

Three quick questions. (1) You had T3 in your off season stack. Why? (2) What does the addition of EQ in your contest prep cycle do for you? Equipose is one of those steroids I really do not understand. Never tried it. (3) Why inject testosterone enanthate every day? Why not use prop?

[Metalject]

Three quick questions. (1) You had T3 in your off season stack. Why? (2) What does the addition of EQ in your contest prep cycle do for you? Equipose is one of those steroids I really do not understand. Never tried it. (3) Why inject testosterone enanthate every day? Why not use prop?

1. To help control fat gain when bulking.

2. At that stage of the prep it's not time to run Tren and all the rest yet. Contest cycles were usually broken into two phases, phase 1 Test, EQ and/or NPP. Phase 2, Test and all the rest. There might be some overlapping between the two phases. The point of EQ, technically you could just run more of the other stuff but that gets a bit uncomfortable for me and I'd rather add more anabolics that way than the alternative. The idea is to have enough to preserve as much lean mass as possible and that works well.

3. If you're using large amounts of test over the course of a week, it's easier to control with smaller frequent doses. That's the only reason. Why I don't use Prop, I have but it always burns so much and since it doesn't provide any benefit of Test-e I always preferred Test-e.

[oldnsedentary]

Thanks, Metalject. I had never even considered the possibility of number 1. I am trying T3 for the first time soon, and it is for a cut.

[gearbox]

Thanks, Metalject. I had never even considered the possibility of number 1. I am trying T3 for the first time soon, and it is for a cut.

You will love t3. I got a few head aches and that was it. In future I will only run t3 in a bulk also. The hunger increases which makes cutting worse imo.

[oldnsedentary]

*Off-season:
250mg of Testosterone Enanthate a day, preferably Testoviron amps
600-800mg of Nandrolone per week
HGH 10-15iu per day
IGF-1 4wks on 4wks off
T3 50mcg/ed


Contest Prep:
250mg Test-E every day
NPP 200-300mg/eod
EQ 200-300mg/eod
Tren-a 700-1000mg/wk
Masteron 500-600mg/wk
Anavar 100mg/ed
HGH 10-15iu/ed
T3 100-200mcg/ed

And if I had more money I'd buy more HGH
When I'd stop the EQ and NPP...hard to say...probably 6-8wks out depending on what things were looking like. I would probably start the Tren 12wks out, Masteron and Anavar 8wks out. Would probably stop HGH 2wks out, maybe. Testosterone, could stay at 250/ed all the way up to the show or could end up being 100mg/wk the last few weeks. That one's impossible to predict.

Any ai, such as arimidex or exemestane, or any caber or prami?

[Metalject]

Any ai, such as arimidex or exemestane, or any caber or prami?

Off-season, sometimes I'd use anastrozole or letrozole. Usually 0.5mg/eod
Contest prep, usually 1mg of anastrozole/eod and up to 1mg/ed the last 2-3wks.

[stirated]

Off-season, sometimes I'd use anastrozole or letrozole. Usually 0.5mg/eod
Contest prep, usually 1mg of anastrozole/eod and up to 1mg/ed the last 2-3wks.

Hey mate I have read this thread many times and would just like to say thank you for telling it like it is.
The amount of gear being used these days is insane, but that is what it is.

Its refreshing to get the real deal on things, as they are, so that people who have aspirations of being a real bodybuilder know exactly what to expect.

I like your comment on Ronnie about doing that dead lift, without giving to much away the same thing happens in Aus, Mags own you, do what they say otherwise kiss good bye to your sponsorship.

Im a member on lots of boards which we did not have in my day, but having said that I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you on behalf of me and everyone here.

Guys realize that metal dose this out of love for the sport and if you read his post you will soon realize he has some serious grounding in this regard.

Now can i ask you some questions please, but it seems everything has been covered, don't wont to ask a dumb question.

If I gave you a list of compounds that I had available would you tell me your thoughts on how you would use them.
Maet E/p
Test E
EQ
Deca
NPP
TrenA
TrenE
Priom/ real deal
Anavar
Dbol Stan/ winstrol
Test Prop
Scitropin Aus pharma GH
T3/T4

I realize that its hard to give advice without some info so her it is, im 23 weeks out from this years Nationals and my avi pic was dexa scaned at 5.6%, im not one to blow smoke up my own arse but I m not a big believer in if your abs aint shownen then your not growing. I try and stay on the lean shish side because I've never seen a smooth man win a comp, condition and symmetry are everything.

One thing in particular intrigue me, your inclusion of IGF, no pro's in aus I know bother with peptides. Thoughts on this.

Thanks in advanced.

[Metalject]

Hey mate I have read this thread many times and would just like to say thank you for telling it like it is.
The amount of gear being used these days is insane, but that is what it is.

Its refreshing to get the real deal on things, as they are, so that people who have aspirations of being a real bodybuilder know exactly what to expect.

I like your comment on Ronnie about doing that dead lift, without giving to much away the same thing happens in Aus, Mags own you, do what they say otherwise kiss good bye to your sponsorship.

Im a member on lots of boards which we did not have in my day, but having said that I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you on behalf of me and everyone here.

Guys realize that metal dose this out of love for the sport and if you read his post you will soon realize he has some serious grounding in this regard.

Now can i ask you some questions please, but it seems everything has been covered, don't wont to ask a dumb question.

If I gave you a list of compounds that I had available would you tell me your thoughts on how you would use them.
Maet E/p
Test E
EQ
Deca
NPP
TrenA
TrenE
Priom/ real deal
Anavar
Dbol Stan/ winstrol
Test Prop
Scitropin Aus pharma GH
T3/T4

I realize that its hard to give advice without some info so her it is, im 23 weeks out from this years Nationals and my avi pic was dexa scaned at 5.6%, im not one to blow smoke up my own arse but I m not a big believer in if your abs aint shownen then your not growing. I try and stay on the lean shish side because I've never seen a smooth man win a comp, condition and symmetry are everything.

One thing in particular intrigue me, your inclusion of IGF, no pro's in aus I know bother with peptides. Thoughts on this.

Thanks in advanced.

So you're saying you're at this moment 23wks out and 5.6% bf? You stay that lean in the off-season? Or did you have another show recently that you did?

[APM]

Just awesome man!! May I ask your opinion on Primo? Both E and oral Ace? How would you fit it in during the offseason (if that's even a smart time to use it) and also for prep. I know a few females that use oral Ace and look so nasty shredded on it. Do men even use the Acetate version? I've never used either of it myself but its on my list as I'm about to start my next prep towards the end of march...

[Metalject]

Just awesome man!! May I ask your opinion on Primo? Both E and oral Ace? How would you fit it in during the offseason (if that's even a smart time to use it) and also for prep. I know a few females that use oral Ace and look so nasty shredded on it. Do men even use the Acetate version? I've never used either of it myself but its on my list as I'm about to start my next prep towards the end of march...

I wouldn't mess with oral primo. You have to take a ton for it to be worth anything and that's going to cost a good bit of money. Injectable, the big problem is finding realy primobolan. It's one of the more commonly counterfeited steroids out there.

Anyway, yes men use the Acetate version....if you can find it in injectable form, and it's out there just not common. The woman I work with, those that use Primo, I have them use injectable as well but I'm more partial to anavar and masteron with woman.

Off-season, personally I wouldn't use it. I'd save it for contest prep.

[Live for the PUMP]

Awesome write up Metalject. I'm looking at competing soon and found this helpful. I will likely be asking you some questions in the near future.

[stirated]

Well depending how the rest of this off season goes I had two trains of thought, one I would start comp prep at week 16 giving me plenty of time to gently get into shape, no harsh dieting and there leaves lots of room for adjustments on the way if need be.

Thought Two, comp prep starts at 8 weeks ,now I know I can get it done in 8 as I have before, this leaves more time to bulk or increase muscle mass if you like, but comp prep diet is more restrictive and there is no room for error, as a side note do you believe its possible to grow into a show like Kevin Levrone used to do.

Your opinion on both diet strategies would be appreciated.

[Metalject]

I always want 16wks with someone if it's the first show I'm working on with them. Doesn't mean they're actually dieting the whole time but it helps figure things out. But plenty of guys need the full 16wks. In your case, if you're that lean you probably don't need it, 8 might be pushing it, hard to say, you know how hard or easy it is for you to lean out.

As far as a month or two more of bulking, unless you're taking very large amounts of gear it's not going to make any difference. On that same note, yes you can grow into a show, to a degree, if you take enough gear and have fantastic genetics.

[stirated]

Thank you for your advice, I think I may follow last years plan when I started dieting and compound choices at week 16, then really tighten things up from week 12 onwards. If you think the extra bulking time is negligible then this would seem the best approach.

What would be your thoughts on running the primo at say 1000mg all the way through to the show, I have read the longer you can run it the better.

[Metalject]

Thank you for your advice, I think I may follow last years plan when I started dieting and compound choices at week 16, then really tighten things up from week 12 onwards. If you think the extra bulking time is negligible then this would seem the best approach.

What would be your thoughts on running the primo at say 1000mg all the way through to the show, I have read the longer you can run it the better.

I don't have any problems with Primo itself other than it's probably the most commonly counterfeited steroid out there. Anavar would be the second most common but I truly believe Primo is the most common. Most Primo is either low dose test or nandrolone or a mix of both. One way to know if the particular batch is real is if you know of a girl using it. If she starts showing signs of lactating, which I've seen happen numerous times, that's not Primo. If she starts showing signs of virilization quickly but has prior AAS use without such signs and is using normal low female doses, it's probably not Primo. If you're buying it for dirt cheap prices, it's not Primo with maybe one or two exceptions. There are sources out there that are more direct than most but they're few and far between.

Personally, I prefer to use more of other things, more Tren and Masteron, but I do know some guys who do like it precontest. One of those things that you'll just have to try to see if it's something that works well for you. I know that's kind of a weak answer but it's the best answer I have.

[stirated]

I don't have any problems with Primo itself other than it's probably the most commonly counterfeited steroid out there. Anavar would be the second most common but I truly believe Primo is the most common. Most Primo is either low dose test or nandrolone or a mix of both. One way to know if the particular batch is real is if you know of a girl using it. If she starts showing signs of lactating, which I've seen happen numerous times, that's not Primo. If she starts showing signs of virilization quickly but has prior AAS use without such signs and is using normal low female doses, it's probably not Primo. If you're buying it for dirt cheap prices, it's not Primo with maybe one or two exceptions. There are sources out there that are more direct than most but they're few and far between.

Personally, I prefer to use more of other things, more Tren and Masteron, but I do know some guys who do like it precontest. One of those things that you'll just have to try to see if it's something that works well for you. I know that's kind of a weak answer but it's the best answer I have.

Thanks metal and that's not a weak answer at all just honest, im reasonably sure what I have is primo for the following reasons, this source has been 100% reliable so far, I have done a melting point test on the raw and came back within range, also I have access to a accredited lab as its what I do for work and got a molecular weight done on it and it came back spot on, lastly it wasn't cheap.

So given all of that I feel confident that its real, i'll run it at the dose I suggested and I guess we will see.

Mast im a big fan of and will definitely use it, Tren on the other hand knocks me about a bit, buy that I mean the lack of appetite and the insomnia is bad so I think i'll limit its use until the last 12 weeks. How do you combat the Tren sides or are you one of the lucky ones that doesn't suffer.

I won't ask you to put together a list of how you would use these compounds as you have already done a similar thing earlier on in this thread, time for me to do some of my own home work.

Once I have everything written down could you give me your opinion on how it looks.

Cheers.

[Metalject]

Thanks metal and that's not a weak answer at all just honest, im reasonably sure what I have is primo for the following reasons, this source has been 100% reliable so far, I have done a melting point test on the raw and came back within range, also I have access to a accredited lab as its what I do for work and got a molecular weight done on it and it came back spot on, lastly it wasn't cheap.

So given all of that I feel confident that its real, i'll run it at the dose I suggested and I guess we will see.

Mast im a big fan of and will definitely use it, Tren on the other hand knocks me about a bit, buy that I mean the lack of appetite and the insomnia is bad so I think i'll limit its use until the last 12 weeks. How do you combat the Tren sides or are you one of the lucky ones that doesn't suffer.

I won't ask you to put together a list of how you would use these compounds as you have already done a similar thing earlier on in this thread, time for me to do some of my own home work.

Once I have everything written down could you give me your opinion on how it looks.

Cheers.

Tren's never bothered me, not really. If it's been a while since I used it, the first few wks my heart rate is a little faster and maybe the air conditioner runs a little cooler but that's about it.

Sure, lay it out and I'll give my opinion.

[stirated]

Tren's never bothered me, not really. If it's been a while since I used it, the first few wks my heart rate is a little faster and maybe the air conditioner runs a little cooler but that's about it.

Sure, lay it out and I'll give my opinion.

Hi metal sorry for the delay here is what I have come up with.

If you could give me your opinion on how it looks that would be great.

Weeks 20-16
1000mg Test E
1000mg Deca
1000mg Primo
5iu Scitropin Aus Pharma GH Mon-Fri
100mcg ED T4
.5 mg EOD Arimadex

Weeks 16-12
1000mg Test E
1000mg Primo
800mg Mast
200mg Deca
5iu Scitropin Mon-Fri
.5mg Arimadex EOD
100mcg T4 ED

Weeks 12-8
1000mg Test E
1000mg Primo
800mg Mast
400mg Tren
200mg Deca
5iu Scitropin Mon-Fri
.5mg Arimadex EOD
50mcg T3 ED

Weeks 8-4
1000mg Test E
1000mg Primo
800mg Mast
400mg tren
150mg ED Anavar
50mg ED Winstrol
5iu Scitropin Mon-Fri
.5mg Arimadex
75mcg ED T3 ED

Weeks 4-2
250mg Test E
1000mg Primo
800mg Mast
400mg Tren
150mg ED Anavar
50mg Winstrol ED
5iu Scitropin Mon-fri
.5mg Arimadex
100mcg T3 ED

Comp week
200mg Anavar ED
100mg Winstrol ED
1mg Arimadex ED

Cheers metal, and thanks for taking the time to look at his for me.

[oldnsedentary]

Metalject, with respect to dieting and contest prep, how does one know how many calories to consume. Is it a certain number under maintenance? If so, what?

[Metalject]

Metalject, with respect to dieting and contest prep, how does one know how many calories to consume. Is it a certain number under maintenance? If so, what?

I have honestly never counted calories before and don't see a need to. I can tell you this though, there is no such thing as an exact number of calories that you'll be able to hold to the entire time. Say your X number of calories below whatever maintenance is, you will not continue to burn more and more fat, eventually you'll stagnate so more calories have to be burned or less have to be consumed...one or the other.

[oldnsedentary]

I have honestly never counted calories before and don't see a need to.

Wow, seriously? Then how do you do it? I am not being a smart aleck. I am genuinely curious. I do not know how to cut, and I thought counting calories would be pretty much mandatory. How do you know how much to eat?

[Metalject]

Wow, seriously? Then how do you do it? I am not being a smart aleck. I am genuinely curious. I do not know how to cut, and I thought counting calories would be pretty much mandatory. How do you know how much to eat?

Yeah, never counted a single calorie and don't know too many competitors that have. I do know some guys that do but not many. As far as the overall question though, counting or not it's all the same, burn more than you take in, it doesn't matter if you're actually counting. You're also going to be eating the same foods in the same amounts every day, and if you stop losing fat you're going to eat less. I guess overall it's just trial and error over the years, that's the biggest thing, that and going by the mirror...are you losing fat at an acceptable rate or not? If not, fats and/or carbs continue to reduce. Protein never reduces unless absolutely necessary and that's rarely necessary. Personally, I normally consume 50g of protein over the course of 6-7 meals per day. Some diets I do fairly high fat and low carb and others I've done moderate carb and low fat....usually one or the other. As far as the guys I do prep work for, I have around 5 or 6 base diets I use and from there they are simply adjusted for that guy and evolve over the course of the diet.

[kelkel]

I have honestly never counted calories before and don't see a need to.

Neither have I. It would suck all the fun right out of this for me.

[SEOINAGE]

Neither have I. It would suck all the fun right out of this for me.

Right there with both of you.

I have convinced others to count calories, but it was mainly to get them to realize why they weren't losing weight, because they wouldn't reduce their consumption and they were drastically overeating, thinking what they were doing wasn't working because of other reasons.

Closest I have come to counting calories is on my last prime the final two weeks, and even then I didn't count everything, last week I wanted to keep it around 500 cals a day, so knowing roughly how big my patties I made are I could get fairly close, but I know I fluctuated a bit. And it wasn't so much shooting for 500 calories as that was the number that fit about the amount I was wanting to eat, I sometimes would snack on a small piece of cheese or macadamia nut butter before sleep putting me 100-200 higher, but sometimes I was under 500 at that point. I didn't make that decision based on how many calories I had left, I made it based on whether or not I was so starving I couldn't sleep.

[Metalject]

Right there with both of you.

I have convinced others to count calories, but it was mainly to get them to realize why they weren't losing weight, because they wouldn't reduce their consumption and they were drastically overeating, thinking what they were doing wasn't working because of other reasons.

Closest I have come to counting calories is on my last prime the final two weeks, and even then I didn't count everything, last week I wanted to keep it around 500 cals a day, so knowing roughly how big my patties I made are I could get fairly close, but I know I fluctuated a bit. And it wasn't so much shooting for 500 calories as that was the number that fit about the amount I was wanting to eat, I sometimes would snack on a small piece of cheese or macadamia nut butter before sleep putting me 100-200 higher, but sometimes I was under 500 at that point. I didn't make that decision based on how many calories I had left, I made it based on whether or not I was so starving I couldn't sleep.

Prime? What's that?
500kcl a day? That's it?
Help me out here

[SEOINAGE]

Sure. Here is a link to how marcus explains it here on our boards.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...e-cycling.html

I do 4 weeks every so often, this last time it was only 5-6 days at that low of calories, more likely 500-700, and that was only the very end of it. consume more calories throughout, but it is a slow reduction from start to finish usually and taking out carbs about half way. There are multiple ways to do this though. And I don't intend to go as low as I did again, I have a lot more muscle mass now, but I always have a great start afterwards, and a really nice clean rebound. On another board I have friends that use other analogies to better explain this. But you could also partially compare it to the effect you get after a show, I know not exactly the same. Almost like a mini cut, and if you are already lean it can have some advantages going into your cycle.

My intention at this point is to avoid anymore long drawn out pure cuts unless for instance I was preparing for a show. Was cutting for 15 months straight.... (although not exactly relevant, I'll utilize similar structures when doing mini cuts)

[Metalject]

Sure. Here is a link to how marcus explains it here on our boards.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...e-cycling.html

I do 4 weeks every so often, this last time it was only 5-6 days at that low of calories, more likely 500-700, and that was only the very end of it. consume more calories throughout, but it is a slow reduction from start to finish usually and taking out carbs about half way. There are multiple ways to do this though. And I don't intend to go as low as I did again, I have a lot more muscle mass now, but I always have a great start afterwards, and a really nice clean rebound. On another board I have friends that use other analogies to better explain this. But you could also partially compare it to the effect you get after a show, I know not exactly the same. Almost like a mini cut, and if you are already lean it can have some advantages going into your cycle.

My intention at this point is to avoid anymore long drawn out pure cuts unless for instance I was preparing for a show. Was cutting for 15 months straight.... (although not exactly relevant, I'll utilize similar structures when doing mini cuts)

OK, I understand now. I'm aware of people doing this. I was confused because I thought we were talking about contest prep and you mentioned prime and, well I was just confused. Thanks for clearing it up.

[SEOINAGE]

OK, I understand now. I'm aware of people doing this. I was confused because I thought we were talking about contest prep and you mentioned prime and, well I was just confused. Thanks for clearing it up.

Ya sorry to clutter your prep specific thread, was just giving some input on how I don't count calories, yet sort of count.

[Metalject]

Ya sorry to clutter your prep specific thread, was just giving some input on how I don't count calories, yet sort of count.

No worries, I was just confused. Clutter it up with whatever you'd like

[jla1986]

great stuff..

[SOL!D5NAK3]

hello metal i've read almost every post of this thread and loved it,sharing your experience and answering all the questions with patience is just awesome and rare. loved your random tips and thoughts.

[kelkel]

hello metal i've read almost every post of this thread and loved it,sharing your experience and answering all the questions with patience is just awesome and rare. loved your random tips and thoughts.

He imparts invaluable info / wisdom for those looking to compete. A wealth of knowledge, absorb it.

[Metalject]

He imparts invaluable info / wisdom for those looking to compete. A wealth of knowledge, absorb it.

Thanks. Honestly I didn't expect anyone to have any interest in this thread when I started it - thought a few people might comment or read it but it seems a few have enjoyed it. As eluded to in the post above I'd like to add more to it but I don't want to repeat and regurgitate the same stuff but it's hard to remember what's already been mentioned.

[kelkel]

Thanks. Honestly I didn't expect anyone to have any interest in this thread when I started it - thought a few people might comment or read it but it seems a few have enjoyed it. As eluded to in the post above I'd like to add more to it but I don't want to repeat and regurgitate the same stuff but it's hard to remember what's already been mentioned.

Repeating is fine. Sometimes when the same thing is repeated in a slightly different structure it will hit home with people, imho.

[Metalject]

hello metal i've read almost every post of this thread and loved it,sharing your experience and answering all the questions with patience is just awesome and rare. loved your random tips and thoughts.

Glad you like the thread. Haven't updated in a while with any new stuff, usually do when it pops into my head...been slacking I guess.

[SOL!D5NAK3]

i really want to compete in the near future maybe in a year or two, of course not in bodybuilding division cuz of health wise money wise and everything else wise. i really like physique division but yet in my country (iran) there was no show in this particular division until just now.

-do you think physique guys also run test year around or maybe 3-4 cycles(not just test of course) per year + contest preps would be enough ?
-is GH a must for physique athletes?